1. Post #521
    Face Melter's Avatar
    February 2010
    1,015 Posts
    Fall of the samurai is amazing. Get it. I'd even pick it over the base Shogun 2.

    Also i take back what i said about marines, they're amazing. I'd take a 3-unit marine line over a 6-unit white bear line any day.
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  2. Post #522
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    October 2011
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    Fall of the samurai is amazing. Get it. I'd even pick it over the base Shogun 2.

    Also i take back what i said about marines, they're amazing. I'd take a 3-unit marine line over a 6-unit white bear line any day.
    So you can play fall of samurai without Shogun 2? Sweet
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  3. Post #523
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    cr2142's Avatar
    April 2010
    6,550 Posts
    Even worse as a low level searching for Naval Battles.

    Thankfully I found one today and soon after I unlocked these guys.



    They come as Veterans, which is odd. Does that mean I lose them forever if they get wiped out? because that would really suck.
    I wish that there were 3 modes, 1 for Lower classes (say, 4 bronze and below), 2 for the rest (5 bronze or more) and 3 for mixed, It would also be a good idea to get 1 more mode just for the Silvers.
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  4. Post #524
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    May 2005
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    So I just took an enemy castle, guarded by an army of almost 3000, while losing exactly 6 men.

       AHRMUSTROHNG GUNS   
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  5. Post #525
    shatteredwindow's Boy Toy
    cr2142's Avatar
    April 2010
    6,550 Posts
    So I just took an enemy castle, guarded by an army of almost 3000, while losing exactly 6 men.

       AHRMUSTROHNG GUNS   

    I love them so much.....when your using them

    they are so goddamn annoying when the opposing side are using them...
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  6. Post #526
    Face Melter's Avatar
    February 2010
    1,015 Posts
    Are gatling guns good in MP? I just unlocked them but I'm afraid to use them because of both the cost and that I never see them used.
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  7. Post #527
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    May 2005
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    Are gatling guns good in MP? I just unlocked them but I'm afraid to use them because of both the cost and that I never see them used.
    I've only had experience with gatling guns once...

    They're powerful enough to be able to single-handedly shoot up the center of an enemy charge, but you'll get much more strategic value out of normal artillery, as they force your enemy to act - and in a multiplayer game, I'd assume most players are intelligent enough to mostly avoid gatling guns anyway.
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  8. Post #528
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    October 2008
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    Gatlings, while devastating, engage from a relatively short distance and as all artillery pieces are very vulnerable. Human players will try to avoid them, but if you place it right it will massacre anything coming at it. Just be sure to have melee troops very close behind it that can rush forward when the enemy charge reaches your gatlings.

    Edited:

    Also fighting FotS armies with original Shogun 2 armies instantly makes you man.
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  9. Post #529
    shatteredwindow's Boy Toy
    cr2142's Avatar
    April 2010
    6,550 Posts
    What is it with people and losing? I was just playing on a game that was for Lower levesl (1-4) me and this other level 2 guy were just hiding in the woods while I was using my Wooden artillery (its pretty useless but I still like using it during battles) then I get moaned at from the other team "For fighting without honor" then both of them left leaving me and my ally to face a fuck ton of troops running towards us.

    Edited:

    Gatlings, while devastating, engage from a relatively short distance and as all artillery pieces are very vulnerable. Human players will try to avoid them, but if you place it right it will massacre anything coming at it. Just be sure to have melee troops very close behind it that can rush forward when the enemy charge reaches your gatlings.

    Edited:

    Also fighting FotS armies with original Shogun 2 armies instantly makes you man.
    I played a 2v2 siege yesterday. My team consisted of me (FOTS) and another FOTS player, both rank 1's. the other team was 2 level 5 bronze Shogun 2 players. who. actually had Bigger armies then us two.

    We pretty much won without taking many losses (around 100-200 losses)
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  10. Post #530
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    August 2010
    1,584 Posts
    Good God, the Blood Pack is amazing.
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  11. Post #531
    Ok, I suck at fall of the samurai, I just got my ass kicked four times in a row.

