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    [h2]What is Men's Rights Activism?[/h2]
    Good question! Because unless you lurk the far corners of the internet, you have probably never heard of a men's rights activist before. And there's a very good reason for this: the internet (and society as a whole) is rather man-dominated. It's an unfortunate fact of life. Us, as men, aren't held to the same standards of beauty and modesty that women are. We don't have to put up with words like slut, whore, and skank used in everyday common vernacular. And to top it all off, we're over-represented in government and we get paid more for the same work despite being a smaller group by a percentage point or so. So where does men's rights activism come in? Surely, as the supposedly "dominant" sex, organizations dedicated to fighting against the oppression of men would be far and few between, despite a few hundred extremists here and there.

    Well it turns out, they're not. They're common. And some of the things they say is fuckin' scary.

    [h2]Who are these people and what are they fighting for exactly?[/h2]
    Many (but not all!) of the quotes and examples we'll be looking at today will be courtesy of r/mensrights on reddit. Whenever you want to read the stupidest bullshit spewed by humans, reddit is your one-stop shop. For a supposedly liberal website, it's a great place to get all the racism, homophobia, and misogyny you need to ring in the new year. Of course, this won't be my only source because that would be biased and silly for a scientific thread such as this.

    Men's rights activists are people who believe that men are currently disadvantaged in society. And as they say on reddit, because of this they've been earning scorn from "bigoted feminists" and "white knights" since 2008 - because not understanding what the word feminist means is one of the main focuses of MRA. (As is blindness)

    Let's look at some of their warped logic regarding why us poor men are so victimized by the feminazis: (all links found on the r/mensrights FAQ, so you can be sure that it's all relevant)

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    [TD]The United Nations has a GENDER AGENDA.
    Men have higher suicide rates, more men die in war, and this is all a UN conspiracy by the feminists. Hey, they're the professionals here. Thanks to a blog called Angry Harry for this nugget of wisdom.

    Women secretly use CODE SPEAK to confuse us.
    This is probably the most terrifying one of all. Here is a list compiled by the experts that definitively proves feminists are actively conspiring against men.

    They are cutting off our foreskins!
    MRAs believe that male circumcision is a direct result of feminism. For some reason.

    They've rigged the elections!
    Because there are more of them.[/TD]
    [TD]They are converting us all into MANGINAS.
    Yes, that's right. Manginas. Some men are kind to women. This is because women release toxic spores that trick us into becoming their servants. (It didn't actually say this but it may as well have)

    They are putting pesticides in our food to make us INFERTILE.
    It's true, pesticides can do this. According to MRAs, however, it's just another piece of the feminist male genocide puzzle. No, really. This was in their FAQ as an example of oppression.

    The women have even infiltrated the UNIVERSITIES.
    That's what women's studies is. Indoctrination. This book on Amazon will blow the whole thing wide open. (Please don't buy it)[/TD]
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    [h2]Make it stop! Make it stop![/h2]
    No. Now we're going to look at some of their quotes:

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    Society controls and exploits men by limiting their access to sexual pleasure. Society used to control and exploit women by limiting their access to significant wealth. Women have been freed from traditional exploitation, men have not.
    Being an ugly girl is like being a man. You're going to have to work.
    Just keep giving men more of a reason not to get married.
    If the baby isn't yours, you'll have to choose between being cuckolded into raising a bastard, or giving her your money and your real kids.
    Just fuck marriage. What sane man would agree to such an arrangement now a days with these risks?
    As a man its not a good idea to support a woman; apparently she has many ways of demanding it from you once you start.
    You become indentured for doing a service, which is slavery... Along with being forced in a relationship.
    Women want to take full advantage of their prime years (18-32) while they can. That's fine, except that around 35 when they start getting desperate - they expect men to suddenly line up and promise to provide for her and children the rest of her life. Meanwhile men, who have seen what happens with custody battles - basically say "hell no. If I'm going to be treated like shit by women, it's at least going to be by a young attractive one, and without a contract that helps them do so." or just write the whole thing off entirely. Being single isn't so bad.
    Plumbers are at least useful. Women's Studies majors, not so much.
    I will also note that rape hysteria spreading feminist have culpability here. Encouraging men to be part of the solution to an imagined "rape epidemic" causes white knights to do just what the feminists want -- with tragic results. Feminists will never wash the blood off of their hands, for the countless millions of lives they have destroyed.
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    • The median full-time salary for U.S. women is 77% of that of U.S. men.
    • Even when you take all factors into account (qualifications, etc) and you ignore the reason for discrepancy in those areas, 41% of the wage gap remains unexplained.
    • Women who work outside the home often put an extra 18 hours a week doing household or childcare related chores as opposed to men who average 12 minutes a day in childcare activities.
    • Female genital mutilation is far more damaging than male circumcision, despite what the MRAs want you to think.
    • Worldwide, men are more likely to be literate due to the inaccessibility of education for women in many third world nations. (88 women for every 100 men)
    • China's one child policy has resulted in 114 male children for every 100 female children. Many female children are killed or neglected and left to die.
    • In Canada, the poverty rates for women in general is 20%, for women of colour is 37% and for aboriginal women 43%.
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    [h2]Men's Rights Compendium of common words and why you shouldn't use them the way they use them:[/h2]
    Feminist - MRAs use "feminist" as a slur against anyone who disagrees with them. In reality, feminists are people who want equal rights for women. The word they're looking for is "misandrist", and I can't recall the last time I heard one on the internet.
    White Knight - Anyone who defends women on the internet gets called a White Knight by MRAs. It doesn't matter the reason you're defending them, either. There's no excuse to ever use this in this way because it makes you look like an idiot.
    Slut - MRAs would like you to believe that "slut" is not a misogynistic word. But when was the last time you heard it applied to a man? In fact, when was the last time you heard a man being shamed for having lots of sex?
    Equality - MRAs don't truly want equality. They take any attempt at equality as a personal attack on them. Surely you know how to use this word properly so the rest goes without saying.

