1. Post #1
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    January 2011
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    About HostingBlast
    HostingBlast wants to give you the best performance as cheap as possible.
    We make our prices low for our services to be affordable for everyone. Our servers are located in the Netherlands on a full gigabit cloud network.

    Virtual Machines
    We have opened a service that is cheap and has a gigabit connection for their users at all times. No catches or bullshit.

    VM Hosting (NL based)

    512MB ram
    20GB Disk
    1 CPU core
    10TB bandwidth @ 1gbit
    1 IP

    Order

    2024MB ram
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    4048MB ram
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    http://d-sql.mco.im/100mb.test

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  2. Post #2
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    April 2011
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    What's changed since then?

    Edited:

    Most of us are pretty loyal to FanaticalVPS and/or HexxehVPS. How would you change our minds?
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  3. Post #3
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    May 2009
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    Your service lacks any form of clearly visible ToS, which is naturally offputting.

    Also, your order system is quite confusing aswell, here's an example;


    Virtual Machines (ESXi) - Large
    Large $17.00 USD
    Operating System: Latest CentOS $0.00 USD
    Extra IP Addresses: 0 $0.00 USD
    Setup Fees: $0.00 USD
    Monthly: $17.00 USD
    Total Due Today: $3.84 USD

    I'd understand a $17.00 up front fee for the first month, but why such a random number like $3.84?

  4. Post #4
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    June 2006
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    Your service lacks any form of clearly visible ToS, which is naturally offputting.

    Also, your order system is quite confusing aswell, here's an example;


    Virtual Machines (ESXi) - Large
    Large $17.00 USD
    Operating System: Latest CentOS $0.00 USD
    Extra IP Addresses: 0 $0.00 USD
    Setup Fees: $0.00 USD
    Monthly: $17.00 USD
    Total Due Today: $3.84 USD

    I'd understand a $17.00 up front fee for the first month, but why such a random number like $3.84?
    Probably pro-rata billing.

    Prices don't seem sustainable at all, though.
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  5. Post #5
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    Chulo Arco's Avatar
    January 2011
    335 Posts
    What's changed since then?

    Edited:

    Most of us are pretty loyal to FanaticalVPS and/or HexxehVPS. How would you change our minds?
    Everything has, we are have reviewed our way of doing business and have improved it.

    Edited:

    Your service lacks any form of clearly visible ToS, which is naturally offputting.

    Also, your order system is quite confusing aswell, here's an example;


    Virtual Machines (ESXi) - Large
    Large $17.00 USD
    Operating System: Latest CentOS $0.00 USD
    Extra IP Addresses: 0 $0.00 USD
    Setup Fees: $0.00 USD
    Monthly: $17.00 USD
    Total Due Today: $3.84 USD

    I'd understand a $17.00 up front fee for the first month, but why such a random number like $3.84?
    That's pro rated billing.

    I will add a link to the terms of service.

    Edited:

    Probably pro-rata billing.

    Prices don't seem sustainable at all, though.
    We have reviewed the pricing and it IS sustainable as we get the hardware and connection for cheap and IP blocks free (not counting RIPE membership fees)

  6. Post #6
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    Hexxeh's Avatar
    June 2006
    5,091 Posts
    Mind sharing details of what hardware these VMs are running on?

    Edited:

    Everything has, we are have reviewed our way of doing business and have improved it.

    Edited:



    That's pro rated billing.

    I will add a link to the terms of service.

    Edited:



    We have reviewed the pricing and it IS sustainable as we get the hardware and connection for cheap and IP blocks free (not counting RIPE membership fees)
    You're not going to get a dedicated 1gbit connection for the kind of money you're charging here, and disk IO will suffer once you start loading more VMs on.

    Also your terms of service is bullshit, and appears to be taken straight from another webhosting provider, not a VPS provider.

  7. Post #7
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    June 2011
    2,645 Posts
    What's the choice of distros?

  8. Post #8
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    Chulo Arco's Avatar
    January 2011
    335 Posts
    Mind sharing details of what hardware these VMs are running on?

    Edited:



    You're not going to get a dedicated 1gbit connection for the kind of money you're charging here, and disk IO will suffer once you start loading more VMs on.
    The connection is actually dedicated ;).


    We're currently on a Quad Core Xeon processor on a HDD array /w RAID 10 and 8GB ram, upgradeable to 24GB.

    Edited:

    What's the choice of distros?
    Any operating system supported by VMware.

  9. Post #9
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    June 2006
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    The connection is actually dedicated ;).


