1. Post #201
    Rad McCool's Avatar
    August 2009
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    *golfclap*
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  2. Post #202
    Stradbong's Avatar
    August 2011
    91 Posts
    Then why are there still gays in countries like South Africa, where the culture is incredibly anti-gay?
    Because thinking about that makes his little brain hurt
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  3. Post #203
    Dennab
    May 2010
    1,020 Posts
    Because thinking about that makes his little brain hurt
    Haha. You should be on Comedy Central!
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  4. Post #204
    umm wtf's Avatar
    October 2010
    238 Posts
    Haha. You should be on Comedy Central!
    So... does that mean you are going to think about it... or just be sarcastic to hide the fact that you don't actually have an argument?
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  5. Post #205
    It's a rhetorical question.

    I doubt you chose your sexuality, just like how I didn't choose to be homosexual. That was the point I was trying to make.

    Seriously, who in their right mind would freely choose to be treated as lesser beings and not be given rights?
    You're getting a little over defensive here, it may not be a choice but you don't have to be so self detrimental about it, and it may just be my location, but I am never treated as a lesser being, and as for the rights, marriage never interested me.
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  6. Post #206
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    June 2011
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    I think people hate gays because they can't relate.

    As a man it's hard to believe another man can't be sexually interested in women, but at the same time I don't know why I'm sexually interested in women, I have no control over it. The same goes for them. Gays are attracted to the same sex because its how they are.

    As long as I don't have some gay guy trying to hit on me, I don't care who is gay and who isn't. And gays are usually careful about who they hit on so again it doesn't matter if someone is gay.
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  7. Post #207
    Rad McCool's Avatar
    August 2009
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    As long as I don't have some gay guy trying to hit on me..
    Don't worry about it.. -.-
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  8. Post #208
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    Why does it matter if it's a choice or not? I mean jeez. Let people be gay.
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  9. Post #209
    Rad McCool's Avatar
    August 2009
    3,883 Posts
    Why does it matter if it's a choice or not? I mean jeez. Let people be gay.
    Yes exactly! What difference does it make? This whole discussion belongs in a science/biology thread.
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  10. Post #210
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    November 2011
    484 Posts
    Just to clear things up a little...

    Gays are not "born" being gay. They adopt the belief somewhere during their life, usually at a very young age.

    Lets face it, there is no gay gene (although, it would be kind of funny if there was).
    That's like saying that dogs aren't born dogs, they are born as cats and as they grow up they become dogs. That is how stupid your argument is.
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  11. Post #211
    Dovahkiiin's Avatar
    February 2012
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    Ho Moe SEX! Nope its still not right.
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  12. Post #212
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    August 2009
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    Being gay is inherently unintentional and bad. It goes all against of what nature intended, and the thing about gay genes is all quackery. I mean really, your asshole is for exiting, not entering. I don't know how the hell that isn't obvious. If you're gay, then there is seriously something wrong with you because it should be obvious that opposites attract and it works the same way with humans

    (User was banned for this post ("Trolling or dumb" - verynicelady))
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  13. Post #213
    MEGA SENPAI KAWAII UGUU~~ =^_^=
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    Being gay is inherently unintentional and bad. It goes all against of what nature intended, and the thing about gay genes is all quackery. I mean really, your asshole is for exiting, not entering. I don't know how the hell that isn't obvious. If you're gay, then there is seriously something wrong with you because it should be obvious that opposites attract and it works the same way with humans
    Well you heard the man, folks! Never have anal sex with women, never masturbate, and always make sure you never use a condom. Because it's not natural!
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  14. Post #214
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    May 2011
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    What pisses me off is how often people refer to things as 'gay'.
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  15. Post #215
    riceyrice's Avatar
    September 2010
    1,253 Posts
    Sorry to jump in at a odd place in the conversation, but on behalf of Christians who actually do know the Bible and accept it's teachings, I'm sorry how much the Christian worldview has been distorted into being wholly anti-gay, when it should be wholly loving and wholly accepting. Yeah.
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  16. Post #216
    CatFodder's Avatar
    August 2010
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    Being gay is inherently unintentional and bad. It goes all against of what nature intended, and the thing about gay genes is all quackery. I mean really, your asshole is for exiting, not entering. I don't know how the hell that isn't obvious. If you're gay, then there is seriously something wrong with you because it should be obvious that opposites attract and it works the same way with humans
    Best get off that computer, since 'nature didn't intend' for it to exist.
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  17. Post #217
    Ask me about my .gif fetish
    st0rmforce's Avatar
    February 2008
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    Why does it matter if it's a choice or not? I mean jeez. Let people be gay.
    It's like the FP-specific version of Godwin's law: The longer a discussion on facepunch continues, the probability of it turning into a argument about whether homosexuality a choice or not, approaches 1.

