Let's continue this
Let's continue this
my new "attainable" dream car
Of course this:
But also this actually:
Because it looks quite like the original unlike alot of failed remakes of classic cars and it doesn't try to be a sporty version of something that was never meant to be sporty
I always liked the look of the S class.
It's like that chubby chick that you still find sort of attractive. Shame it never went into production.
Full of want
Yeah, I see them as the ultimate street legal cart. What drivetrain was in the one you drove?
Edit: Just realized I read the post as you drove one for a few minutes.
Well all of them had a Vtec engine of sort, but weather it was the R spec B-series or the newer K powered ones. It's a shame it's not easier to put the F20 in one, I'm not personally partial to the K series for a list of reasons.
I'm also no big fan of the K series. Ever since some large black guy came up to me when I was changing an intake manifold for my friend (who was at work in the Wal-mart TLE at the time, so I was in a parking lot) on his D16Y8, asked me what I drove, pointed to my boosted CRX sitting a couple spaces over. He told me we were "pussies" and we needed to "step up" and that he had 3 K powered EKs.
I could give two fucks. My little light-ass turbo D15 CRX could probably have walked all over his stock K series EK, and I had ~$600 total in the car at the time (including buying it, basically). It's not that the K series isn't a good platform, it's just that B series can make as much power (F/H series, even) and D can get pretty close, for nowhere near the money you'd spend on just getting a K swapped into anything pre-2001.
Don't look at me as a lover of the K, I'm far from it. I've had a few built D-series and honestly would not buy a B just because everyone seems to think you need two cams to be fast. While my next engine in the toy car will be a single cam as well it will be over 2 liters, its big block time.
I've have blown the doors off many k powered hondas with my lil baby D and in my days as a EMS tuner I see the potential in all engines not just what the media or popular crowd tells me is cool.
Not a fan of the later years
As for looks:
(digital rendering, but w/e)
Going a little old school
Compared to the older generation, this new one is fantastic:
Man what I would do to have a car like this
Us Versus Them truck.
My Coworker is cousins with the owner of the brand.
Pretty cool, I get lots of free merch, and it made me want my own 50's car / truck.
I'd own a B series, not because "everyone thinks you need two cams to go fast", but because there ARE limits to the D platform, namely the cylinder wall thickness, poor headflow, and 10mm head studs. B series gives you thicker cylinders, far better head selection, 11mm bolts (or studs, really), and the advantage of being able to degree timing for each camshaft. All of this helps when you're going for big numbers. The advantages the B series has over D series is why you can find B series engines in the 600hp+ range a lot more than D series. I've seen a lot of D's hit 600, 650, and even one to 800 but the longest one I know of lasted a total of 12 races (It was built by.... some speed shop owner that frequents d-series.org).
Anywho, if I wanted two cams for the sake of having two cams, I know what I'd be going for:
I have thousands of posts on D-series.org and have been tuning cars for years and while I agree with some of your points there are a few that would only matter on a stock engine. Cam timing for instance, if you have the right custom grind from the start you would not really need to do a lot of cam degree adjustment and I could argue that cylinder wall thickness isn't even really a problem if you are not experiencing detonation. The B series may have it's slight advantages but there are plenty of easy workarounds to get a D or other engine into the power range your after. Besides, anything over 350 in a FWD is about useless on the streets.
I guess I just got sick of all the local ricer trash constantly spouting off false info like "More cams = more power" so I enjoy rocking the single cams. Next build however I'm going big block, non-vtec, single cam :D and its also one of the best flowing heads honda made can you guess which?
Also I do have much love for a b20 and would buy one in a heartbeat if some B series parts were not so expensive. A decent tranny for instance.
This one, 73' Ford Mustang Mach 1
Cylinder wall thickness is always a problem under high boost! This, coupled with the smaller diameter head studs that the D series is stuck with, is the crippling flaw in the D series block. WHo knows, maybe Dart could make someone a nice 12mm threaded block with some good sleeves for the right money, but it'd probably cost a lot. And degreeing cams is something anyone (including those who get regrinds/aftermarket cams) to get optimal valve timing for their tune. It's easier to separate exhaust and intake valve timing using seperate cams than it is with a single cam running both ends (Mind you, this makes hardly ANY difference, we're talking fractions of a degree at best). And I'm not talking street, who cares about street driveability when you're dumping thousands into a race engine.
I do hate it when people do swaps just for the sake of swapping though... Cool, you spent $1500 on a motor and tranny (Which is usually what complete notec LS swaps go for here) and then another $250 for mounts and a linkage and you're making maybe 20 more horsepower than a D with bolt-ons!
One of the best flowing heads Honda ever made? I'd have to instantly throw F22A1 out there. THough any F22Ax head is identical, with the F22A6 having the best cam of them all (But if it's any kind of build I'm sure you would go with a regrind).
B20 is my favorite B series as well. Two liters of displacement, no useless VTEC and loads of torque. It does suck that B trannies are expensive, luckily I'm mostly an EF guy and people toss cable trannies all the time so they can be had cheap (when people actually go to get rid of them). I wouldn't bother with it though, unless I stumbled across a full swap REALLY cheap.
Personally my favorite D series setups though are D16Z6/D16A6 block, PM3 pistons, Z6/A6 rods, D16Y7 head, D16Z6 intake manifold for N/A (Really high compression, depending on head gasket thickness you can squeeze it up to ~11.7:1), and D16Z6/D16A6 block, Eagle H beams, P28 pistons (Fuck vitaras, P28s are fine!), D16Y7 head or D15Bx/D16A6 head (Y7 for ~9.5:1, the other head will net something between 8.5 and 9), Z6 intake manifold, and then the usual block guard + ARP studs for boost. Nothing special in either setup, I have my reasons for going with the bits I choose.
Anyways, this is getting a bit long, so uh, fuck yes single cams, DOHC is for pussies, and uh... K series sucks ass and is for rich-ass fags.
Yeah that pretty much sums it up.
I think I love you, no homo, but that was much more than I expected from a non car specific forum member. You hit a lot of good points on the head there. You familiar with the vitaras with the custom length I beams? much better for a street machine than the H beams IMO.
I have heard of them and I've seen them pushed to some pretty high limits for street use, they're definitely a lot lighter on the rotating mass than the H beams and hold up well at high RPM but the vitaras are just bad about slight slap in 75mm trim, if I was going for a street setup with vitaras I would definitely go 75.5mm.
And thanks, the only reason I am on Facepunch at all actually is the AA forum. I have a total of 4 posts that are not in this section. 2,580 of my posts have been right here in this subforum.
Cars are pretty much my life. It's all my dad could teach me and I really hated it as a child, but when I got into it, it all really sank in and I've taken it from there to where I am now.
It helps when you own an auto shop too, lots of hands on experience if you haven't run across a certain thing on a particular engine before. Also very annoying if the customer thinks you are wrong. You, the one they took their vehicle to work on in the first place. *shrug*
Now that you love me and shit can I have those fucking HX wheels? ;)
Tw34k, are you a chick? If so, you and Bradley can have little babies and stuff. Teach them the ways of the engine.
Feed them out of bottles converted from shaved out cylinders.
NASCAR 2013 Ford Fusion
You can find a video of me driving in the general thread, I even ask the cameraman if he is ready so you'll be able to hear my soft as velvet voice.
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