    Shogun two, however, I kick ass at, I was always better at Medieval 2 than I was empire.
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  12. Post #532
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    February 2011
    1,416 Posts
    Can't see shit captain

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  13. Post #533
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    Ah, the era of black powder.
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  14. Post #534
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    March 2010
    4,187 Posts
    Good God, the Blood Pack is amazing.
    I almost regret getting it because I find myself getting flanked by cav because I too busy watching some yari get shot up.
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  15. Post #535
    Face Melter's Avatar
    February 2010
    1,015 Posts
    you'll get much more strategic value out of normal artillery, as they force your enemy to act - and in a multiplayer game, I'd assume most players are intelligent enough to mostly avoid gatling guns anyway.
    that was exactly what i thought

    also god oh my god just god



    Once i reach large fund battles I'll have these fuckers + US Marines + Royal Marines to rain heelllll
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  16. Post #536
    shatteredwindow's Boy Toy
    cr2142's Avatar
    April 2010
    6,550 Posts
    Me and a level 2 just beat 2 level 6 players with pretty much whole armies full of Veterans

    Is this normal?
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  17. Post #537
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    August 2006
    6,970 Posts
    I almost regret getting it because I find myself getting flanked by cav because I too busy watching some yari get shot up.
    I always have to watch my katana samurai chopping off heads.
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  18. Post #538
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    December 2009
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    Me and a level 2 just beat 2 level 6 players with pretty much whole armies full of Veterans

    Is this normal?
    Depends, who was fighting with Shogun armies and who was fighting with FOTS armies?
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  19. Post #539
    shatteredwindow's Boy Toy
    cr2142's Avatar
    April 2010
    6,550 Posts
    Depends, who was fighting with Shogun armies and who was fighting with FOTS armies?
    We were all FOTS.

    There teams consisted off Veterans like Imperial infantry or whatever. ours were just Black bears and Bowmen.
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  20. Post #540
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    December 2009
    14,225 Posts
    Oh, well in that case I guess they just played horribly

    Edited:

    Or you did excellently, sorry
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  21. Post #541
    We were all FOTS.

    There teams consisted off Veterans like Imperial infantry or whatever. ours were just Black bears and Bowmen.
    You must be brilliant.

    I can't beat like any line infantry in FotS.
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  22. Post #542
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    March 2011
    207 Posts
    Just tried out the L'Ocean class Ironclad in a medium MP battle. That is, L'Ocean + General ship vs Entire Enemy Fleet.
    Took out the entire thing from a distance while only losing a handful of men on my general's ship.
    I am drooling from every orifice. Fuck marines, European ships are THE SHIT. (Also probably overpowered maybe? Or maybe the guy just sucked trying to broadside me from the moon.)
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  23. Post #543
    Just tried out the L'Ocean class Ironclad in a medium MP battle. That is, L'Ocean + General ship vs Entire Enemy Fleet.
    Took out the entire thing from a distance while only losing a handful of men on my general's ship.
    I am drooling from every orifice. Fuck marines, European ships are THE SHIT. (Also probably overpowered maybe? Or maybe the guy just sucked trying to broadside me from the moon.)
    The pathfinding in Naval battles is RIDICULOUSLY BAD.

    So it might have been that.
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  24. Post #544
    shatteredwindow's Boy Toy
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    April 2010
    6,550 Posts
    You must be brilliant.

    I can't beat like any line infantry in FotS.
    I Guess I was just lucky
    I had 2 full Black bear infantry lines while the guy that I was taking on had 3 Impieral infantry. 1 of his lines were shrunk down due to taking on my ally. the other 2 came and attacked me. my Skirmishers started to pick them off as well as my Bowmen firing all they have at them, my 2 lines started to brake a little into the battle. I just pulled the lines away and let the Skirmishers finish picking them off. as soon as they were wavering I pulled my Lines back into the battle and finished them all off. at the end of it my Ally only had his Avatar General left. I had my whole army left. so We just started to run after there routing armies.

