1. Post #5041
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    Thom12255's Avatar
    January 2009
    8,385 Posts
    video game developers aren't your friends, they're making games to both tell a story and turn a profit(more one than the other for most devs) because money is more useful than friendship. If you can't adapt to that and get pissed off when a dev charges for something extra then I dunno what to tell you guys..
    Guess that's why EA isn't on Steam anymore.
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  2. Post #5042
    spiderpiglol's Avatar
    April 2011
    347 Posts
    video game developers aren't your friends, they're making games to both tell a story and turn a profit(more one than the other for most devs) because money is more useful than friendship. If you can't adapt to that and get pissed off when a dev charges for something extra then I dunno what to tell you guys..
    It's not extra though. If you've played the games then you know it's a pretty significant part of the lore that shouldn't just fucking pop out of nowhere. And whilst developers are trying to make money they still have to respect their customers by not pulling dumb shit like this.
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  3. Post #5043
    Dumb Dog's Avatar
    August 2010
    194 Posts
    video game developers aren't your friends, they're making games to both tell a story and turn a profit(more one than the other for most devs) because money is more useful than friendship. If you can't adapt to that and get pissed off when a dev charges for something extra then I dunno what to tell you guys..
    “If you’re not making your customers happy you’re doing something stupid”
    -Gabe Newell.
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  4. Post #5044
    dumbidiotretard's Avatar
    December 2011
    1,575 Posts
    Well they don't have to turn over profit to Valve when their games are located on their own program, and they have the resources to manage their own digital store. So it was inevitable really. I could see EA trying to just buy out steam completely in the near future.
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  5. Post #5045
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    December 2005
    7,539 Posts
    video game developers aren't your friends, they're making games to both tell a story and turn a profit(more one than the other for most devs) because money is more useful than friendship. If you can't adapt to that and get pissed off when a dev charges for something extra then I dunno what to tell you guys..
    Even then, who knows how much is EA's choice. Publishers kind of control everything, considering they pay for all of your game.

    Personally, I rather just wait for the game and play it, before I ever make a judgement of its quality.
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  6. Post #5046
    spiderpiglol's Avatar
    April 2011
    347 Posts
    Well they don't have to turn over profit to Valve when their games are located on their own program, and they have the resources to manage their own digital store. So it was inevitable really. I could see EA trying to just buy out steam completely in the near future.
    What on earth have Origin and Steam got to do with anything? We're discussing the dlc bullshit.
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  7. Post #5047
    27X
    Rantasaurus Rex
    27X's Avatar
    July 2010
    5,999 Posts
    What the flying christ, so they took one of the selling points of the game (Decisions that actually impacts the fucking storyline in the long term) and threw that shit out of the window just for more cash? Go die EA, leave Bioware alone and let them do their god damn work. Unless that's Bioware which I doubt since Bioware is coolbro status.
    The chopping up of the story comes from acclamation between BioWare and EA. The bad story is all BW. You people seriously need stop acting like BW hasn't had a sea change because they have. They are not the same company you remember from nostalgia and they're never going to be again. Thinking that BW was immune to EA's influence is completely moribund. EA pays the bills.
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  8. Post #5048
    dumbidiotretard's Avatar
    December 2011
    1,575 Posts
    What on earth have Origin and Steam got to do with anything? We're discussing the dlc bullshit.
    was a reply to Thom12255...
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  9. Post #5049
    I Love Gaylo 4
    Delta616's Avatar
    April 2006
    9,937 Posts
    What on earth have Origin and Steam got to do with anything? We're discussing the dlc bullshit.
    Re read the past 7 posts.
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  10. Post #5050
    mercurius's Avatar
    March 2010
    4,472 Posts

    Cheating items is morally grey, but this shit deserves a permaban from all Origin multiplayer games.
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  11. Post #5051
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    Goldenboy's Avatar
    December 2009
    1,981 Posts
    Look, I'm not one for getting into arguments on the internet, because at the end of the day, nobody comes out of it looking good, or in the right. But I feel I have a point to make here. People seem to be making the argument that this is optional character DLC. It is optional DLC because it was removed from the game. Anything is optional, if it is removed, and then you are asked to pay an additional fee for it.

