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Corporal punishment is the use of physical force as punishment, often used as a form of discipline. Historically, tools such as canes were often used on children, but in recent times it has only become accepted to use ones hands for providing corporal punishment to children. In very recent times corporal punishment has been viewed as ethically unacceptable, and people who do so are shunned by society. But where do you stand on the issue?
I myself support corporal punishment, but only when it is done so just enough force is done to justify the discipline, not something like full on punching a kid in the face or throwing them around like a ragdoll. Something I find acceptable would be a slap to either the backside or the cheek. I myself have had much experience with corporal punishment. As a kid I was well behaved (which my parents affirm) but this was because my dad used corporal punishment on me when I did something silly. I remember one time I completely disrespected my dad (me being silly of course) which led to a slap to my backside, and I was off for much of the day crying in my room and regretting what I had done.
Recently, my dad remarried to someone else and they had kids. My half-brother from this has always been a trouble maker. My dad will rarely use corporal punishment any more, which causes the kid to be rather disruptive and just disrespectful. He can run around the house and call my step mum an idiot, and all she will do is send him to the "naughty corner" of his room for five minutes. Does it stop him from being disruptive? No. He thinks it's a joke and keeps on doing it. One time he was playing with my door opening and closing is repeatedly, and I finally got fed up with him and deliberately (but lightly) closed the door on his fingers. Sure, I got abuse from my step mother for causing pain to the kid, but the kid doesn't play with my door anymore. I believe by using corporal punishment, it sends a clear message to the child to not do something that is unacceptable. Using something such as the "naughty corner" barely works because it doesn't enforce what should be acceptable and what isn't. It's just a minor delay for the child, and he or she is typically too young to understand the point of the "naughty corner".
So where do you stand on the issue?
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While I disagree with corporal punishment, I agree that a lot of punishment methods are kinda pointless and don't really work. I have never understood exclusion or isolation in school, why would sending a kid who doesn't want to be in school home be a punishment for them?
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Jesus christ.. you do not hurt children. You don't fucking do it.
It's not even needed.
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Let's say that corporal punishment is actually proven to work better than alternatives due to some study or something, would you still think the same way?
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Yes. Definitely.
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1k+ yrs ago loving children was normal and even encouraged in some cultures. Our current culture finds it horrible, that's why people in the current culture find it horrible.
October 2011
5,902 PostsIt causes pain, do you think causing pain is a good way to punish someone? Shall we start torturing prisoners too?
I don't know what a kid has to do to warrant being slapped on cheek/ass or god forbid, being hit.
Sure it might help for some who accept pain as bad.
But what about people who accept pain as hate? If anything, they will grow up into worse people.
If you can't educate your kid with love, maybe you don't love them enough?
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I'm sure if someone educated their kid with love, there would be no need for punishment at all at any point in time.
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Violance is not the answer, but when a parent can't discipline their child, they've failed.
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Agreed.
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All forms of Corporal punishment is banned in my country, its better like that because then it becomes impossible for defendants to argue reasonable force.
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Didn't that law get repealed last year or something? I can't remember for sure.
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I don't think it did, I think some people tried but failed to have it repealed though.
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1k+ yrs ago loving children was normal and even encouraged in some cultures. Our current culture finds it horrible, that's why people in the current culture find it horrible.
October 2011
5,902 PostsThe problem I see is that the current society doesn't leave parents enough time to love. You work all day and then come home tired as shit, angry at your boss and frustrated. In that scenario educating a kid by just hitting him/her is much faster and easier. It fixes the temporary problem and it all seems good.
As I said, it works on some kids, while on some it only causes fear and anger in them, which if continued at some point will be released and someone might get hurt.
By hitting your child you are teaching him that violence is ok if you justify it.
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Agreed.
In my opinion, you fit the description of a bully if you hit your kids.
It's generally known that bullies 'exercise power inappropriately over the victim', which is exactly what you're doing to your child. You are hitting him and he has no means of fighting back, if he were a 25 y ear old, rather than a 6 year old, I think your tune will change when you think about hitting him.
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Are you serious?
Kids, especially little kids, are always, always getting into trouble, and no matter how much you 'educate them with love' that isn't going to change.
You can only reason so much with a kid and it gets to the point that punishment in some form is all that's left.
Do you even have a little brother or a son or something so that you would actually have an idea of what it's like to be a Dad?
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1k+ yrs ago loving children was normal and even encouraged in some cultures. Our current culture finds it horrible, that's why people in the current culture find it horrible.
October 2011
5,902 PostsSo instead you decide to hit your kid? If it wasn't your kid, that would count as an assault and would land you a fine or even jail time.
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I didn't say hitting your kid was alright, I said that punishment in some form is necessary at some point in time.
Also, not every parent hits their kid because they're a lazy asshole. Some just don't know what to do because they don't know how to be a parent, some are panicking because their kid did something really stupid and dangerous. Some of them were raised that way and they just see it as normal. There's more to it than "Eh, well, I could lecture him, but I think I'll just slap his shit."
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My parents didn't hit me and I turned out perfectly fine, are you implying that to have a good upbringing and discipline your parents have to hit you?
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What the fuck why are you guys interpreting punishment as hitting
grounding, things being taken away, shit like that is what I'm talking about
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1k+ yrs ago loving children was normal and even encouraged in some cultures. Our current culture finds it horrible, that's why people in the current culture find it horrible.
October 2011
5,902 PostsI don't mind punishment such as removal of rights like games or tv or going to bed early. That's perfectly fine.
