[Foogooman]

We should start a petition to re-write Minecraft in C++


Notch could easily afford to bring on a couple C++ programmers. Jeb continues developing the Java version for Macs and coordinates with the C++ team on the PC version.

Edited:

Hell the xbox 360 team already coded the entire game in C++, it's just an older version. Now just bring on a new guy to bring it up to date for PCs.

[Sgt Doom]

That, however, brings problems with:
1) Incompatibility issues with Mac and Linux
2) The Bukkit team (who're doing bug-fixing for Minecraft), and indeed the entire modding base, having to either learn a new language or hand off to people who know C++

Edited:

The ideal mid-term solution would be the current new guys at Mojang polishing it up, and the modding community making the final optimisations when the modding API comes out.

[Foogooman]

Sgt Doom posted:

That, however, brings problems with:
1) Incompatibility issues with Mac and Linux
2) The Bukkit team (who're doing bug-fixing for Minecraft), and indeed the entire modding base, having to either learn a new language or hand off to people who know C++

Edited:

The ideal mid-term solution would be the current new guys at Mojang polishing it up, and the modding community making the final optimisations when the modding API comes out.

Like I said, there would be two versions. The Java version would be for Macs primarily and the new C++ version would be for PCs. No compatibility issues. This also allows modders to continue modding in java for the Mac version and new modders can rise up for the C++ version.

[Goz3rr]

Foogooman posted:

Like I said, there would be two versions. The Java version would be for Macs primarily and the new C++ version would be for PCs. No compatibility issues. This also allows modders to continue modding in java for the Mac version and new modders can rise up for the C++ version.

That's just retarded.

[Titanium Knigh7]

Tuskin posted:

Look at all the swag

http://marketplace.xbox.com/en-ca/Pr...5-d802584111f7

Look at all those profits.

[Sgt Doom]

Foogooman posted:

Like I said, there would be two versions. The Java version would be for Macs primarily and the new C++ version would be for PCs. No compatibility issues. This also allows modders to continue modding in java for the Mac version and new modders can rise up for the C++ version.

The whole point of the migration to a server/client system for Minecraft is that they don't have to code 2 versions of the game. How is making 2 versions in different types of code a good idea? The 360 version is done and maintained by a different studio, so that doesn't take up Mojang's time, but this would.

Edited:

Minecraft is already by most accounts a rather bizarrely coded game, they don't need any more obstacles.

[Oicani Gonzales]

Raptr just gave me a 360 copy of minecraft
lol

[Tuskin]

Oicani Gonzales posted:

Raptr just gave me a 360 copy of minecraft
lol

I"m trying to get one I have all the requirements to be eligible but its not showing up in the eligible tab.

Edited:

Ah got it, I unlinked my Steam account it forced an update.

[VistaPOWA]

I just got Minecraft for Xbox 360 from Raptr too.

I don't even have an Xbox.

[Mio Akiyama]

VistaPOWA posted:

I just got Minecraft for Xbox 360 from Raptr too.

I don't even have an Xbox.

I'll take it, I have an xbox

[Foogooman]

Sgt Doom posted:

The whole point of the migration to a server/client system for Minecraft is that they don't have to code 2 versions of the game. How is making 2 versions in different types of code a good idea? The 360 version is done and maintained by a different studio, so that doesn't take up Mojang's time, but this would.

Edited:

Minecraft is already by most accounts a rather bizarrely coded game, they don't need any more obstacles.

Notch could spend like 0.2 percent of his money to pay two C++ programmers for an entire year. It wouldn't hinder the java minecraft development.

[asantos3]

-snip-

[BlueAVS]

Just tried the new snapshot.

I love the large biomes! Now you acctually need to explore to find other biomes.

I love you Jeb..

[Foogooman]

Someone tell me why creating a C++ version would be dumb.


It's only a question of money, which Notch has plenty of.

[Goz3rr]

Foogooman posted:

Someone tell me why creating a C++ version would be dumb.