    Why did I make the comparison to the Krogan genophage plot, that seems to have come off as hyperbolic? Because this is a damn Prothean; the race whose existence and extinction has been at the heart of the Mass Effect series. The discovery of a living, breathing, 50,000 year-old member of their race is a huge deal to the franchise's lore; just as much of a deal as the resolution to the Salarian/Krogan conflict, or the Geth/Quarian war, if not more so. To gloss over such a plot revelation, and relegate it to DLC-status comes across as having a blatant disregard for the series' storyline and lore.

    Perhaps a better example would be Garrus; his inclusion as a squadmate in ME3 is currently semi-optional, as he can die on the Suicide Mission. Would the circumstances be the same, had BioWare made him 100% optional, ensuring that he can only be recruited if you purchase the Day One 'Archangel' DLC? In fact, I would argue this current situation is perhaps even worse, as whilst Garrus is certainly an integral part of the franchise, EA has on this occasion, apparently decided that a revelatory element, such as a Prothean, is not a 'key' story element, and has devalued it's existence within the story.

    The most important point I feel needs to be made is precedent. Here, a substantial plot-point and element of the series has been removed, and relegated to the level of an 'optional' element. The question is, how much of the game are you willing to see be made 'optional' before it becomes an issue? Zaeed and Kasumi were both optional characters, true; however one came packaged with every single new copy of the game, in additional to other free content, whilst another was released later into the game's lifecycle, following additional work on her loyalty mission. More to the point, but characters 'felt' like they were optional; whilst they had intended to be part of the game from the start, they lack recruitment missions, or dialogue progression, and were clearly later additions to the series. Do you miss out on content if you choose not the recruit them, yes, but you do not lose out on lore, or story progression.

    Shale from Dragon Age is another example; their original role was removed from the game, and by the time they had chosen to revive the character, it was too late to integrate them into the main plot. As a result, the character was made totally optional, and released with every new copy of the game. Should you choose not to recruit Shale, you miss out on additional dialogue, and a 'loyalty' mission-of-sorts, but you do not lose a substantial element of the core plot.

    Ultimately, whilst I may disagree almost entirely with Day One DLC, I understand it's purported purpose; to encourage fresh purchases (sending more revenue to the developer). However, the job of Day One DLC is not to remove pre-existing elements of the storyline, in order to create additional revenue, or to encourage players to purchase the $80 collector's edition. Major releases are currently more expensive than they have ever been, and to me, this seems to be an example of a publisher seeing how far it can go, how much it can remove from the base game, whilst still getting customers to pay an additional fee on release day, in order to 'complete' their game.

    Phew.
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  12. Post #5052
    Puddin'
    JesterUK's Avatar
    November 2008
    10,351 Posts
    There isn't any justification for Day One DLC. If it's being released at the same time as the game it's obviously already finished and should be a part of the base game.
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  13. Post #5053
    There isn't any justification for Day One DLC. If it's being released at the same time as the game it's obviously already finished and should be a part of the base game.
    Here's your damned justification!

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  14. Post #5054
    Ah yes "opinions"
    Jackald's Avatar
    October 2005
    16,765 Posts
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  15. Post #5055
    milktree's Avatar
    January 2008
    1,200 Posts



    Cheating items is morally grey, but this shit deserves a permaban from all Origin multiplayer games.
    they must of thought the bin files that contained the game content were uncrackable or something because as far as i can tell there is no anti-cheat or verification of client files at all. hopefully this will change with the full game because the crap in the video just ruins everything that makes the multiplayer fun and addicting. the MP is too fun to just die out only a few months after release because of cheaters like crysis 2
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  16. Post #5056
    What's brevity?
    ironman17's Avatar
    June 2006
    18,650 Posts
    Capitalist pig days like these make me wish it were ILLEGAL for such heresies to be done, making it so that EA wouldn't pull this shit ever. But they're absolute monsters, just like Activision, and have no place in the New World.
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  17. Post #5057
    dumbidiotretard's Avatar
    December 2011
    1,575 Posts
    kill the rich feed the poor video game anarchy 2k12 burn down EA
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  18. Post #5058
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    TheTalon's Avatar
    June 2008
    19,391 Posts
    God the matchmaking system is such utter shit

    Fuck off with that asswater back to consoles and give the PC at least some semblance of a browser, instead of being connected to someone with a 800 ping, or, not being able to connect at all and having NO way to escape out of the COMMUNICATING screen, other than Ending Task.

