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I'm not referring to the freemasons.
I'm referring to illuminati members.
Freemasons aren't a secret society either, for most masons, if you ask them if they are a part of it they don't mind saying so.
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You wanna know the real reason we see so many pyramids as symbols and so many pictures of the Eye of Horus? Remember the roman empire and how it supposedly collapsed? Guess what, it didn't. It just ceased to be a state and became a religious institution. It still had massive amounts of authority over the kings and tyrants all throughout the middle ages and still has a large amount of power. The same thing happened with the Egyptian empire, except it continued on as very secretive cults instead of a religious institution out in the open. The cooperation between Egypt and Rome didn't end when Rome became christian, it just went underground, and as Rome still has power as the catholic church so too does Egypt still have power through secret societies, and they communicate to each other not through spoken or written word but through symbols as they did through out their empire with hieroglyphics and structures. If you look at architecture, carvings and paintings in the Vatican you can see the All Seeing Eye of Horus everywhere, even behind the pope's throne (which also has an upside down cross on it lol)
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weird isnt it?
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the upside down cross is a Christian symbol... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross_of_St._Peter
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If i was part of a secret world government, i would love to fuck with people and leave silly symbols.
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I think the Illuminati does exist.
I just like hearing about stuff like V.F.D. and so on.
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well there's still a lot of weird stuff about the layout, architecture, sculptures and paintings in the Vatican as well as many other major cities.
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Yes.
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Actually, a retard by the name of David Icke came up(or rather made up) with the idea that space lizards ruled the world from behind the scenes.
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You should write a book.
One million ignorant frothing Alex Jones fans would be all over that stuff like flies to horseshit.
Also submitting this to CSTDT.
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yes they are in 2012 (yeah i know TEH ENDZ OF TEH WERLDZ but here me out please) they will launch the new world order when basiclly all of our rights will be taken away and we will be forced to abide by their rules and if not. you will aressted,sent to labor camps (yeah i know labor camps) and even worse, killed, there will be only one goverment, one language, and one currency, no freedom at all.
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Never heard of him, I believe you but the only place I've ever heard the space lizard theory from was Alex Jones and his zombie horde. Even if he did start that lie, the real problem are the scam artists who popularize and and make trillions.
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Oh please, here we go with the FEMA camps again. Check this out:
http://www.facepunch.com/content/234...the-NWO-Theory how has nobody here mentioned this thread yet?
We already have a thread on that idea and it pretty much disproved every word.
What I want to know is how can somebody be so paranoid or so brainwashed or so gullible or so retarded (no offense but I'd say you do have to be mentally retarded to believe in this) that they think any of this conspiracy/illuminati garbage makes sense?
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Why is it so hard for you to believe that an empire as great as the Egyptian empire that lasted LONGER than the time between now and when it supposedly collapsed isn't still going in some form or another? Its not like I'm saying alien lizards built the pyramids or the CIA is constantly reading everyone's mind.Actually, a retard by the name of David Icke came up(or rather made up) with the idea that space lizards ruled the world from behind the scenes.
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You should write a book.
One million ignorant frothing Alex Jones fans would be all over that stuff like flies to horseshit.
Also submitting this to CSTDT.
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Because that's kinda what happens with great empires, once you set the wheels turning for collapse and let them run for a couple centuries, it's kinda hard to just get them to stop after a few years. But they are sorta still going on, it's not like once the Roman Empire collapsed it simply disappeared, it was simply replaced because the alternatives were better.
It's arguable all the Egyptian symbols are because the Freemasons have supposed ties to the Knights Templar, which were heavily inspired by ancient Egyptian architecture (the order was founded, I believe, in Alexandria after all.)
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I do believe in secret societies. But I can understand people who don't.
It all seems so stupid with all this soul selling and symbolizing. People believing in this stuff is usually seen as idiots. Which is what I thought at first.
But we got all the video games, tv-shows, movies and such to keep us distracted from this to even give it a thought.
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Well the Vatican has been using those symbols for longer, I think the Knights Templar were sent over to recover some Jewish and Egyptian artifacts from the Temple of Solomon (or remnants of it) but I bet the Vatican had plenty of artifacts and knowledge left over from the Egyptian Empire, after all as I said before it was a semi-continuation of the Roman Empire, they even called the lands they ruled over the Holy Roman Empire. Imagine what would happen if people that weren't part of the hierarchy looked in the Vatican vaults and revealed the buried secrets of the city on seven hills.
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Yes the Knight templars were the first freemasons because they found something under a destroyed mosque, something that had to do with king soloman some people say they found the kabbalah but thats just a theory.
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The Holy Roman Empire was neither an empire, holy, or even remotely Roman, it was a confederation of German kingdoms. Besides with the exception of the Teutonic Order, most other Orders were roughly French or British.
