1. Post #241
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    BackSapper's Avatar
    February 2009
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    All invoker has to do is get tornado and emp then he's instantly good.
    An invoker who only utilizes Quas and Wex is useless, he has 5 other spells he can use. Someone that only burns mana and disables is barely anything. You can use 9 spells within 55 seconds.

    And it depends on how you level, if you level Quas over Wex, you have a really weak mana burn. Wex over Quas, you have a mana burn that is easily dodgeable due to the short tornado disable. People need to utilize different spells of him more.
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  2. Post #242
    Dennab
    December 2009
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    in dota everything is op
    therefore balanced
    DoTA, DoTA 2, LoL heroes look like citizens compared to HoN heroes. Then again, HoN is a harder game. At least for me.

    I recommended they put a commendation page at the end of every game along side the scoreboard. Hope they do since no one cares about commendations.. at least it'll push it out a little bit.
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  3. Post #243
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    Dennab
    December 2011
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    I'm gonna try Voker in an actual game, how exactly do you level specific abilities up?
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  4. Post #244
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    Rats808's Avatar
    June 2005
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    I'm gonna try Voker in an actual game, how exactly do you level specific abilities up?
    You can't level his spells individually. You level Quas, Wex, or Exort, and when you use a spell with whatever reagent, the reagent's level affects part of the spell.

    For example, with Tornado, which uses Quas and Wex. Each time you level Quas, you extend the amount of time people hit by tornado will stay up in the air, and each time you level Wex, you extend how far the tornado will travel.
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  5. Post #245
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    Dennab
    December 2011
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    You can't level his spells individually. You level Quas, Wex, or Exort, and when you use a spell with whatever reagent, the reagent's level affects part of the spell.

    For example, with Tornado, which uses Quas and Wex. Each time you level Quas, you extend the amount of time people hit by tornado will stay up in the air, and each time you level Wex, you extend how far the tornado will travel.
    Perfect, thanks.

    Edited:
    What's an ideal build for him?
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  6. Post #246
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    NomadicNinja's Avatar
    March 2007
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    he's a very versatile hero meaning that he can build any number of items and be useful

    ideally i guess you should aim for a scythe of vyse and aghanims for core items

    once you get those items, the rest of your build depends on the enemy team comp i suppose

    boots wise, phase and treads work well choose whichever you like better although if you're going wex-quas go for phase but if not, go for treads

    Edited:

    http://www.playdota.com/guides/for-my-people

    very helpful guide
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  7. Post #247
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    June 2005
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    Perfect, thanks.

    Edited:
    What's an ideal build for him?
    Haven't played him in a bit, but my build was Phase Boots, Drum of Endurance, Eul's, BKB. Last two items depended on the enemy team, never got Agh's because I only played him a few times and PROBABLY wouldn't have used it to it's potential if I had gotten it. (Mind you, I always maxed Wex first and Quas second, so depending on how you level his abilities you should adjust your build accordingly.)
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  8. Post #248
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    Smashman's Avatar
    September 2009
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    And then I played a game against Purge.
    We beat his entire team hard! \/
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  9. Post #249
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    titopei's Avatar
    April 2009
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    An invoker who only utilizes Quas and Wex is useless, he has 5 other spells he can use. Someone that only burns mana and disables is barely anything. You can use 9 spells within 55 seconds.

    And it depends on how you level, if you level Quas over Wex, you have a really weak mana burn. Wex over Quas, you have a mana burn that is easily dodgeable due to the short tornado disable. People need to utilize different spells of him more.
    In a pub, he's not useless. It's pretty much like lichs ult, my whole team will stand in the path of the tornado then get their mana drained by EMP.

    Edited:

    Then the rest of his team will proceed to bend us over and have their way with us.
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  10. Post #250
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    June 2005
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    And then I played a game against Purge.
    We beat his entire team hard! \/
    Aaaand you just joined his private match.
    /watching the stream because I don't feel like playing right now.