    We're currently on a Quad Core Xeon processor on a HDD array /w RAID 10 and 8GB ram, upgradeable to 24GB.
    Judging by that, I'm guessing your server is with LeaseWeb, then? That file is likely hosted on their internal network, and so won't give a true result.

    Also, you don't understand the idea of a dedicated connection.

    Lastly, at 8GB of RAM, and charging $17 for a 4GB VPS, you're going to make just less than $34 in turnover. How is this even going to break even...

  10. Post #10
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    Chulo Arco's Avatar
    January 2011
    335 Posts
    Judging by that, I'm guessing your server is with LeaseWeb, then? That file is likely hosted on their internal network, and so won't give a true result.

    Also, you don't understand the idea of a dedicated connection.
    No, it's not hosted with Leaseweb. I'd be glad to PM you an IP address of our host.

    We do get a dedicated connection with Telia peering.

  11. Post #11
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    Hexxeh's Avatar
    June 2006
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    No, it's not hosted with Leaseweb. I'd be glad to PM you an IP address of our host.

    We do get a dedicated connection with Telia peering.
    Sure, you'll want to add that, along with a speedtest file, to your OP.

  12. Post #12
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    January 2011
    335 Posts
    Sure, you'll want to add that, along with a speedtest file, to your OP.
    http://d-sql.mco.im/100mb.test
    80.82.66.148

    Edit:
    I just had someone download at 12MB/s, was that you?

  13. Post #13
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    June 2006
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    http://d-sql.mco.im/100mb.test
    80.82.66.148

    Edit:
    I just had someone download at 12MB/s, was that you?
    No, I've just tried from a few locations. I got 600kb/s from a gigabit line in the US, and about 4.8MB/s from servers in France. 1.3MB/s from my home connection which usually peaks at 1.6MB/s.

  14. Post #14
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    January 2011
    335 Posts
    No, I've just tried from a few locations. I got 600kb/s from a gigabit line in the US, and about 4.8MB/s from servers in France. 1.3MB/s from my home connection which usually peaks at 1.6MB/s.
    US -> Europe is always shitty and that's something that needs to be resolved. Are you trying from OVH? I'm getting some pretty good speeds from there.
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  15. Post #15
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    US -> Europe is always shitty and that's something that needs to be resolved. Are you trying from OVH? I'm getting some pretty good speeds from there.
    Tried from various networks, including OVH. File is 404ing now though?

    Edit: Working again now. Tested from UK server on gigabit line, started out at 4MB/s but had many drops down to sub 1MBs/s and then back to just under 3MB/s. Not exactly consistent. For reference, I can get 4MB/s quite easily between 100mbit boxes (once loaded with customers, may I add) EU > US.

  16. Post #16
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    January 2011
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    Tried from various networks, including OVH. File is 404ing now though?
    I'm getting some pretty good speeds from my own net and Germany.

    But you're right, the upload speeds are off. I'll contact the host about it.
    Weird how the download speeds are actually fine.

    Can you give me a test file?

  17. Post #17
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    http://dumpify.hexxeh.net/~hexxeh/100mb.test
    http://dumpify.hexxeh.net/~hexxeh/1000mb.test

    US server, 1GBit pipe.

    But you've still not explained how you're selling your entire server for $34 and hope to survive.

  18. Post #18
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    http://dumpify.hexxeh.net/~hexxeh/100mb.test
    http://dumpify.hexxeh.net/~hexxeh/1000mb.test

    US server, 1GBit pipe.

    But you've still not explained how you're selling your entire server for $34 and hope to survive.
    We have cheap server housing.
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  19. Post #19
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    $17 for a 4GB VPS? Impossible to scale.

    You may rely heavily on customers not utilizing the full power available to them (or not, as the case may be).

    To be honest if you really have ARIN membership and nodes of this power, you'd have made a realistic business plan.

    Edited:

    We have cheap server housing.
    Not for $34/that spec. Bullshit.
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  20. Post #20
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    I'm getting some pretty good speeds from my own net and Germany.

    But you're right, the upload speeds are off. I'll contact the host about it.
    Weird how the download speeds are actually fine.

    Can you give me a test file?


    Edited:

    $17 for a 4GB VPS? Impossible to scale.

    You may rely heavily on customers not utilizing the full power available to them (or not, as the case may be).

    To be honest if you really have ARIN membership and nodes of this power, you'd have made a realistic business plan.

    Edited:



    Not for $34/that spec. Bullshit.
    Other hosts sell for less and they work the same as I do. We house our servers for $20 per month for a 1u server.

