1. Post #561
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    March 2005
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    For the last 4 hours I have been working on putting Arch on a USB key and to make it run on an old thin client. Now that I finally made it work I realize the thin client has a i586 CPU which means I can't install stuff from the repo (which is i686). Well fuck me.
    Try Debian?

    Or you could always try Gentoo if you're feeling masochistic.
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  2. Post #562
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    drblah's Avatar
    September 2005
    188 Posts
    Gentoo on a 800 Mhz VIA? NONO, at least not with local compiler setup.
    Debian seems like the second best to Arch.

    Meh... Debian turns out to be super slow compared to Arch.
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  3. Post #563
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    July 2008
    3,478 Posts
    So I have an old computer around, with about 750MB of RAM and an old 2.4 Ghz Pentium 4, and I was wondering what Linux distro I could put on it.
    I first thought Puppy Linux or something of the sort was the best bet, but then I wondered if there were any more of the normal distros that could work.
    I looked at Fedora but it requires 1GB of RAM :(
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  4. Post #564
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    March 2005
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    So I have an old computer around, with about 750MB of RAM and an old 2.4 Ghz Pentium 4, and I was wondering what Linux distro I could put on it.
    I first thought Puppy Linux or something of the sort was the best bet, but then I wondered if there were any more of the normal distros that could work.
    I looked at Fedora but it requires 1GB of RAM :(
    You could try the LXDE or Xfce versions of Fedora.
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  5. Post #565
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    February 2008
    10,842 Posts
    alright so I'm having a little problem with ubuntu on one of my old laptops I use as a htpc and stuff
    so one day I logged off and logged on on the laptop for some reason, but when I was re-logging on I didn't notice that the mode had been changed to Ubuntu Notebook (or similar) instead of Ubuntu Desktop. This means that now there is nothing on the desktop sans the wallpaper. I also cant see my course, but can still use keyboard shortcuts.
    Now my question is, how to I log off and then re-log-on with Ubuntu Desktop enabled?
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  6. Post #566
    Played it for the plot
    Dennab
    October 2008
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    haven't been through here in a while, don't know if that's a good sign or a bad one. to be honest, it's been a couple of months since I've used UNIX. I've forgotten some things.

    In FreeBSD, who can help me set ~/lib to function like /usr/lib without root access?
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  7. Post #567
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    June 2010
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    In FreeBSD, who can help me set ~/lib to function like /usr/lib without root access?
    If you're compiling something, most compilers have an -L option. Use it like so:
    Code:
    gcc main.o -o main -L~/lib -lmylib
    Or if you're using autotools you can specify some CFLAGS:
    Code:
    CFLAGS="-L~/lib" ./configure
    make
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  8. Post #568
    I fucking hate Lori.
    Moofy's Avatar
    April 2010
    2,414 Posts
    Cat wait for Ubuntu 12.04, going to shift to it when it's out of Beta.
    And yes i did try it in Beta. Really love it, mainly because it's great for the stuff i need it for.

    Also feels good going back to the first Distro i tried.
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  9. Post #569
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    Lyokanthrope's Avatar
    October 2005
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    Cat wait for Ubuntu 12.04, going to shift to it when it's out of Beta.
    And yes i did try it in Beta. Really love it, mainly because it's great for the stuff i need it for.

    Also feels good going back to the first Distro i tried.
    Yeah, I have to admit, 12.04 looks like its shaping up really nicely. 2012 will be a good year for Ubuntu.
    (2011 was a disaster )
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  10. Post #570
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    Lyokanthrope's Avatar
    October 2005
    7,071 Posts
    GNOME 3.4 is finally in [community], huzzah! (and also GTK3 3.4)
    not that I use it.
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  11. Post #571
    T3hGamerDK's Avatar
    January 2011
    2,551 Posts
    Just changed to Arch Linux, and really liking it again. I've gone away from using the Gentoo-based system Sabayon, which I had used on my USB to conserve space while still remaining flexible enough for me.
    That doesn't really matter to me now that I'm having 60G on my fiances laptop!
    Huzzarh!
    Also using Compiz standalone rocks.
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  12. Post #572
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    Lyokanthrope's Avatar
    October 2005
    7,071 Posts
    oh god, Ubuntu 12.10's name will be Quantal Quetzal.
    They just went plain-out silly with this one.
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  13. Post #573
    I fucking hate Lori.
    Moofy's Avatar
    April 2010
    2,414 Posts
    Okay so since the release of Ubuntu 12.10 is first on October 18, i installed Ubuntu 11.10 just to get into it again.
    Now a little problem, sometimes my mouse freezes on startup? And then i need to hold my power button down and restart my PC.