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Who had the highest authority in that "empire"? There are many points when through threat of excommunication the pope was able to have a huge influence over kingdoms that weren't even part of the holy roman empire. It was the Catholic Church and the Catholic Church alone that was able to rally all of Europe together under one banner for the Crusades. If a populous believes (wrongfully mind you) that the pope has the ultimate authority of god, who are they going to follow when their king does something the supposed messenger of god doesn't like?
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no offence taken i guess i am a pretty guillable i belived it mostly because i hear WAY to many rumors about it and it justs sounds like something they would do sorry for being stupid on the matter
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Why? Because it's literally pages pulled from a bad science-fiction novel. That, and the drivel Alex Jones is famous for basically is.
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nah I don't think so
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@ thread
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I would be more worried about the secret organizations we don't know about.
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If they're running the world now they're doing a pretty shit job.
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It's there, and it's before our very own eyes.
The fact that there is even a shadow government, secretly purchasing assets and lands in foreign countries as well as in America gives you an idea. There is a select few that decides what the mass media will portray. (Includes news, printed media and you guessed it, the Internet in itself)
The very fact that when someone mentions something out of the ordinary, they are marked as crazy or idiots on that accord. Goodness forbid we do not have anymore rational thought or a means to question something anymore. Have you ever talked to someone lately about spirituality, enlightenment, out-of-body or otherwise concepts that have to do with being human? These topics are usually ignored in society today unfortunately.
A good read
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god this is so much unfathomable retardation based on speculation by larger retards whose claims are already baseless enough
dont kid yourself you arent enlightened moreso than anyone else and the burden of proof for huge world controlling secret societies is on you and wow guess what theres complete absence of evidence.
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spirituality is placebo
enlightenment is so vague why even bother trying to define it
oob is the largest placebo shit i have ever heard of dont start
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Just like to point out, the latin translation of "annuit cœptis" is completely wrong. "annuo" is to nod or approve, and "coeptum" is an undertaking. The phrase as a whole means "He approves the undertakings" which is nothing to do with announcements or conception. Whoever made this image has absolutely no understanding of Latin.Tell me the Illuminati's logo is coincidently on the 1 dollar bill:
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Conspiracy theories fail because they assume people in power are competent enough to carry out some secret plot and the vast majority of the evidence suggests otherwise.
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How are you so solid on your stance? It's not like you are omnipotent and see the bigger picture anyway. You are human, dirt and dust just like me.
I think it's healthy to have a standpoint of doubt when it comes to the world. If there is a possibility of absolute control, then it is safe to assume that someone will seek that power. If we go about our day being ignorant and just assume everything is ok, that would be the day that man kind suffers it's own downfall. As educated members of society, the ultimatum is to question and be curious
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Except that there isn't a possibility of absolute control? When has there ever been "absolute control"? Believe me, if there was some shadowy body controlling world events from the scenes, they sure as fuck wouldn't let anyone be able to discover it, and they wouldn't be managing it so poorly that nations' economies are collapsing.
From these point you could argue two false things:
1. That this shadowy body merely allows nations to go through periods of struggle to maintain the appearance that these nations are independent.
2. That they let nations fall so that they can take them in some world government plot.
Both are complete nonsense.
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They are not nonsense in terms of possibility. With the way the world is currently organized, common folk wouldn't be able to have a word in any of the actions of this shadow government. Don't tell me that we are able to fully grasp our surroundings and environment to the point we are able to commend great change? We are not capable of such feats in our own power as individuals.
Tell me, are you able to choose the "popular" culture and topics society deems necessary for progression? Who decides the economic fate of a particular country and how is it closely manipulated? Does everyone have an equal right to be able to be elected as passionate leaders of change? Are you free enough today to say that anyone who admires advancing and progressing in education able to achieve it? Who acquires the wealth and how is it generally acquired?
About your two points, each one is possible and cannot be justly dismissed without a inkling of values and ideals to question them. Perhaps it is within the said shadow governments interests to collapse a society or perhaps shape it into the image they wholeheartedly desire? I see it everyday in media and unfortunately see it changing the people around me. Don't tell me that the people around you are freely able to live their life and choose with their own will and ambition. Living in a country like the USA shows you how much less freedom you have to "live your dreams" when even to the very neighborhood street you use has been meticulously designed and calculated to present a more economical model for everyone. Cookie cutter houses and identical vehicles, social isolation and desolate urban landscape. It's right there in front of us and people are too ignorant to admit the truth
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but how does that relate to a secret satanist society and not just the power of corporate interest
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The question that everyone needs to ask here is "why?" Assuming there's no such thing as coincidences (it's impossible to believe in the illuminati otherwise), assuming despite all the evidence or rather the lack thereof, that all of this illuminati **** is real: WHY? If they do exist what's the point of it? I know I know the whole "martial law, FEMA camps, global government" bit but WHY? People claim they have these imaginary society's actions mapped out exactly for the next few decades but they never say WHY are they doing it. When it comes to something like this I believe in two things: "Innocent until proven guilty" -which they certainly haven't been- and "motive is the most damning evidence" -and they don't appear to have one. I may be wrong maybe there is a rumor for their motive but I've never heard it, if so please enlighten me. Seriously: IF THEY EXIST THEN WHY!? Also another thing I'd like to ask why is: why haven't they started killing off conspiracy theorists? If these people were real psychopaths like Alex Jones would've been shot years ago (I'm about ready to do it myself). These people claim they're such a big threat to this shadow government, they claim they could get whacked any day, why not?
