if a teleportation system where they rebuild a perfect clone of yourself existed, it'd be just like you, think like you, have your memories and for it, no time'd have passed, but it's not you. you'd have died, and you wouldn't even feel or know it (because hey youre dead)
the only person that'd care is yourself, because for everyone else for all intents and purposes it's the same person
What's to say that your heart would start beating again after being teleported? Even with defibrillators don't they still need there to be at least some sort of heart beat to?
If you have played Eve Online you would know the strange feeling of being cloned then destroyed. At the very start of the game the station AI says "Your previous body has been euthanised with no complications".
When I heard that I felt uneasy. It was a bad feeling playing as a clone of someone who had voluntarily died.
I think the only humane way of using a teleporter is to be concious at all times.
It might be useful for the transportation of inanimate objects, but I don't think its worth running the risk on living beings.
Teleporters as a concept is basically "instant cloning from a scan and disintegration of the original".
The "data" the teleporter would use to assemble you would not be your broken down body, it would be the scanned information telling the destination cloning machine how to create a perfect clone of you.
The clone would think it has been "teleported". It would remember standing at the other side of the scanner, and now it suddenly stands on the cloner. This person will act, look, talk, and feel like you, it will think it is you, and it will never know that the real him died on the other side. The person who goes in the scanner to be "teleported" dies, but nobody will know he is dead because a perfect clone was created of him.
Teleportation has already been done, not on humans but on sub atomic particles, but it would take a few times the age of the universe to teleport a human at the moment using current technology. Knowing how fast technology progresses, we should be able to do it in the future but I doubt it will happen in my lifetime.
I think that anything is possible, We just need to find a way to do it.
This thread made me rethink my idea about teleportation.
...I think I'll take a plane, or a spaceship.
What if instead of breaking you apart and reconstructing you, the "Teleporter" moves your atoms through space and around other particles. So it stretches you out as if the calcium in your bones moves around the oxygen atoms.
Just like the other thread that asks if an exact copy of you is create while you are killed, are you actually dead?
And I think that if you were to be killed and reconstructed in a different spot, you can be considered dead, and the new replica will be a different entity in your image. Everything will seem the same, but you will take consciousness in an otherwise different body.
If you go to a religious sense, it is not possible due to your spirit supposedly leaving your body after death. Meaning, being reconstructed is not possible as a spiritual trip is needed from "birth" (In some cases) and if you cannot achieve that as you have skipped that stage, you are dead spiritually and therefore, cannot live in the new body.
So theoretically speaking, it is possible to an extent in my opinion.
Humanity doesn't have the knowledge to this question. It comes in two parts:
a) If you are disassembled and recreated, will you still function in the same way?
b) Is the transfer technology actually possible?
To A I would say yes, we are simply machines and with sufficient understanding of ourselves we will discover this to be true. To B I would also say yes, because if it isn't that is most disappointing and we will also never have interstellar travel.
I figure beaming/transporting technology in the future will be similar to what we have now. Actually, you could say that it already exists. Think of the internet, it is constantly transporting massive amounts of data across the world. Or maybe think about satellites. "Light" waves are beaming to and from them to give us internet, communications, or television shows.
Transporting something with actual substance may be possible in the future when we figure out how to, say, turn a solid rock into raw data in 1 location, and rebuild it using that same data in another location.
Teleportation is possible. It exists. It happens on atomic levels.
Naturally it becomes much more difficult the more complex the molecule is.
The laws of physics even allow the teleporting of an entire human being but
we probably won't be able to do that for a long time.
1 g lets say Carbon roughly contains 10^22 atoms. Every atom contains the data 3 coordinates (position) and 3 angles (orientation). Every single atom has 6 protons and 6 neutrons which also have a certain alignment and position. Then same for the 12 electrons. Now we just forgot about the quantum numbers (QN) which are main QN n, angular momentum QN l, spin s (just to keep it simple, so we wont take the magnetic m_l/m_j quantum numbers or mixtures of l and s to j) for the electrons. Similar (to keep it simple) accounts for the protons and neutrons.