    Edited:

    If you do bad, we will know.
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  11. Post #251
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    Smashman's Avatar
    September 2009
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    Aaaand you just joined his private match.
    /watching the stream because I don't feel like playing right now.

    Edited:

    If you do bad, we will know.
    I played awfully as Lich today.
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  12. Post #252
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    Dennab
    December 2011
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    I think I did okay, I had very mixed feelings. Early game I loved him, and then mid I disliked him, and then late game when my ult had 2> cd I loved the shit out of him.
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  13. Post #253
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    September 2009
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    apparently people have a bed time on friday or something and nobody ever bothers to come into the chat when i announce inhouses.
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  14. Post #254
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    Dennab
    December 2011
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    >get hooked into 1v5 as voker
    >ghost walk and stroll on out

    oh man i love him
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  15. Post #255
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    September 2009
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    man i love the league of legends players, so smart.

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  16. Post #256
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    Smashman's Avatar
    September 2009
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    Beardy, you no allowed to play.
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  17. Post #257
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    September 2009
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    i am making a series called: THE ADVENTURES OF BEARDY ON TWITCH.TV



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    and the stupidity continues

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  18. Post #258
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    Smashman's Avatar
    September 2009
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    Ammo limit on towers.
    Bahaha.
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  19. Post #259
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    Tokagero's Avatar
    February 2007
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    Ah, now I remember my Invoker question I still can't seem to know answer for.

    Why everyone builds Drums on him? To be even faster with Wex? Cause it's a nice item and only when you play Invoker you happen to notice? Because it rhymes with Property Insurance?
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  20. Post #260
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    September 2009
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    Ah, now I remember my Invoker question I still can't seem to know answer for.

    Why everyone builds Drums on him? To be even faster with Wex? Cause it's a nice item and only when you play Invoker you happen to notice? Because it rhymes with Property Insurance?
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  21. Post #261
    Doughnuts's Avatar
    September 2011
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    If anyone would invite me to the group that would be awesome
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  22. Post #262
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    Tokagero's Avatar
    February 2007
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    Honestly. Invoker and Spiritbreaker almost always get this item, compared to other heroes who get it occasionally. While Spiritbreaker is rather obvious, Invoker seems semi-strange to get this item every game.
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  23. Post #263
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    Dennab
    December 2011
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    If anyone would invite me to the group that would be awesome
    Sent.
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  24. Post #264
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    September 2009
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    I was merely referring to the last sentence.
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  25. Post #265
    Doughnuts's Avatar
    September 2011
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    Sent.
    Thanks mate
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  26. Post #266
    Lenzikus's Avatar
    April 2011
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    I want a Dota 2 beta key so bad!!!
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  27. Post #267
    Is that a rocket in your pocket?
    Dr.Scrake's Avatar
    March 2010
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    I want a Dota 2 beta key so bad!!!
    ok!!! go ask valve!!!
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  28. Post #268
    Nelth's Avatar
    October 2009
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    Honestly. Invoker and Spiritbreaker almost always get this item, compared to other heroes who get it occasionally. While Spiritbreaker is rather obvious, Invoker seems semi-strange to get this item every game.
    Ohh I dunno, maybe because if you have max Wex, Phase boots, Eul's and Drums you have 522 move speed when you use your phase. Don't mind me let me just walk away from this gank.
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  29. Post #269
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    December 2007
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    I think I'm ready for the practice groups. May I get the invite?
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  30. Post #270
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    February 2007
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    Ohh I dunno, maybe because if you have max Wex, Phase boots, Eul's and Drums you have 522 move speed when you use your phase. Don't mind me let me just walk away from this gank.
    Ah, Eul. Ye, I did check movement speed on the guys with drums, but now that I think I've rarely seen that scepter. This explains it. Thanks.
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  31. Post #271
    Lenzikus's Avatar
    April 2011
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    ok!!! go ask valve!!!
    But seriously, Dota 2 is always in the top 10 currently most played on Steam. Why do so much people have the key, but I don't?
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  32. Post #272
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    February 2007
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    By ze way.