    I however, don't plan to turn this into a flame fest, look at it as healthy competition I guess.
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  21. Post #21
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    Edited:



    Other hosts sell for less and they work the same as I do. We house our servers for $20 per month for a 1u server.

    I however, don't plan to turn this into a flame fest, look at it as healthy competition I guess.
    There's not a chance in hell you're getting colo for $20/m.

  22. Post #22
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    There's not a chance in hell you're getting colo for $20/m.
    Someone I know gave me a deal I couldn't refuse. I showed him my home datacenter and he asked me why I didn't house it, I said that it was too expensive and he offered me a few spots for cheap.

    It's how it is. ;)

  23. Post #23
    ReThinkVPS
    wilki's Avatar
    July 2011
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    So you get your power, 1Gb "dedicated" line and basically the cost just to house it there for $20 a month there is no way that they can make any money from colocating you.

  24. Post #24
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    So you get your power, 1Gb "dedicated" line and basically the cost just to house it there for $20 a month there is no way that they can make any money from colocating you.
    Please read previous posts.

    This is going to become a flame fest - please stop.

  25. Post #25
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    So in a month or two's time when you're costing them 5x what you're paying, what happens? It's not a sustainable business model.

  26. Post #26
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    335 Posts
    So in a month or two's time when you're costing them 5x what you're paying, what happens? It's not a sustainable business model.
    Probably, but I can only house one server there, the next server is full payment.

    And it's not like the RAM is embedded into the machine, I can always upgrade it.

  27. Post #27
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    Probably, but I can only house one server there, the next server is full payment.
    If your tale is true (which I very much doubt), they're not going to give it to you that cheaply for very long, and your customers are going to get screwed in the long run.
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  28. Post #28
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    I've read the ToS, and I'm wondering, what CAN you run?

    User may not:

    Use 25% or more of system resources for longer then 90 seconds. There are numerous activities that could cause such problems; these include: CGI scripts, FTP, PHP, HTTP, etc.
    Run stand-alone, unattended server-side processes at any point in time on the server. This includes any and all daemons, such as IRCD.
    Run any type of web spider or indexer (including Google Cash / AdSpy) on shared servers.
    Run any software that interfaces with an IRC (Internet Relay Chat) network.
    Run any gaming servers such as counter-strike, half-life, battlefield1942, etc
    Image Hosting Scripts (similar to Photobucket or Tinypic)
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  29. Post #29
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    I've read the ToS, and I'm wondering, what CAN you run?
    That's for US shared hosting.

    Let me quickly repair that and make it more clear.

    Edited:

    If your tale is true (which I very much doubt), they're not going to give it to you that cheaply for very long, and your customers are going to get screwed in the long run.
    I respect your opinion but it's wrong, just because we both run a business and want to be the best. I've learnt that empty arguments don't work.

  30. Post #30
    ReThinkVPS
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    July 2011
    190 Posts
    Code:
    [root@vps tmp]# wget http://d-sql.mco.im/100mb.test
    --2012-01-24 21:12:53--  http://d-sql.mco.im/100mb.test
    Resolving d-sql.mco.im... 80.82.66.148
    Connecting to d-sql.mco.im|80.82.66.148|:80... connected.
    HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
    Length: 100000000 (95M) [text/plain]
    Saving to: `100mb.test'
    
    100%[====================================================================================================>] 100,000,000 1.02M/s   in 2m 3s   
    
    2012-01-24 21:14:57 (791 KB/s) - `100mb.test' saved [100000000/100000000]
    This is from Scranton, PA.

  31. Post #31
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    January 2011
    335 Posts
    Code:
    [root@vps tmp]# wget http://d-sql.mco.im/100mb.test
    --2012-01-24 21:12:53--  http://d-sql.mco.im/100mb.test
    Resolving d-sql.mco.im... 80.82.66.148
    Connecting to d-sql.mco.im|80.82.66.148|:80... connected.
    HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
    Length: 100000000 (95M) [text/plain]
    Saving to: `100mb.test'
    
    100%[====================================================================================================>] 100,000,000 1.02M/s   in 2m 3s   
    
    2012-01-24 21:14:57 (791 KB/s) - `100mb.test' saved [100000000/100000000]
    This is from Scranton, PA.
    do wget -O /dev/null http://d-sql.mco.im/100mb.test for best results.