    Was a fun game


    Here are the results. I know both our armies kind of beat them in terms of size. but there units were JUST Veterans, and they were pretty high leveled veterans too.
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  25. Post #545
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    May 2005
    3,173 Posts
    Just tried out the L'Ocean class Ironclad in a medium MP battle. That is, L'Ocean + General ship vs Entire Enemy Fleet.
    Took out the entire thing from a distance while only losing a handful of men on my general's ship.
    I am drooling from every orifice. Fuck marines, European ships are THE SHIT. (Also probably overpowered maybe? Or maybe the guy just sucked trying to broadside me from the moon.)
    My entire navy consists of a single Roanoke class. It's taken out several other navies by itself, and I have yet to lose more than ten crew members in a battle.

    I considered building another one at one point, but I actually cancelled the construction because I realized there was no point to having two.
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  26. Post #546
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    July 2010
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    My navy is split into 4 separate navies, each combing the seas and bombing the shit out of towns.

    2 Roanoke ships, 24 Kaiyo Maru ships. Of those 24, 8 are wooden, 8 copper plated, and 8 ironclad.
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  27. Post #547
    shatteredwindow's Boy Toy
    cr2142's Avatar
    April 2010
    6,550 Posts
    I cant build navies for shit. I just keep the ones from the start and just upgrade them a bit when I have tons of money to spend. I really dont use the Sea that much. Which I really should now since there are alot more threats from the sea now then there was on land
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  28. Post #548
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    April 2010
    2,432 Posts
    Tosa Riflemen kick ass, I bought two units of them to support a small force that was going to travel up a river to steal a castle due to the lack of things nearby to conquer, and I was really doubted they would be any use.

    Then, I watched them survive 3 battles against the odds without taking a single casulty. And at the same time killing 100+ men in every one. On the fourth 10 died to arrow barrages from Rebel Archer Kachi.

    Which reminds me.

    There are far, far too many fucking rebellions in this game. Every two turns I have to manually fight the same battle again and again in every region I have conquered because of revolts due to modernization. You would think that by the 5th rebellion in a year the idiotic populace would think twice about trying to charge a 500 man gunline with spears.

    Also:
    >Samurai revolt!
    >Entire army is made of levies.
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  29. Post #549
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    April 2010
    6,550 Posts
    Tosa Riflemen kick ass, I bought two units of them to support a small force that was going to travel up a river to steal a castle due to the lack of things nearby to conquer, and I was really doubted they would be any use.

    Then, I watched them survive 3 battles against the odds without taking a single casulty. And at the same time killing 100+ men in every one. On the fourth 10 died to arrow barrages from Rebel Archer Kachi.

    Which reminds me.

    There are far, far too many fucking rebellions in this game. Every two turns I have to manually fight the same battle again and again in every region I have conquered because of revolts due to modernization. You would think that by the 5th rebellion in a year the idiotic populace would think twice about trying to charge a 500 man gunline with spears.

    Also:
    >Samurai revolt!
    >Entire army is made of levies.

    Like I said about the Armstrong guns. If you have the Tosa riflemen, Fucking kick ass. If the enemy has them, Fuck life...

    Time for me to stop posting, Night all
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  30. Post #550
    DTKT's Avatar
    May 2011
    601 Posts
    Blood Pack worth it?

    Or does it look really out of place?
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  31. Post #551
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    March 2010
    4,187 Posts
    Blood Pack worth it?

    Or does it look really out of place?
    It's the best thing I've ever bought with pretty much pocket change.
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  32. Post #552
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    August 2007
    4,239 Posts
    I wonder, is there a reference to Monty Python in every single Total War game?
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  33. Post #553
    Smooth Jazz's Avatar
    August 2010
    1,584 Posts
    Blood Pack worth it?