    Heroes like Chen, Beast Master, Enigma, Furion, Enchantress, Brood Mother, Venomancer, Warlock, Invoker. Those that are in Dota 2 for now and usually have other units under their control.

    Veno is rather simple, you just have to place the wards in good places. Warlock's golem isn't hard either. Enigma and Furion are tricky to be efficient with, but basic usage is easy aswell. Invoker's spirits are not problem from what I've seen.

    Now, Beast Master with his Bird, Boar and (usually) Necronomicon - I tend to get lost in a teamfight if I start ordering them to do something (Bird - follow runner, Boar - slow down someone, Necros - kill stuff and burn mana) and unless I have my HoT already I might die.

    Brood Mother - spiders are weak on their own, but if you amass enough of them is it better to :
    - Use them for surrounding enemy
    - Use them to jungle a camp or two
    - Use them to push a lane
    - Depends, as they are good at all of these

    Enchantress - apart from jungling and early ganks, should I even bother controlling creeps? I guess a Centaur in a fight is nice, but what about more than 1 creep ? Any tips here ?

    Chen - thankfully, I haven't played him yet, but I guess he is tricky. Any advices if I happen to random him ?

    Edited:

    But seriously, Dota 2 is always in the top 10 currently most played on Steam. Why do so much people have the key, but I don't?
    Luck, purely. Probably half of the Steam population filled in the request for Dota 2 beta key, yet there are 20,000 or so people online at any given moment (sometimes down to 15k). This is, still, closed beta, it will open up pretty soon. At least thats what I think based on recent blog post.

    And it's probably in top 10 most played because its addictive as fuck and there is only brief window when you can think "allright, enough for today" and that's between the matches. 10 second to 1 minute window vs half-full hour match.
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  33. Post #273
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    July 2006
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    An invoker who only utilizes Quas and Wex is useless, he has 5 other spells he can use. Someone that only burns mana and disables is barely anything. You can use 9 spells within 55 seconds.

    And it depends on how you level, if you level Quas over Wex, you have a really weak mana burn. Wex over Quas, you have a mana burn that is easily dodgeable due to the short tornado disable. People need to utilize different spells of him more.
    Do you have a guide for using Invoker? Right now I'm operating off of one ability and item build, which, unfortunately, mainly utilizes Tornado and EMP. I know some of his other spells by heart, though I don't get a chance to use them, and I'd really like to be more flexible with him.

    The way I tend to play I get a lot of assists but no kills, and mostly mid to late game.
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  34. Post #274
    pink titles r for gaylordes
    WarRage333's Avatar
    March 2008
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    Bony the Boner king strikes once more.



    I love him <3
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  35. Post #275
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    Dennab
    November 2006
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    I'd make my avatar Ursa... But this avatar is just... Too.. hypnotizing not to get rid of.

    Damn you Dota2.
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  36. Post #276
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    December 2005
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    me and lina roamed from the get-go, first blooded earthshaker bot lane for spectre and they had invoker & AM mid so it was solo on side lanes. just ran around ganking everyone and carries got farm and kills :)
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  37. Post #277
    Gabe Newell's Avatar
    March 2011
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    sven and lina are an extreme combo
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  38. Post #278
    Dennab
    September 2011
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    I got 50 loses today.
    I feel happy.
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  39. Post #279
    Belivo's Avatar
    May 2011
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    Use them for surrounding enemy
    This is utter bullshit, you're basically rooted if they are inside the web.

    Was standing still in lane for a change, was baiting for brood to attack me. She didn't come so I tried to move a bit, I couldn't I thought it was lag but nope; she surrounded me with invis spiderlings.
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  40. Post #280
    Doughnuts's Avatar
    September 2011
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    This is utter bullshit, you're basically rooted if they are inside the web.

    Was standing still in lane for a change, was baiting for brood to attack me. She didn't come so I tried to move a bit, I couldn't I thought it was lag but nope; she surrounded me with invis spiderlings.
    Dust and wards. Brood is so easy to gank. Anyone want to q? add me
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