    Scranton, PA being Bustnet..? I once tried virtualization with them and had a max of 300kb/s

  32. Post #32
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    June 2006
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    Not sure what you're talking about saying US > EU bandwidth is terrible:

    Code:
    wget -O /dev/null http://mirror.leaseweb.com/speedtest/1000mb.bin
    --2012-01-24 17:25:17--  http://mirror.leaseweb.com/speedtest/1000mb.bin
    Resolving mirror.leaseweb.com... 94.75.223.121, 2001:1af8:4030:1:0:dead:beef:cafe
    Connecting to mirror.leaseweb.com|94.75.223.121|:80... connected.
    HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
    Length: 1000000000 (954M) [application/octet-stream]
    Saving to: `/dev/null'
    
    100%[=============================================================================>] 1,000,000,000 11.9M/s   in 78s     
    
    2012-01-24 17:26:35 (12.2 MB/s) - `/dev/null' saved [1000000000/1000000000]
    Code:
    traceroute mirror.leaseweb.com
    traceroute to mirror.leaseweb.com (94.75.223.121), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
     1  208.83.142.193 (208.83.142.193)  0.463 ms  0.466 ms  0.524 ms
     2  te-1-8.rtr1.avl1.netriplex.com (67.23.161.133)  0.344 ms  0.341 ms  0.366 ms
     3  te-4-6.rtr1.atl1.netriplex.com (67.23.161.138)  6.920 ms  6.924 ms  6.944 ms
     4  tengigabitethernet8-4.ar3.atl2.gblx.net (207.136.166.173)  6.820 ms  6.817 ms  6.767 ms
     5  204.245.38.170 (204.245.38.170)  100.645 ms  100.591 ms  100.584 ms
     6  te3-4.hv3.evo.leaseweb.net (62.212.80.98)  105.980 ms  106.023 ms  106.029 ms
     7  * * *
     8  * * *
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  33. Post #33
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    January 2011
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    Not sure what you're talking about saying US > EU bandwidth is terrible:

    Code:
    wget -O /dev/null http://mirror.leaseweb.com/speedtest/1000mb.bin
    --2012-01-24 17:25:17--  http://mirror.leaseweb.com/speedtest/1000mb.bin
    Resolving mirror.leaseweb.com... 94.75.223.121, 2001:1af8:4030:1:0:dead:beef:cafe
    Connecting to mirror.leaseweb.com|94.75.223.121|:80... connected.
    HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
    Length: 1000000000 (954M) [application/octet-stream]
    Saving to: `/dev/null'
    
    100%[=============================================================================>] 1,000,000,000 11.9M/s   in 78s     
    
    2012-01-24 17:26:35 (12.2 MB/s) - `/dev/null' saved [1000000000/1000000000]
    It is in some cases.

  34. Post #34
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    It is in some cases.
    When one of the two ends/datacenters is poorly connected. Honestly not sure what to make of this topic, we'll see how it grows :)

  35. Post #35
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    January 2011
    335 Posts
    When one of the two ends/datacenters is poorly connected. Honestly not sure what to make of this topic, we'll see how it grows :)
    Yup.

  36. Post #36
    secretly a furry
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    April 2011
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    When one of the two ends/datacenters is poorly connected. Honestly not sure what to make of this topic, we'll see how it grows :)
    I predict just like the last one.

  37. Post #37
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    January 2011
    335 Posts
    I predict just like the last one.
    Let's hope not.
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  38. Post #38
    ReThinkVPS
    wilki's Avatar
    July 2011
    190 Posts
    do wget -O /dev/null http://d-sql.mco.im/100mb.test for best results.

    Scranton, PA being Bustnet..? I once tried virtualization with them and had a max of 300kb/s
    You did it wrong.

    Edited:

    Code:
    [root@vps tmp]# wget -O /dev/null http://d-sql.mco.im/100mb.test
    --2012-01-24 22:52:38--  http://d-sql.mco.im/100mb.test
    Resolving d-sql.mco.im... 80.82.66.148
    Connecting to d-sql.mco.im|80.82.66.148|:80... connected.
    HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
    Length: 100000000 (95M) [text/plain]
    Saving to: `/dev/null'
    
    100%[====================================================================================================>] 100,000,000  724K/s   in 2m 12s  
    
    2012-01-24 22:54:50 (741 KB/s) - `/dev/null' saved [100000000/100000000]

  39. Post #39
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    November 2011
    482 Posts
    The TOS seems like a copy and paste festival.
    http://hostingblast.net/tos.html

    Found a large part of the "Usage of resources" section here (see 7a)
    http://www.hostgator.com/tos/tos.php

    Also found the bottom part is just from LithiumHosting's TOS (See 2 (2))
    http://www.lithiumhosting.com/terms/...oductagreement

    Guess I'm just being picky though.

  40. Post #40
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    June 2006
    2,196 Posts
    I'm sorry, I still don't get it, can you summarize your service with more [tags]?

    :V
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