It's only a question of money, which Notch has plenty of.

It's a waste of time

[Eltro102]

yes but modders

Edited:

Foogooman posted:

Someone tell me why creating a C++ version would be dumb.


It's only a question of money, which Notch has plenty of.

modders, devs, etc unless notch pays off the mod makers and other assorted devs too

[AlfieSR]

Foogooman posted:

Someone tell me why creating a C++ version would be dumb.


It's only a question of money, which Notch has plenty of.

Because it'd be undoing what they're trying to achieve by merging SSP and SMP - they have to control and update 2 copies of Minecraft again, which is pointless.

[geogzm]

Anyone with one of those xbox raptr codes, I'd appreciate one my friends are badgering me to buy the xbox version

[Jimmylaw]

I would just like to add, C++ runs on all platforms, including mac and linux. So while there are a lot of other negatives to using C++, having to have differnet versions would not be one of them

[Mikesword221]

Tuskin posted:

I"m trying to get one I have all the requirements to be eligible but its not showing up in the eligible tab.

Edited:

Ah got it, I unlinked my Steam account it forced an update.

Uh what's Raptr?

[Foogooman]

AlfieSR posted:

Because it'd be undoing what they're trying to achieve by merging SSP and SMP - they have to control and update 2 copies of Minecraft again, which is pointless.

Instead of one team managing 2 copies it's two teams managing two copies. It's essentially the same as one team managing one copy except now we have a copy that actually runs decently and is written in a good script language.

[calzoneman]

Foogooman posted:

Instead of one team managing 2 copies it's two teams managing two copies. It's essentially the same as one team managing one copy except now we have a copy that actually runs decently and is written in a good script language.

Do you know anything about programming? Managing one codebase is hard enough as it is; coordinating between 2 teams on 2 codebases is just asking for a trip to hell. Also, switching languages is an extremely large obstacle and investment, and I doubt the performance gain would be worth a tenth of a percent of the cost.

[Mikesword221]

Aww. All the codes on Raptr were gone by the time I joined.

[General J]

Console gamer tried to argue with me today that MC is more popular (and will stay more popular) on the 360

[endorphinsam]

Eltro102 posted:

yes but modders

Edited:



modders, devs, etc unless notch pays off the mod makers and other assorted devs too

What other developers for Minecraft are there other than the Mojang Team? And if by Devs you mean modders, then devs == modders and you stated the same fact twice. And why would he even need to pay off Modders for changing the Minecraft Engine to C++? Doesn't make any sense, I mean the Modders didn't invest any money in creating the mods, and even if they did, it's not like the modders gave Mojang the money to invest in their constructions.

[phytocide]

There has been a murder in Parachantown!



Edited:

of course this is what happens when you create a creative world

[Foogooman]

calzoneman posted:

Do you know anything about programming? Managing one codebase is hard enough as it is; coordinating between 2 teams on 2 codebases is just asking for a trip to hell. Also, switching languages is an extremely large obstacle and investment, and I doubt the performance gain would be worth a tenth of a percent of the cost.

But it's not impossible, hundreds of game companies do it.

[TheSporeGA]

Foogooman posted:

But it's not impossible, hundreds of game companies do it.

Pretty much everyone here disagrees with you, so I would leave before you make yourself look like more of an idiot.

[Foogooman]

It's just strange that when I post things like "Minecraft runs like a garbage truck in a blizzard" I'll get a bunch of agrees but when I give an idea on how to fix that problem those same people would rather do nothing to fix it.

[TehWhale]

http://minetest.net

enjoy your c++ and lua mods

[ZombieWaffle]

Foogooman posted:

It's just strange that when I post things like "Minecraft runs like a garbage truck in a blizzard" I'll get a bunch of agrees but when I give an idea on how to fix that problem those same people would rather do nothing to fix it.

Using C++ won't fix the problem.
Fixing Notch's hacky-ass code will.

[Zero-Point]

ZombieWaffle posted:

Using C++ won't fix the problem.
Fixing Notch's hacky-ass code will.