    Any fix?

    Oh and any good Ubuntu themes? Right now i only have Ambiance and Radiance.
    I don't dig them.
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  14. Post #574
    q0q
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    Okay so since the release of Ubuntu 12.10 is first on October 18, i installed Ubuntu 11.10 just to get into it again.
    Now a little problem, sometimes my mouse freezes on startup? And then i need to hold my power button down and restart my PC.

    Any fix?

    Oh and any good Ubuntu themes? Right now i only have Ambiance and Radiance.
    I don't dig them.
    lol ubuntu themes


    they're called Gtk themes or Gnome themes
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  15. Post #575
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    Lyokanthrope's Avatar
    October 2005
    7,071 Posts
    Okay so since the release of Ubuntu 12.10 is first on October 18, i installed Ubuntu 11.10 just to get into it again.
    Now a little problem, sometimes my mouse freezes on startup? And then i need to hold my power button down and restart my PC.

    Any fix?

    Oh and any good Ubuntu themes? Right now i only have Ambiance and Radiance.
    I don't dig them.
    Just look on gnome-look.org, you're sure to find anything you'd like in the way of themes..
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  16. Post #576
    I fucking hate Lori.
    Moofy's Avatar
    April 2010
    2,414 Posts
    lol ubuntu themes


    they're called Gtk themes or Gnome themes
    Sorry.

    Edited:

    Alright then on to a more ADVANCED question then which i have completely no idea on how to fix!
    Taken from other thread:
    if you want archey for debian based systems (ubuntu, mint, debian) then you can use this to download it and install it:

    Code:
    wget https://github.com/downloads/djmelik/archey/archey-0.2.8.deb
    
    sudo dpkg -i archey-0.2.8.deb
    if you install it on arch linux, you need to take it from the AUR

    Here's the link:
    http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=40420

    and here is a small tutorial, on how to install packages from the AUR: LINK

    when you have archey installed, you can execute it in terminal by typing in "archey"

    if you want to display the archey informations, when you open up the terminal, you need to edit the ~/.bashrc file.

    if the .bashrc file doesen't exist in your home directory, then you need to create it first. Then you need to adit the file, and add the entry "archey" somewhere into the file.
    Okay so i installed as told, and i know where the CONFIG file is. under: /usr/bin/archey, problem is when in terminal i type: "archey" it says permission denied.
    Using: Ubuntu 11.10 - Fresh installed from like 20 minutes ago.

    Oh and while on it. I managed to install it before, i just didn't knew how to change the logo thingy, and is it a possible to make the "archey" command execute itself on terminal start?
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  17. Post #577
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    Lyokanthrope's Avatar
    October 2005
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    Sorry.

    Edited:

    Alright then on to a more ADVANCED question then which i have completely no idea on how to fix!
    Taken from other thread:


    Okay so i installed as told, and i know where the CONFIG file is. under: /usr/bin/archey, problem is when in terminal i type: "archey" it says permission denied.
    Using: Ubuntu 11.10 - Fresh installed from like 20 minutes ago.

    Oh and while on it. I managed to install it before, i just didn't knew how to change the logo thingy, and is it a possible to make the "archey" command execute itself on terminal start?
    Try running chmod +x /usr/bin/archey as root (or sudo)
    Also, it says how to run it on terminal start in that post..Add it to the end of your ~/.bashrc.
    Generally just adding
    archey &
    will work, I think.
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  18. Post #578
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    Moofy's Avatar
    April 2010
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    Try running chmod +x /usr/bin/archey as root (or sudo)
    Also, it says how to run it on terminal start in that post..Add it to the end of your ~/.bashrc.
    Generally just adding
    archey &
    will work, I think.
    Okay so i did what you said and it wouldn't work.
    However i did:
    Code:
    sudo -i apt-get install -f
    because my update manager was broken.
    Now everything works, oh jesus yes!