    [h2]What have we learned today?[/h2]
    Nothing. You already knew the internet was horrible. Carry on. Oh, and Happy New Year's. Hope I didn't ruin it.

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    [h2]Post-Thread Fermentation Bonus Section: But I'm a guy and I don't have any advantages over women whatsoever![/h2]
    Yes you do. Remember though, saying you're privileged isn't an insult. It's only a reminder.
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  2. Post #2
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    Dennab
    November 2008
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    Oh god Zeke I love you even more because of this thread <3

    My favorite part of the MRAs is the bullshit evolutionary psychology like "WOMEN ARE IRRATIONAL AND EMOTIONAL, WHILE MEN ARE LOGICAL AND RATIONAL". Though I must say that how some of them seriously think that straight white males are an OPPRESSED MINORITY (yes you read that right) takes the cake.

    If you just need an insight into the mind of MRAs just check this best-of from their section on Reddit.com
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    Oh god Zeke I love you even more because of this thread <3

    My favorite part of the MRAs is the bullshit evolutionary psychology like "WOMEN ARE IRRATIONAL AND EMOTIONAL, WHILE MEN ARE LOGICAL AND RATIONAL"

    If you just need an insight into the mind of MRAs just check this best-of from their section on Reddit.com
    Absolutely, massive props to r/ShitRedditSays for making this all possible. They've banned mensrights posts for a little while since it's too easy to find stupidity, but they were the inspiration for this thread.

    What this guy linked to is mandatory reading so go do it now
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  4. Post #4
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    Zeke well done for exposing this relevant and important subcommunity and telling us of this terrible conspiracy

    also r/shitredditsays is the hardest PC circle jerk on the internet
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    omg zeke you browse SRS too??
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    Looking at that list of "FEMINIST CODE WORDS" I found this
    Male genital mutilation = "acceptable custom that protects women from
    STD"
    Wait, do they think that women are actively attempting to chop off their penis or something? Or are they trying to say that circumcision is mutilation, and that it somehow magically prevents STDs?

  7. Post #7
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    you forgot a section on spermjacking
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    Zeke is a feminist conspirator.
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    omg zeke you browse SRS too??
    I only post there and a couple subreddits now that I've realized the whole thing is a cesspool

    Edited:

    Zeke is a feminist conspirator.
    Obey the hivegyn
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  10. Post #10
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    yeah i discovered SRS a couple weeks ago and now i only read subreddits of the Fempire

    and EnoughPaulSpam

  11. Post #11
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    Can anyone explain what they find appealing about SRS? I don't understand; unless you are offended at what are likely jokes and things written under the guise of satire.
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    you forgot a section on spermjacking
    if I could make it a wiki

    I would

    Edited:

    Can anyone explain what they find appealing about SRS? I don't understand; unless you are offended at what are likely jokes and things written under the guise of satire.
    something said under the label of being "just a joke" isn't excused from being horrible
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    Holy shit, this is a beautiful OP.
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    Dennab
    November 2008
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    Can anyone explain what they find appealing about SRS? I don't understand; unless you are offended at what are likely jokes and things written under the guise of satire.
    allow me to copypaste something

    BUT IT'S JUST A JOKE! I'M NOT HURTING ANYONE!

    But yeah, you are. Sure, you're not hitting anyone, but you're helping to perpetuate the climate of discrimination. I'm going to guess you're male and white. The problem with the "It's just a joke!" defense is that you are part of the dominant group telling those with less power how they should respond, when they are telling you they are being hurt or uncomfortable with what you consider humor. It is easy for you to say it's just a joke or you don't mean it and are just kidding because you're not the target and don't have to live in a society where you're the target of discrimination every day.

    It just upholds the climate of demeaning and belittlement. So yeah, I'm sure you would never physically harm anyone, but you should consider that discrimination is more than just physical violence, especially when members of the group themselves repeatedly tell you that it significantly hurts their experience here.

    EDIT: I'll add, attitudes like yours also make it signficantly harder for minorities to speak up. No one wants to be "that guy/girl" who can't take a joke, and women, especially online, are already in a weaker position socially and so there is extra pressure to not say anything so you can fit in.