    Or does it look really out of place?
    Its completely unrealistic and ridiculous considering people bleed a metric ton of blood but its pretty badass. I wish it added more animations like arms getting chopped off.
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  34. Post #554
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    February 2010
    1,015 Posts
    Tosa Riflemen kick ass
    fucking agreeeeeee

    i brought a line entirely made of them to a battle and just tore up the enemy's lines before they could even come into range. I can't believe I ever doubted the use of them. you can even put them in fucking loose formation
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  35. Post #555
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    May 2005
    3,173 Posts
    fucking agreeeeeee

    i brought a line entirely made of them to a battle and just tore up the enemy's lines before they could even come into range. I can't believe I ever doubted the use of them. you can even put them in fucking loose formation
    and the best part is that in any other Total War game it's always kind of shitty to abuse a unit like that, but in FotS you're just ahead of the curve.

    Maybe I'll start mass-producing Yugiketsai   spelling rape lol   at my +25 accuracy 'unit factory' region...

    Edited:

    Oh man, I just sided with the Emperor at the realm divide. I know, loyalty and all that - plus, half of my troops at that point were Imperial riflemen.

    ...But now I feel like I'm somehow responsible for Japan's aggression in World War 2. I might load my game, I dunno. It'll be hard as fuck trying to be independent.
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  36. Post #556
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    December 2009
    14,225 Posts
    So how's the skirmishing in the game?

    What the interaction like between infantry units, gun to gun? Can someone toss me some gameplay footage? Because I'm really curious as to whether a fight between cartridge-based weapons in the game would feel like Napoleon and Empire, or more like something out of WWI.
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  37. Post #557
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    September 2007
    2,283 Posts
    It's like Empire and Napoleon, except much faster reloading and just generally deadlier ranged combat.
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  38. Post #558
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    May 2005
    3,173 Posts
    Okay, I'm gonna be honest:
    It's not the most complicated total war ever. The first half of the campaign is about desperately gunning down Samurai in an attempt to keep them from reaching your lines, and the second half of the campaign is about blowing up thousands of people with artillery.

    But it's probably the most gratifying.

    Remember those rare, awesome direct hits mangonels sometimes got in Rome? Well, in FotS, almost every shot with an Armstrong gun is a direct hit that kills twenty-or-so people on ultra unit size, and they've got the most range and highest rate of fire of any siege weapon in the series. It's basically World War One with swords.

    You can certainly play with tons and tons of strategy if you want, but you probably won't. Your ninja-building dojos will quickly get demolished in favor of modern military academies and factories, though there are benefits to having traditional troops mixed with your armies - riflemen are generally shitty at melee.

    The campaign map, however, is a lot more complicated. Ships close to shore can provide HUGE barrages of off-map artillery fire to land battles. You can build trains, allowing you to transport armies and agents between regions instantly. You can hire foreign veterans, who have funny stereotypical accents and can train your troops out of combat and give you in-battle benefits like faster reloading. The "Empire vs. Shogunate" dynamic is a lot more interesting than the "Everybody at the Same Time vs. You" dynamic in standard Shogun 2.
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  39. Post #559
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    February 2006
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    So how's the skirmishing in the game?

    What the interaction like between infantry units, gun to gun? Can someone toss me some gameplay footage? Because I'm really curious as to whether a fight between cartridge-based weapons in the game would feel like Napoleon and Empire, or more like something out of WWI.

    rifle-based line infantry are like murder machines. They fire so accurately, so deadly that it's not unlikely that if you were to charge them with a full set of samurai kachi (about 200 men on ultra settings) you'll lose over 50 men just charging to them in the first volley. If the distance of the charge is even longer and they get off another volley...you'll be down another 50 or so men. Hell, wait until they get kneel firing researched and both ranks fire simultaneously. That shits painful.

    If you use french marines, for example, they actually used bolt-action rifles so their firing rate is significantly quicker.

    Skirmishes are therefore quicker, bloodier and quite satisfying. You seriously tear men apart with every volley. It's a faster-paced deathmatch between line infantry, usually relying on veterancy and morale to turn the tide.
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  40. Post #560
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    December 2011
    960 Posts
    So how's the skirmishing in the game?

    What the interaction like between infantry units, gun to gun? Can someone toss me some gameplay footage? Because I'm really curious as to whether a fight between cartridge-based weapons in the game would feel like Napoleon and Empire, or more like something out of WWI.
    Gunpowder units play pretty much like in Napoleon.
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