    But how do i set archey to launch at star? I know the ~/.bashrc. file, but where is it located?
    I tried looking through my file system. /usr/bin/?? and everywhere else.

    I know in the post it says in my home. But does it meen my home folder where i have my documents or what?

    Edited:

    Okay so i found the file bash.bashrc under /etc/.. i open it and save it the same place after i add the word "archey" to it? I just added it at the bottom of the file.
    But if i am doing this right, then it says i dont have permission to do this.
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  19. Post #579
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    January 2011
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    Okay so i did what you said and it wouldn't work.
    However i did:
    Code:
    sudo -i apt-get install -f
    because my update manager was broken.
    Now everything works, oh jesus yes!

    But how do i set archey to launch at star? I know the ~/.bashrc. file, but where is it located?
    I tried looking through my file system. /usr/bin/?? and everywhere else.

    I know in the post it says in my home. But does it meen my home folder where i have my documents or what?

    Edited:

    Okay so i found the file bash.bashrc under /etc/.. i open it and save it the same place after i add the word "archey" to it? I just added it at the bottom of the file.
    But if i am doing this right, then it says i dont have permission to do this.
    What the fuck?
    The ~ is the symbol for your home folder. The dot at the beginning of the file name means the file is hidden. Press ctrl+h to toggle showing hidden files, then edit the file.
    And your home folder is the directory containing your documents folder, as well as picture and music folder.
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  20. Post #580
    I fucking hate Lori.
    Moofy's Avatar
    April 2010
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    What the fuck?
    The ~ is the symbol for your home folder. The dot at the beginning of the file name means the file is hidden. Press ctrl+h to toggle showing hidden files, then edit the file.
    And your home folder is the directory containing your documents folder, as well as picture and music folder.
    Aaaah. I learned something today.
    Thanks a lot.
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  21. Post #581
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    September 2005
    188 Posts
    Finally got Debian up and running on my thin client. Ideally I should have used something like SliTaz but I couldn't make it boot from USB.
    Does anyone have any ideas on how to slim Debian down? At the moment my setup is running at 104 MB out of 109 MB memory so it is practically running everything from swap.

    Edited:

    Wow. Just shaved off 50 MB by killing dhclient and setting up static IP. How the fuck?

    Never mind, it was just because I rebooted.
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  22. Post #582
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    May 2007
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    GNOME 3.4 is finally in [community], huzzah! (and also GTK3 3.4)
    not that I use it.
    And I am so glad Centos is still on Gnome 2, Gnome 3 is an abomination
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  23. Post #583
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    Lyokanthrope's Avatar
    October 2005
    7,071 Posts
    And I am so glad Centos is still on Gnome 2, Gnome 3 is an abomination
    I don't see what the hate is about with GNOME 3...It's different, sure, but I think it's becoming for the better.
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  24. Post #584
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    I don't see what the hate is about with GNOME 3...It's different, sure, but I think it's becoming for the better.
    If Gnome 3 is for the better, then I definitely don't wanna see what they mean is for the worse.
    Are they trying to make KDE look great in comparison?
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  25. Post #585
    I fucking hate Lori.
    Moofy's Avatar
    April 2010
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    Okay so i have this dude in my class yelling at me why i use GNOME 3 and Ubuntu, saying i should downgrade and set everything up myself.

    Now, he says i should do Gentoo, Debian and what not.
    Alright, so can someone tell me why everyone hates new things? And why everyone want's to do everything by by hand.

    Tell me, should i start learn getting the "hard" stuff, it's no secret i have no idea how thing work here.
    Where did you guys learn all about Linux? Because i feel like.. I use this. Done.
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  26. Post #586
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    January 2009
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    Okay so i have this dude in my class yelling at me why i use GNOME 3 and Ubuntu, saying i should downgrade and set everything up myself.

    Now, he says i should do Gentoo, Debian and what not.
    Alright, so can someone tell me why everyone hates new things? And why everyone want's to do everything by by hand.