    It's obviously pretty inevitable in a thread on the subject of homosexuality, but it happens in threads about completely unrelated things as well.
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  18. Post #218
    MEGA SENPAI KAWAII UGUU~~ =^_^=
    Megafan's Avatar
    September 2008
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    Sorry to jump in at a odd place in the conversation, but on behalf of Christians who actually do know the Bible and accept it's teachings, I'm sorry how much the Christian worldview has been distorted into being wholly anti-gay, when it should be wholly loving and wholly accepting. Yeah.
    Various passage in the Bible can be interpreted in different ways, but you'd be really hard-pressed to make the case that the Bible as a text is not anti-gay. Whether or not you as a Christian decide to ignore Leviticus or other passages decrying 'sexual deviancy' is not relevant to determining if the Bible itself is anti-gay or pro-gay.
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  19. Post #219
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    December 2011
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    Being gay is inherently unintentional and bad. It goes all against of what nature intended, and the thing about gay genes is all quackery. I mean really, your asshole is for exiting, not entering. I don't know how the hell that isn't obvious. If you're gay, then there is seriously something wrong with you because it should be obvious that opposites attract and it works the same way with humans
    Inherently unintentional? Sure.
    But how it is bad? In what way does it go against all of what nature intended. (Homosexuality is natural and occurs in a number of species. Read "Biological Exuberance: Animal Homosexuality and Natural Diversity" by the Canadian biologist Bruce Bagemihl.)
    You fail to point out in what way gay genes are quackery. Theoretically it could be a recessive gene, right?
    "Your asshole is for exiting, not entering." Yes. But when you don't have a vagina, you have to resort to the second best, right? There are also different forms of sex, such as fellatio.

    As for opposites attract. Again, you provide no argument for me to respond to, really.
    If only human sexuality were as simple as fridge magnets, eh?
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  20. Post #220
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    I don't really mind gays, but I wouldn't be able to not be slightly uncomfortable around, say a group of them
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  21. Post #221
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    December 2011
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    I don't really mind gays, but I wouldn't be able to not be slightly uncomfortable around, say a group of them
    Do you know why you feel this way? Because I can't relate.
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  22. Post #222
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    August 2007
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    I don't really mind gays, but I wouldn't be able to not be slightly uncomfortable around, say a group of them
    Gays tend to actually be more respective of people's boundaries than heterosexuals from my experience. So I don't see why you're worried.
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  23. Post #223
    Ask me about my .gif fetish
    st0rmforce's Avatar
    February 2008
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    I don't really mind gays, but I wouldn't be able to not be slightly uncomfortable around, say a group of them
    If the first part of that is true, then you'll get over the second part eventually.

    Here's something to think about.
    You're in a room with, say 10 other random people. You're all getting on ok for several minutes, then a chance remark leads to all the other people revealing that they are gay.
    What is your reaction?
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  24. Post #224

    January 2012
    20 Posts
    Other thread was locked, continue debate in here.



    Really, guys, there is nothing wrong with homosexuals.
    (this thread is for general debate on why they're so commonly hated, what's wrong with them, ect)


    fuck i swear is it their or there i'm terrible when it comes to grammar + titles
    I'll treat gays like humans when people start treating paedophiles like humans.
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  25. Post #225

    February 2012
    108 Posts
    The only thing that bugs me is how quickly they label someone a bigot.