    However, you could say that the idea that some topics should be self-censored even in the name of satire is an untenable one. Once you start with rape jokes, where do you stop? No more jokes about being burned or cut, because someone tragically died in that manner. No jokes about theft, because someone knows someone who was seriously injured in a mugging. No more making jokes about high school cause someone had a bad experience, etc.

    But generally speaking, rape jokes are overwhelmingly made by men. Rape victims are overwhelmingly women.

    A culture where it's okay to make jokes about rape, and these victims just have to take it or be branded as killjoys, is very destructive. Obviously, a rape victim joking about rape is a different context, but in the greater scheme of rape jokes, that is a small minority
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    Great 2012 post. I actually applaud you, Zeke.
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    hey isn't that second quote from daniel tosh
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    Can anyone explain what they find appealing about SRS? I don't understand; unless you are offended at what are likely jokes and things written under the guise of satire.
    lmao 90% of the shit posted there aren't jokes.

    and being a "joke" is no excuse for posting horrible shit

    Edited:

    http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSBusiness/...ynistic_jokes/
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    allow me to copypaste something
    also, it's just a joke! like on top gear!

    Edited:

    hey isn't that second quote from daniel tosh
    good eye ;)
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  19. Post #19
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    I didn't know people like this even existed. It's almost like they hate women solely for being women. Do they ever love anyone? How can you love something you hate?
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    http://www.reddit.com/r/SRSBusiness/...ynistic_jokes/

    some collected reading material about the harm that can be caused by "jokes"
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    good eye ;)
    eagle with lasic
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  22. Post #22
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    What this guy linked to is mandatory reading so go do it now
    what no

    they scare me
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    what no

    they scare me
    it will be on the test

  24. Post #24
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    I got like a few "cited" statements down before sirens went off in my head going DOUCHEBAG DOUCHEBAG DOUCHEBAG
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    starpluck's gonna be mad about your quote with him

  26. Post #26
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    starpluck's gonna be mad about your quote with him
    It was quoted verbatim, if you don't want a facepunch post quoted on facepunch don't make it in the first place
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    zeke have my babies

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    oh god don't quote me on that
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    Men obviously aren't oppressed, but there are equality issues on both sides (more on women ofc). Courts are horribly biased towarda the mother in parenting disputes for example.
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    Men obviously aren't oppressed, but there are equality issues on both sides (more on women ofc). Courts are horribly biased towarda the mother in parenting disputes for example.
    Before the 1970s you would be absolutely right - "custody battles" never really happened and the child's father was only expected to be a weekend dad with majority custody going to the mother.
    Joint custody is much more common today.

    Part of the remaining discrepancy can be linked to the expectation that women are to be the nurturer and homemaker while the father is expected to be the "breadwinner".
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    i cant wait till some anally anguished MRA poster sees this thread
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    Zeke is obviously a feminist plant charged with taking down all that is right with society

    Edited:

    BIOTRUTHS!!1
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  32. Post #32
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    Why did you go and make a thread that looks like my least favourite thing to read, a way too big newspaper.

    Otherwise good read
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    eliminate gender bias by neutralising social roles and perceptions
    ~peace~
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    Absolutely, massive props to r/ShitRedditSays for making this all possible. They've banned mensrights posts for a little while since it's too easy to find stupidity, but they were the inspiration for this thread.

    What this guy linked to is mandatory reading so go do it now
    The SomethingAwful Reddit thread is particularly good at showing a cutaway of the internet, through reddit, as being often mysogynistic and unironically offensive

    http://forums.somethingawful.com/sho...readid=3419416

    it's good light-hearted reading for when you want to lose all faith in humanity

  35. Post #35
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    Why did you go and make a thread that looks like my least favourite thing to read, a way too big newspaper.
    further oppression
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  36. Post #36
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    March 2006
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    Part of the remaining discrepancy can be linked to the expectation that women are to be the nurturer and homemaker while the father is expected to be the "breadwinner".
    just one example of the way the patriarchy can hurt men as well as women

  37. Post #37
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    Men obviously aren't oppressed, but there are equality issues on both sides (more on women ofc). Courts are horribly biased towarda the mother in parenting disputes for example.
    Men are oppressed, women are just oppressed more
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  38. Post #38
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    Men are oppressed, women are just oppressed more
    "oppressed" means unjust exercise of authority against yourself or your group

    this statement would really only make sense if there was a third party oppressing both men and women, but oppressing women to a greater degree
    (Let's not semantically argue about how the gender binary doesn't exist and that there aren't really two genders so everyone is oppressing everyone)
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    THIS is properly used tables. They scale with width of window properly, and look pretty neat.
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    "oppressed" means unjust exercise of authority against yourself or your group

    this statement would really only make sense if there was a third party oppressing both men and women, but oppressing women to a greater degree
    (Let's not semantically argue about how the gender binary doesn't exist and that there aren't really two genders so everyone is oppressing everyone)
    Can't men be oppressed by other men, and women by other women? (I should add in a gender based way)

    And yeah the concept of gender is bullshit anyway but that's another argument