Lets say, every of those numbers needs 1 byte (which is far too less for the required precision but it's just an example). Then every atom needs 6*(12+12+1) + 3*(12+12) = 222 bytes.
So one gram needs 2*10^24 bytes = 2 yotta bytes "disk space".
Lets now transform this number into something you might be more familiar with. 2,220,000,000,000 Tera Bytes.
Now lets assume you want to transport this via light. The data can only be sent with a lower rate than the frequency used for transport. For light, we have around 100 Tera Hertz. Modulation of the light (to imprint the data) must be lower than the carrier frequency (100 Tera Hertz) so lets say 50 THz. So you can send 50 TBit/s = 6.25 TByte/s.
Lets assume you can do this on two perpendicular polarisations of the light and do this via frequency and amplitude modulation -> You gain a factor of 4: 25 TByte/s. Lets say, we use 10000 Channels simultaneously: 250,000 TByte/s.
This would mean, for 1 g of data transported by light at the physical limits (which we are not able yet to reach technically) we need 8,800,000 seconds = 0,2829 years. This was just for transporting the data at physical limits with enormous channel parallelization.
Now there is still the question how to read out the data non destructively and beat the quantum uncertainty limitiations...
From a physics point of view molecular transport of this form would ONLY work if the object is inanimate. The reason for this is simple. A glass of water for example does not move, if you took a picture of it, then took a second picture of it an hour later the glass and the water inside would still be the same (assuming none of the water evaporated). For matter transportation to work the device would have to save the state of the object it was deconstructing. For an inanimate object this would be easy since the molecular structure could be analyzed then duplicated. However we humans, and all living things for that matter are in a constant state of flux. Right now as you are reading this blood is pumping throughout your body, you're eyes are rapidly blinking, your body is in constant motion. For this to work the machine that is deconstructing us would have to take every differential part of us and make note of the rate of change. If even one changing thing in our body is not reproduce on the exact scale it was before then the whole thing falls apart and the person dies upon reconstruction.
I am willing to bet that someday we will be able to scan the molecular structure of an inanimate object in 3D and be able to convert it directly to energy then reassemble it. But as for moving things, its not as likely. As for the comments on the "soul" that has nothing to do with it. There are constant electrical impulses in your brain that cause your behavior. Neural networks are already beginning to be understand, "consciousness" is is more of a series of electrical impulses and can be reproduced. Even things like memories are encoded in electrical signals much like a computer. As we approach the age of quantum computers we will be able to manipulate more of human memory and experience.
*Looks at thread content*
*See's no math or science*
You're a bunch of idea guys. Keep speculating with your pseudo-science.
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Why are you making threads out of things that aren't a matter of opinions. Our current science does not know whether it's possible. There's nothing to debate of.
As far as I know current "laws" of quantium mechanics don't allow beaming. It has to do with the fact that you cannot measure a particles state without manipulating it. And to "beam" you need to measure the particle first. I don't really remember that much so maybe someone wiser can correct me.
So, plausible? Yes. Practical? No. Will we see them before our sun explodes? probably not.
what, in 5,000,000,000 years we will not have engineered some way to make perfect clones of ourselves?
(~5 billion years is the remaining lifetime of our sun)
The world is heading towards a paragram shift anyway, kinda like what reedbo is saying. Our current theories are a patchwork mess and we need someone like Copernicus to see the obvious.
I would only step through a wormhole or tear in space, not get recreated through a teleporter. As my current being is destroyed.
I think as the first electrical impulse you ever had in the womb is you, and it developed from there to where you are now. When you are torn apart and stored into information it disrupts that original electrical impulse from birth,
and recreates it it on the other side. But it will not be perfect. It will be a different impulse and the original is gone, killing the original and the original ceases to be.
Anyway just an interesting thought, on what seems impossible