    Tell me, should i start learn getting the "hard" stuff, it's no secret i have no idea how thing work here.
    Where did you guys learn all about Linux? Because i feel like.. I use this. Done.
    It's generally not a bad idea to try something like Gentoo or Arch Linux though. You really do learn a lot about Linux in general.
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  27. Post #587
    I fucking hate Lori.
    Moofy's Avatar
    April 2010
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    It's generally not a bad idea to try something like Gentoo or Arch Linux though. You really do learn a lot about Linux in general.
    Yea i want to learn, problem is i don't know where to get some information.

    Generally i wan't to install Gentoo, but im the type of guy who really cares about the looks.
    I wan't Arch, i just think that i have NO idea when you get to the pacman part an on.
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  28. Post #588
    q0q
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    im the type of guy who really cares about the looks.
    this makes me question your linuxability.

    also, gnome 3 takes away user independence, that's why it blows.
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  29. Post #589
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    Yea i want to learn, problem is i don't know where to get some information.

    Generally i wan't to install Gentoo, but im the type of guy who really cares about the looks.
    I wan't Arch, i just think that i have NO idea when you get to the pacman part an on.
    The ArchWiki is really good, for beginners and experienced people alike, at least in my opinion. Try https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Beginners%27_Guide for example. Installing Arch is reasonably easy; you have an interactive installer which guides you through the most important parts, unlike Gentoo (if I recall correctly).

    And even if you don't succeed at first, you still learn a lot about the process.

    Edited:

    I won't be of help when it comes to looks, though. I've always found Linux lacking in that area. Don't get me wrong, I've seen great looking desktops, but I can never seem to find good themes, and gnome-look is a pain to browse through, in my opinion.
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  30. Post #590
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    Moofy's Avatar
    April 2010
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    The ArchWiki is really good, for beginners and experienced people alike, at least in my opinion. Try https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Beginners%27_Guide for example. Installing Arch is reasonably easy; you have an interactive installer which guides you through the most important parts, unlike Gentoo (if I recall correctly).

    And even if you don't succeed at first, you still learn a lot about the process.
    You seem like a guy who knows a bunch.
    Do you know how long the process will take for a newbie?

    Oh and, will i at any point need a wired connection for setting up wireless in Arch?
    I hear i don't but people i know IRL say's i need.

    Should i believe Facepunch or my friends from kindergarden? Oh fuck them, go Facepunch!
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  31. Post #591
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    You seem like a guy who knows a bunch.
    Do you know how long the process will take for a newbie?

    Oh and, will i at any point need a wired connection for setting up wireless in Arch?
    I hear i don't but people i know IRL say's i need.

    Should i believe Facepunch or my friends from kindergarden? Oh fuck them, go Facepunch!
    The Beginner's Guide should guide you through the process. Ideally you'd have a second PC or laptop that you can use to read the guide while you're installing. It's pretty detailed and explaining.

    You don't need a wired connection to set up wireless. I believe both the core and netinstall images come with wireless tools. Again, the beginner's guide explains this is more detail than I can.
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  32. Post #592
    I fucking hate Lori.
    Moofy's Avatar
    April 2010
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    The Beginner's Guide should guide you through the process. Ideally you'd have a second PC or laptop that you can use to read the guide while you're installing. It's pretty detailed and explaining.

    You don't need a wired connection to set up wireless. I believe both the core and netinstall images come with wireless tools. Again, the beginner's guide explains this is more detail than I can.
    I do have a second PC.

    But do you recommend Arch right away?
    Should i try Debian first or something else?
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  33. Post #593
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    I do have a second PC.

    But do you recommend Arch right away?
    Should i try Debian first or something else?
    Jesus, try it out in a virtualized environment first.
    Virtualbox or something like that.
    Not to mention Virtualbox supports taking "snapshots" of the VM, so you can easily revert back to a previous state.
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  34. Post #594
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    I do have a second PC.