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As there's always been, a lot of decisions and plans are formed behind the scenes. The world's most powerful people consolidate their power in an effort to either maintain or increase their overall power over others. It's just the logical thing to do. To assume otherwise would be foolish. But it's equally as foolish to assume there's groups of powerful men gathering together to seriously hold and believe in occult rituals.
What should be concerning us is who's interest they're working towards. Their own? Mankinds? From what can be seen of the general tone of policies passed around the world within the last five years it's a good bet that it's a scared and determined effort to control the populace and secure their power as subtly as possible.
It's kind of funny how obvious some of it is, for instance the effort to pit the rest of the world against Iran. The supposed terrorist attack by someone with little actual ties to Iran was directly blamed on the nation. The propagation of Iran's nuclear armament and staunch resistance to it despite the majority of developed nations possessing nuclear capabilities. Whatever the media is peddling heavily, chances are that's what they want you to think and feel about a certain subject. What the media's not covering or largely ignoring, that's to be forgotten. Media has always been the most powerful tool for controlling people, the Nazis knew this and used it very effectively.
It's the people that form their own opinions from the things they observe rather than just what they're presented that know what's really going on. Oskar Schindler for example saved 1,100 Jewish people during the holocaust because he saw what was really happening and acted upon it rather than simply ignoring it or going along with the rhetoric.
The fact that the occupy protests have gained such support from individuals without the help, and sometimes harm, from the media is a good sign we're not doomed to a brain dead society happily consuming all that's given to us without a second thought.
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Whenever I hear a conspiracy theorist mention the media I always have to ask: what "mainstream media" are you watching and are you sure you weren't drunk when you watched it? Where I live all the media talk of the riots has been propaganda in favor of them. The mainstream media is always the polar opposite of what the alternative media claims it is.
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I'm talking mainly about the big three networks being CNN, MSNBC, and FOX. Local stations and region specific networks talk a lot more about region specific things like the protests in certain cities, but the national news doesn't give it the weight and support it should. Kim Kardashian's failed marriage is more important than widespread protests for economic reform and it's more important for a reason.
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illuminati existed about 300 years ago but they weren't some devil worshiping group with millions of dollars into the government like people make them out to be. the modern equivalent would be the ordo templi orientis which is esentially the mormons of thelemism.
of course freemasons are still around and doing extremely well but that's more like a fraternity than a cult.
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and then there are the nutcases who claim to be the descendants of the original illuminati but those guys should all be locked up
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Even if such an organisation does exist, they A. haven't done fuck all or B. done a pretty good job so far in keeping the world under control.
Its possible but surely every world leader couldnt be under the influence of one group?
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they are not in control of the whole world just a small part of it
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which part
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I cant comprehend how people honestly suggest that an organization is controlling the world and then allowing an appearance of individual operation. People are so flawed that nothing can be secret for long and that no organization of that kind is possible. Really all the proposed arguments are baseless and horrible.
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"It sounds like something an eccentric who many people think is crazy would say or something out of a fictional novel so I'm not going to spend any thought on it and just dismiss it as crazy"
ever heard the term reality is stranger than fiction?
Not every world leader, but they've done a good job at taking care of that. So far America has taken down several of the few remaining countries that used to not have Rothschild controlled banks (Rothschilds are one of the key families) and the ones that still don't (Iran, North Korea and a few others) are either portrayed in our mainstream media *coughpropagandacough* as crazier than they actually are, as a failed state and THE MOST EVILEST PEOPLE EVER FOR HATING OUR ISRAELI FRIENDS (which btw is the most Rothschild controlled nation since it was basically founded by them) or is actually a legitimate failed state lead by a crazy person.
Seriously ever actually heard anything some of these other world leaders have actually said? A large number of these leaders appear to be a bunch of schizophrenics who for some reason think America is either an evil empire itself or just a tool for an evil group of elites who want to create a New World Order. How did these crazy conspiracy theorists even get into power?
America and Europe
the rest of the world they just have influence over.
Couldn't have said it better myself
