Unfortunately too far away for our space exploration capabilities, assuming we had FTL we could easily make the travel.
If not, assuming we could at least slow down the aging process, we already have machines that can self-feed/water us and exercise our bodies without moving. We'd just have to make it wait.
Given 3 times as much time as Earth has had, who's to say an alien race hasn't already followed these steps?
The 1976 Tehran UFO incident is a fairly interesting case to discuss, primarily because of the reputable evidence for a physical presence that was very well documented.
This is the only real case with evidence worth considering that I can really think of at the moment.
Video for the lazy, but jesus christ its cheesy.
You have calculated the size of Earth compared to the universe in one dimension. I can do that too in an instant:
(Diameter of Earth) / (Diameter of the observable Universe)
13 000 km / 93 billion ly
(12 * 10^6) m / (8.8 * 10^26) m
1.36 * 10^-18 % or 0.000000000000000000136 %
Which tells us absolutely nothing of importance.
And Drake's Equation is still useless since we don't know all the variables (we can't even estimate some).
And they don't have to be humanoid like everyone expects.
It could be some fucked up race of cactus monsters
Why I say it does, because if we make up such a small proportion of the universe it's nigh impossible another sentient race exists.
I still don't get why you say the Drake's Equation doesn't work. There is only one variable that varies in that equation, the rest is estimated based on rather recent tests as per my sources.
What variables don't we know?
We can estimate the number of stars decently.
If you want to stretch it, we can estimate the number of planets aswell.
And then it becomes very uncertain to the point where you pretty much have to take a shot in the dark. For the other five variables.
I swear WitheredGryphon, if you handed me your post in real life I'd probably rip it in half and throw it in the bin.
There's no proof. If there was, we wouldn't be having this discussion. Let's say that Drake's Equation is completely 100% accurate. There's still no proof. We could be in the 0.00000000000000000000000000001% (or any other garbage figure) of universes without life besides Earth.
I personally think that the only real "evidence" (proof means that it is 100% certain) for the evidence of Aliens is the ancient "holy texts". This is pretty weak evidence, but imo it is the most likely.
There is also the chance that the amount of sightings of et increased after TV & Radio etc was due to the radio signals we were broadcasting over space, which some aliens have picked up and possibly mabye slightly decided to come here
also the other day i saw this weird consistent pattern in the sky that looked like two triangle corners with one above the other. I was real curious because the cloud changed shapes but the triangular outline on the right side of it stayed solid.
So by that logic one could argue that the various gods are real?
People write crazy things, and if they sound crazy they most likely are. Maybe one day people will think our comic books were real.
But how is that evidence at all? There's no link between holy text and aliens.
really? Lots of the miracles they cite might be explained by technology, again I'm saying it isnt a very big change
the best example I can think of is when isolated tribes have been contacted with far more technologically advanced people, eg I remember hearing about a tribe who saw a bunch of fair skinned people, who when they wanted food would build a big strange altar in a clearing and a metal bird would shine down lightning and food would appear (this was the expedition going from south america to north, with the tribe refering to the radio tower they would set up to get supplies)
You're taking an awfully big link in going from 'book' to 'the events really happened, aliens'
Yes, I am. Its a better explanation then an almightly super natural being sent down his magical super son to magically kill himself so the world was better, but probably slightly worse than some dude(s) made it up to get rich/etc.., atleast until we have more evidence to prove of disprove it. At this point, we are basically clutching at invisible straws
This subject became so boring after all this time searching for answers...
Personally I reckon aliens definetely exist, but are likely too far away for us to even hope to make contact with them.
The problem is that there is very little evidence for either side if this debate, so right now it's just a matter of opinions or beliefs
ALIENS: Real, but not here, all the sightings are bullshit, it's just like the Loch Ness stuff. Who knows, there could be an alien civilization just a few star systems away, or the nearest one could be all the way in Andromeda! Nobody knows.
If I throw something up in the air and it comes back down, that's evidence of gravity. It's not proof. It could also be evidence of the world being flat.
Proof is information that verifies a claim as true. Evidence is used to build the claim and support the proof.
Ok thanks. In my native language we typically use one word for both meanings.
Also, most sightings are most likely bullshit and the ones that look to be real (such as 1976 Tehran Incident) are most likely just something related to nature we cant explain, I highly doubt that Aliens are going to be all shadowy for no reason at all.
Rad, please don't start with your government is hiding it again, thank you.
I don't get why "the government hides them" is such a popular theory. I mean, why would they? What would be the point of hiding all the aliens and their technology from the world?
1) Monopoly on technology with unknown potential. You want to keep the true potential powers of this technology to yourself. It is a technology that could change the world we know, maybe even be used as a weapon far greater than any nuclear head, maybe even destroy our planet. Spilling your guts about having this potential is the kind of thing that could start another World War. Develop and use this technology yourself. Keep your mouth shut until you really know what you're dealing with here.
2) Alien visitors would be proof of other beings out there more powerful than humans. This would severely damage the image of power the governments around the world have. The people who rule countries want nothing more than the status quo. They like it because it's how they maintain their power. It's very stupid to risk everything by disclosing such a huge thing. Who knows what the results would be. Would society collapse? Would there be revolutions? Or would nothing happen at all?? The point is that it's an unnecessary risk. You have nothing to gain from telling everybody!
3) More extreme reasons could even be that it's part of a deal from the aliens. They agree with exchanging technology and information, but they don't want the human society to know. Just like any other military operation. Maybe they're very hostile, planning to attack Earth, and our government knows about it! Starting an uncontrolled mass panic is never a good idea - regardless of what government you believe in.
yes, but the amount of people involved would surely leak it somehow
not only that, but how would first contact be made?
Spaceship? instantly detected
Long range beam? lots of non-governmental telescopes could easily pick that up
The only real way this would be under wraps is if the aliens invited us to make first contact
"If the government hid aliens then surely there would be testimonies/leaks"
"But there are!"
"They're nutcases. They are full of bullshit. Because there is no proof of aliens."
"It's a conspiracy."
"But then there would be leaks!!"
and so forth...
But I don't really understand the question. Why is first contact an issue?
I believe that life does exist elsewhere. While the development of life needs extremely precise conditions, the amount of stars and planets in the universe make the possibility of life greater.
See, earth is a very rare planet to our knowledge, which has a perfect distance from the sun to keep it at a temperature perfect for life as we know it to allow water to be a liquid and other elements to be at a state capable of sustaining life. However, I'm not sure if the first cell was developed on earth, or floated in from elsewhere, but creating a cell would involve random atoms and molecules forming by chance to bond into what we call a cell.
So we need, a perfect planet with a good, stable temperature with an abundance of the necessary elements to support life. We also need those random atoms and molecules to bind and form a cell capable of duplicating and sustaining itself. For all we know, earth could be the only planet in the universe where atoms have bonded to form a cell.
That being said, Many people assume that life elsewhere in the universe has to be carbon based much like ourselves, but other forms of life could be completely different from us with completely different elements needed. This means that different planet conditions, elements, temperature could be needed to sustain life and they don't need that "perfect" planet like earth to survive.
Tl;DR, Life is extremely rare but with the massive amount of planets and stars in the universe, it is quite likely that life does exist elsewhere in the universe.
This stuff fucking blows my mind.