And hitting kids because you were raised like that is a terrible excuse, what if someone was raised in a way that taught killing your kids was ok if they did something really bad?
Hence why violence against kids should stop, so they don't get raised in a way that teaches hitting someone is ok.
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Hitting kids because you were raised like that isn't some awful made up excuse, think about it. In my family, it's normal for us to just leave shoes lying around, and in other families that's wrong. I've been raised so that I think it's normal, and it's hard for me to see why it's wrong. These people don't have a second thought about it because they've literally been raised in a way that they can't see something wrong with it. That doesn't justify hitting their kid, before you say that I'm implying it does, but I'm just saying there's more to it than just being a one dimensional asshole.
They aren't all bad people, some of them are, but some just need psychological help.
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Probably going to be regarded as an idiot for saying this, but
To me, it depends how you do it. Something like a spanking is fine. Don't ever use an object, or do it hard enough to leave marks. Just enough to say, "Hey, cut that shit out." And never too often.
But if you happen to be a bad ass motherfucker like my dad, all you have to do is give your kid "the look."
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I could count on one hand how many times I've been spanked in my life. I'm safe to say, I deserved those, though.
It was never anything serious, or actually hurting. Just that, a spanking, usually when I did something life-threateningly stupid and so, and I'll probably do the same when I have my own kids.
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1k+ yrs ago loving children was normal and even encouraged in some cultures. Our current culture finds it horrible, that's why people in the current culture find it horrible.
October 2011
5,902 PostsActually it is a really poor excuse. Many people don't see anything wrong with killing other people, does that make it acceptable? Having a messy room or shoes all over the place doesn't hurt anyone's psyche.
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This is a good point. Hitting children is basically torture. Why do we consider hitting adults bad, yet hitting children is okay?
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No dude fuck listen
I'm not saying it makes these things acceptable, I'm saying that there's reasons for it beyond just being a jackass, and we shouldn't treat them like the devil for what they were raised to believe in, but instead help them with their obvious psychological problems.
I've said that clear as day like three times now can you not fucking read or are you just skimming my posts?
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I've never actually gotten the whole, 'the parents have failed!' when it comes down to means of punishment when a child acts up. It's sorta feels off to state the parent has failed, and not exactly offer any form of advise aside from 'Care and Love <3' when the reason most children act up is simply from being able to take the mile over their parents.
Personally, I've been slapped on my wrist once. That one time was when I was in kindergarten, and the whole thing revolved around someone bullying/punching a friend of mine, and my reaction was to break the kids nose by slinging my backpack at him. If it means anything... The only reason I did that was because I grew up learning that you should help/protect those that are in need. Especially, friends and family. The whole slap on the wrist was a small tap if anything, and my dad still feels guilt for it because he thinks it set a bad example that I shouldn't protect myself or others.
Also... I've heard quiet a few times that grounding is a much better manner of disciplining a child, and from simply talking too others... I've heard time and time again that all it did was make the child have distaste for their parent.
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Okay, I'm going to ask this. When was corporal punishment banned in households? Starting from 1979 in Sweden. When did chavs come about? Several decades ago, granted, but have become much more prominent since about 2 decades ago. Why? Because no one disciplines their children any more.
I look around these days and I see 10 year olds smoking fags on the street corner and talking smack about shit and rap and jesus fuck, I mean, I've seen some really young girls talking about sex and stuff.
Fucking hell, when we were 10, we played Lego and talked about Barbies, and Power Rangers.
I just know someone's going to say that each generation thinks the next generation is worse but seriously, you honestly can't say this generation isn't the dumbest slice of humanity since records began.
Edited:
A child punches another in the arm.
You: "OH MY GOD, SOMEONE CALL THE POLICE, THAT CHILD IS TORTURING HIM."
This is your logic.
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1k+ yrs ago loving children was normal and even encouraged in some cultures. Our current culture finds it horrible, that's why people in the current culture find it horrible.
October 2011
5,902 PostsIf you hit children you are a jackass, no matter you got taught that or not. Getting help? Sure, you need that.
Doing something bad when you think it's good does not suddenly make you not a jackass.
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Fancy way to look at this for anyone who's for corporal punishment against children:
If you hit your neighbour, it's assault/battery.
If you hit your child, who is much younger, it's just parenting?
See the issue?
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I didn't realize we were just going to start ignoring psychology and common sense now
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If a guy went through a scarring event as a kid, and this somehow caused him to piss his pants in public uncontrollably, is he a jackass?
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So if I playfully punch my neighbour at a party, that's assault? What even constitutes hitting?
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Playfully implies consent, if you punch someone who isn't okay with it you're assaulting them. Even spitting on someone is assault.
And hitting is any forcible contact
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1k+ yrs ago loving children was normal and even encouraged in some cultures. Our current culture finds it horrible, that's why people in the current culture find it horrible.
October 2011
5,902 PostsUmm no? Since when is pissing your pants in public considered to be a jackass thing to do?
What the fuck are you even talking about.
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I just think that if you're on the subway and you just start pissing and everyone has to smell it and it gets on some guys shoes you're a jackass but maybe that's just me
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That's assault.
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why?
it is needed in our schools, current punishment methods dont work at all
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Why are independant schools more disciplined than state schools?
Because the teachers have brains and don't always use shouting as a method to punish. Go whack your own kids, don't tell other people to whack mine.
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Instead of smacking the kid, take away their Xbox for a day.
It just works better.
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Smacking your kids is fine if you do it in moderation obviously. Sometimes when a small child does something like running across a road where cars could run them over they need something like the shock of a slap to get them to understand they have done something wrong.