    Fuck

    I don't even care about Dedicated servers, I just want to see them on a browser, so I can pick one with decent latency. Is that too much to fuckin ask
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  19. Post #5059
    Connoisseur of Maple Syrup, Guns, and Sex Toys
    Dennab
    August 2008
    5,053 Posts



    Totally agree with what I've watched so far, about 6 minutes.
    He seems to be discussing EA/DLC for a lot of the video, don't think he's criticising the game.
    I agree with a lot of his points but I thought it was funny how he said that UK Gamers got ripped off "A hell of a lot more" when it came to the Digital Deluxe Edition vs. Americans.

    Not really true. Sure, it's about 5 dollars more expensive in the GBP equivalent than the US version, but at the same time their standard edition is about 5 dollars cheaper in the equivalent. So it evens out.
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  20. Post #5060
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    krakadict's Avatar
    June 2009
    2,892 Posts

    melee krogan gonna melee.
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  21. Post #5061
    I'M A SHAAARK!
    Lambeth's Avatar
    October 2009
    14,832 Posts
    I preordered the digital deluxe edition and I'm not gonna cancel it because Battlefield 3
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  22. Post #5062
    milktree's Avatar
    January 2008
    1,200 Posts

    melee krogan gonna melee.
    a bronze match got you that many credits?
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  23. Post #5063
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    Dr McNinja's Avatar
    July 2007
    2,300 Posts
    Bioware has officially been indoctrinated.
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  24. Post #5064
    Saint Jimmy's Avatar
    September 2009
    835 Posts


    END OF RINE AGAIN.
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  25. Post #5065
    Connoisseur of Maple Syrup, Guns, and Sex Toys
    Dennab
    August 2008
    5,053 Posts
    I preordered the digital deluxe edition and I'm not gonna cancel it because Battlefield 3
    I can't believe they're giving BF3 away for free. I almost wish I hadn't bought BF3 at Gamestop used and conned a free new online pass out of EA just so I could have gotten it for free now

    Then again I think the Physical version of the Collector's Edition > Digital. I'm getting a Lithograph and a patch and I get to go to a midnight release and get other free shit like posters and your mom.
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  26. Post #5066
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    Tom083's Avatar
    August 2011
    1,229 Posts



    Watch 2:00 onwards.

    That's a clever idea, I dunno why more devs don't do this...
    They did this for Command & Conquer: Red Alert 3 on Xbox.

    On one side you would have the Soviet faction and on the other you'd have the Allies.

    Was pretty neat.
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  27. Post #5067
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    Sector 7's Avatar
    May 2005
    3,138 Posts
    Well they don't have to turn over profit to Valve when their games are located on their own program, and they have the resources to manage their own digital store. So it was inevitable really. I could see EA trying to just buy out steam completely in the near future.
    Valve is a privately owned company. EA couldn't buy out Valve unless Gabe was literally selling it.
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  28. Post #5068
    Connoisseur of Maple Syrup, Guns, and Sex Toys
    Dennab
    August 2008
    5,053 Posts
    Wait hold on I'm confused about something.

    Didn't they say somewhere that in ME3 there would actually be blindfire so you wouldn't have to stand up out of cover and go "HEY I'M RIGHT HERE SHOOT ME"?

    I haven't noticed that in ME3 demo yet. You still pop out like a retard.
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  29. Post #5069
    WeekendWarrior's Avatar
    February 2010
    16,199 Posts


    END OF RINE AGAIN.
    Urban legend.
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  30. Post #5070
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    krakadict's Avatar
    June 2009
    2,892 Posts
    a bronze match got you that many credits?
    using that 1 credit/pack mod, dont know why it's giving me loads of money.
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  31. Post #5071
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    February 2007
    67 Posts
    IIRC, the    Prothean    is still an integral part of the main game. I thought the DLC just allowed you to recruit him... Don't shoot me if I'm wrong
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  32. Post #5072
    27X
    Rantasaurus Rex
    27X's Avatar
    July 2010
    5,999 Posts
    Wait hold on I'm confused about something.