    But do you recommend Arch right away?
    Should i try Debian first or something else?
    If you're able to, it would probably be wise to install it in a Virtual Machine first. You wouldn't have to give it a lot of memory nor disk space, especially if you're doing a basic install to get the right idea.
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  35. Post #595
    I fucking hate Lori.
    Moofy's Avatar
    April 2010
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    And so for desktop enviorment i should choose.. GNOME 2?
    If im correct?
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  36. Post #596
    q0q
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    And so for desktop enviorment i should choose.. GNOME 2?
    If im correct?
    Xfce is my personal favourite, it is very lightweight yet very customizable. Gnome 2 (MATE as it is known now) is alright but a bit bloaty, Lxde is incredibly lightweight but lacks the features of most full desktop enviroments, and KDE has a ton of eye candy but also is the most heavyweight of all. Razor QT is really nice as well, it ranks close to Xfce in terms of lightweight, but is still lacking a bit on features due to it being somewhat new.

    Edited:

    Xfce is my personal favourite, it is very lightweight yet very customizable. Gnome 2 (MATE as it is known now) is alright but a bit bloaty, Lxde is incredibly lightweight but lacks the features of most full desktop enviroments, and KDE has a ton of eye candy but also is the most heavyweight of all. Razor QT is really nice as well, it ranks close to Xfce in terms of lightweight, but is still lacking a bit on features due to it being somewhat new.
    In terms of my personal Arch install, I use Openbox standalone.
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  37. Post #597
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    And so for desktop enviorment i should choose.. GNOME 2?
    If im correct?
    It really comes down to personal preference. I suggest you just try a few different to see which you prefer.
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  38. Post #598
    I fucking hate Lori.
    Moofy's Avatar
    April 2010
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    Xfce is my personal favourite, it is very lightweight yet very customizable. Gnome 2 (MATE as it is known now) is alright but a bit bloaty, Lxde is incredibly lightweight but lacks the features of most full desktop enviroments, and KDE has a ton of eye candy but also is the most heavyweight of all. Razor QT is really nice as well, it ranks close to Xfce in terms of lightweight, but is still lacking a bit on features due to it being somewhat new.

    Edited:



    In terms of my personal Arch install, I use Openbox standalone.
    Ive looked on it.
    It feels like it is a bit, too lightweight?
    How customizible is it?

    Normally i would say KDE, but after my experience with it on Linux Mint i will never touch it again.

    Edited:

    It really comes down to personal preference. I suggest you just try a few different to see which you prefer.
    Ya', but what i meen is that i have no idea really on how Linux "works".
    I feel like i just Google stuff i heard about that i wan't, find terminal command and get it done.

    There is no, me in it. I just find the information and thats all.
    I really don't learn anything.
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  39. Post #599
    q0q
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    February 2012
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    Xfce is extremely customizable and lightweight, in my opinion if you're going to go for a full desktop environment you might as well go with Xfce.

    Here's some examples from the Arch forum of what you can make Xfce look like with some tlc.

    https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=84840&p=12
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  40. Post #600
    I fucking hate Lori.
    Moofy's Avatar
    April 2010
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    Xfce is extremely customizable and lightweight, in my opinion if you're going to go for a full desktop environment you might as well go with Xfce.

    Here's some examples from the Arch forum of what you can make Xfce look like with some tlc.

    https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=84840&p=12
    Wow, first i thought you were a douche.
    You seem like a cool guy, well when you don't call newbies dumbasses.

    Thanks for your support!

    Edited:

    EMERGENCY!

    So i installed Xubuntu on my moms netbook.
    Everything works but get this: "JAVA wont run in firefox, which makes it crash".

    She needs java to go into her Bank account online.
    Now i wen't to Ubuntu Software Center - and downloaded java, it would still not work.

    After some time it did work when i installed the "restricted areas" for Xubuntu.
    Found it on "LinuxQuestions" forum. Now it ran, but Firefox crashes when it launches the java applet.

    I uninstalled Java completely, now it just says that java is not installed.

    If any help, can you please just give me the terminal codes? I find them better than software center.

    ALSO! I did:
    Code:
    sudo apt-get update
    Code:
    sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre sun-java6-plugin sun-java6-fonts
    It just tells me that the packages does not exists?
    Need help badly, also soon as possible!

    And the extras i talked about:
    Code:
    sudo apt-get install xubuntu-restricted-extras
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