The sad truth is that they'll probably have to re-write the entire engine just to make it not run like ass.

[ManningQB18]

Zero-Point posted:

The sad truth is that they'll probably have to re-write the entire engine just to make it not run like ass.

Actually, I bet it would run pretty well. It may be inefficient, but it would run on pretty much anything. The project that ported Android to C# made it more than 5x faster in some cases, so Java is just terrible at everything from what I can tell. C++ is much better, although it would be somewhat difficult to port over.

[assassin_Raptor]

Foogooman posted:

Someone tell me why creating a C++ version would be dumb.


It's only a question of money, which Notch has plenty of.

Jesus christ shut up. Why would you even code java for mac and C++ for PC.

1. Its stupid to have different coding languages for your game.
2. Modders would have to learn C++, java is a good beginners language hence why its easy to mod minecraft.
3. You dont need to start from scratch and make code it in c++ there is a lot of optimization they can do to make it not lag.
4. Everyone in Mojang to my knowledge codes in java, why would they want to hire more people.
5. Your being extremely ignorant.


It would be really nice for them to optimize the game, since it has the core of the game from notch, poorly optimized, and then more optimized when he formed the company and jeb worked on it. All they need to do is just streamline the code and optimize it. No need to start the game from scratch in another language. That would just piss off the entire modding community and updates would most likely halt.

[TehWhale]

Java is shit. And you don't necessarily have to make mods in C, Minetest uses C for the core (which is cross platform) and lua for the mods (which is also cross platform).

[Jurikuer]

Over heard a couple guys at work talking about Minecraft and it's Xbox release. One mentioned cross platform play. I laughed. Not only do the versions have to be the same, but I imagine coding such a thing and have it stable would be quite the chore. Especially since one is in C++ and the other is in Jaffa.

[TehWhale]

Jurikuer posted:

Over heard a couple guys at work talking about Minecraft and it's Xbox release. One mentioned cross platform play. I laughed. Not only do the versions have to be the same, but I imagine coding such a thing and have it stable would be quite the chore. Especially since one is in C++ and the other is in Jaffa.

One is in XNA which is C# and the other is in Java

[Foogooman]

ZombieWaffle posted:

Using C++ won't fix the problem.
Fixing Notch's hacky-ass code will.

From the beginning I have been saying they should hire new C++ coders. Notch wouldn't be coding it at all.

[vexx21322]

Sgt Doom posted:

Anyone know a quick and easy tool or mod with which I can see ore distributions in a world? I want to check if ExtraBiomesXL and CustomOreGen are conflicting or otherwise acting weird.

You can use mc map and set ore to be the only block that renders.

[Foogooman]

assassin_Raptor posted:

Jesus christ shut up. Why would you even code java for mac and C++ for PC.

1. Its stupid to have different coding languages for your game.
2. Modders would have to learn C++, java is a good beginners language hence why its easy to mod minecraft.
3. You dont need to start from scratch and make code it in c++ there is a lot of optimization they can do to make it not lag.
4. Everyone in Mojang to my knowledge codes in java, why would they want to hire more people.
5. Your being extremely ignorant.


It would be really nice for them to optimize the game, since it has the core of the game from notch, poorly optimized, and then more optimized when he formed the company and jeb worked on it. All they need to do is just streamline the code and optimize it. No need to start the game from scratch in another language. That would just piss off the entire modding community and updates would most likely halt.

1. If it's stupid then why did Mojang do it for the 360? They coded it to work with the 360 platform, just the same way they should code it to work with the PC platform.
2. There are a lot of people that already know C++ too. How do you know there wouldn't be better, or even more modders if they could use C++?
3. Minecraft has NEVER been well optimized and it's probably never going to be. Search the patch notes for "optimize". You won't find anything. Half the idea is to hire new employees that know how to code.
4. So that they could make a version of Minecraft that doesn't appear to be coded by a freshman who just took his first java class? They can afford the employees.