    Didn't they say somewhere that in ME3 there would actually be blindfire so you wouldn't have to stand up out of cover and go "HEY I'M RIGHT HERE SHOOT ME"?

    I haven't noticed that in ME3 demo yet. You still pop out like a retard.
    Don't scope.
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  33. Post #5073
    Terin7's Avatar
    November 2007
    820 Posts
    I'm just going to watch the mission on YouTube and be done with it. Simple enough for me, really.
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  34. Post #5074
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    Saxon's Avatar
    August 2006
    3,891 Posts
    This DLC shenanigans is typical for a public corporation. I guess it all comes from investors and shareholders who want to maximize profits but do not understand how the industry works or why steam and valve are so successful. I think Gabe said something along the lines like "Don't treat your customers like they are stupid".

    Valve has basically won its self a monopoly on PC game sales (a wet dream for lots of corporations) by winning the loyalty of its users. Its stupid and frustrating that these companies pull crap like this when we can all be better off.
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  35. Post #5075
    Connoisseur of Maple Syrup, Guns, and Sex Toys
    Dennab
    August 2008
    5,053 Posts
    Don't scope.
    I wasn't. I was just clicking fire and Shepard would just do that hopping thing where he'd stand up take a shot and sit down.

    Edited:

    This DLC shenanigans is typical for a public corporation. I guess it all comes from investors and shareholders who want to maximize profits but do not understand how the industry works or why steam and valve are so successful. I think Gabe said something along the lines like "Don't treat your customers like they are stupid".

    Valve has basically won its self a monopoly on PC game sales (a wet dream for lots of corporations) by winning the loyalty of its users. Its stupid and frustrating that these companies pull crap like this when we can all be better off.
    And this is why I like Valve/Steam more than EA/Origins and hate EA/Origins so much.
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  36. Post #5076
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    January 2009
    8,385 Posts
    IIRC, the    Prothean    is still an integral part of the main game. I thought the DLC just allowed you to recruit him... Don't shoot me if I'm wrong
    If you don't buy it he lives out the rest of his days on Jamaica.
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  37. Post #5077
    Glicerart's Avatar
    April 2006
    8 Posts
    First time tried silver:

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  38. Post #5078
    Zet
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    February 2011
    2,356 Posts

    Watch 2:00 onwards.

    That's a clever idea, I dunno why more devs don't do this...
    I recall Bioware saying this was only going to be done for the Collector's Edition
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  39. Post #5079
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    October 2006
    5,506 Posts
    *agreeable statement*
    I cannot help but agree completely. I have never been a fan of DLC but neither have I been one to get too worked up over it, either. However, this is plain crossing the line. The decision to make such an important subject to the game merely something accessible as DLC, is nothing short of stupid. It wouldn't be as much of an issue with me (or many others, I'd assume) if it was just some other new character; but someone who- you would think- would be ground breaking to the overall story one would bet that character deserves a place and purpose in the game's vanilla release.

    I'm sure the character would add a little insight to the    Protheans (can I stop spoilering this? I mean, the cat's kind of out of the bag by now)    and the Reapers, but the fact that the character is completely optional to begin with makes me think the revelatory character is nothing but a side-mission and a new face with little to add to the table. Unfortunately, I feel obligated to get the DLC now because I'd be missing out on the character for whatever it may be worth (since, when it comes to anything I am particularly stingy about characters).

    Hopefully, those claims are correct that he is in the full game and bears purpose, but the DLC just allows you to recruit him and do a mission. If that's the case, slightly redeemable... slightly.
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  40. Post #5080
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    Tom083's Avatar
    August 2011
    1,229 Posts
    Wait, someone mentioned something about Battlefield 3 being free a while ago, or am i just going insane?
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