    In high school, a few gay couples used to go up in the middle of the school and make out. No, not just make out, that's an understatement, they were dry humping basically against the walls, grabbing each others asses and shoving their tongues down eachother's throats, girls were kissing the top of eachother's tits and the guys were grabbing eachother's junk. I asked them to stop, save it for the bedroom or just go somewhere else to do it. They quickly labelled me a bigot and told me I was promoting hate. I've told the same thing to straight couples all the time there.

    Just because your different does not give you the ability to go do that shit in front of people. I have no problem with gays, but when they use it as a defense for their behavior and then label people hate promoters, then it's crossed the line. You fight so hard to be treated like everyone else, then you receive the treatment and claim it's hate.
    how is it your business to go around telling people to stop fucking in the hallways????
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  26. Post #226
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    January 2007
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    If the first part of that is true, then you'll get over the second part eventually.

    Here's something to think about.
    You're in a room with, say 10 other random people. You're all getting on ok for several minutes, then a chance remark leads to all the other people revealing that they are gay.
    What is your reaction?
    In that scenario, I'd have gotten to know 'em a bit so wouldn't really be that bothered. I sat for 20 minutes trying to write this, but can't put my thoughts into words.
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  27. Post #227
    Lethaxx's Avatar
    April 2011
    630 Posts
    Let the gays be gay. They dont cause any problems in society unlike some other groups in society so i dont see why their behaviour is so frowned upon.
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  28. Post #228
    Ask me about my .gif fetish
    st0rmforce's Avatar
    February 2008
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    In that scenario, I'd have gotten to know 'em a bit so wouldn't really be that bothered. I sat for 20 minutes trying to write this, but can't put my thoughts into words.
    It's good that it makes you think about the way you think. That's the only reason I wrote the scenario.

    I expect the only problem you have, is that because you don't know many (or any?) gay people, you're subconsciously hanging onto stereotypes. I expect you wouldn't really have a problem with a group of homosexuals in real life.
    That's just a guess though, I'm not a psychiatrist.
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  29. Post #229
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    July 2007
    6,516 Posts
    I'm okay with women as long as the unattractive ones don't hit on me. Know what I mean guys?
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  30. Post #230
    ~ ducks ~
    Kwaq's Avatar
    April 2011
    2,240 Posts
    im more annoyed by girls than guys most of the time

    please straight people keep all of the annoying wenches to yourselves thanks
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  31. Post #231
    Wet Birds
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    September 2005
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    I'll treat gays like humans when people start treating paedophiles like humans.

    Well that's easy seeing that they're both humans. Dunno how many times I have to go over the fact that you can be a pedophile and not molest kids, and that believing all pedophiles do so is incredibly hateful.
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  32. Post #232
    PeonMVC's Avatar
    June 2011
    267 Posts
    There's a difference between being pedophile and child rapist, just saiyan.
    Yeah they're clearly in like a fuckin Sears or something. I don't think he's rapin him, just saiyan.
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  33. Post #233
    I make sexist and racist jokes all the time yet,i still support the feminist movement and the rights of blacks.
    znk666's Avatar
    July 2010
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    Just to clear things up a little...

    Gays are not "born" being gay. They adopt the belief somewhere during their life, usually at a very young age.

    Lets face it, there is no gay gene (although, it would be kind of funny if there was).
    There is,scientific researches and mental health institutions have both disproved that homosexuality is a choice and proved that homosexuality(at least in men) is genetic.
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  34. Post #234
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    October 2007
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    There is,scientific researches and mental health institutions have both disproved that homosexuality is a choice and proved that homosexuality(at least in men) is genetic.
    No it hasn't, they've proved that some genetic factors can influence a persons sexuality, but I'm fairly sure the idea of a gay gene was disproven. I think it's far more likely that sexuality is a sub conscious matter.
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  35. Post #235
    Dennab
    May 2010
    1,020 Posts
    So... does that mean you are going to think about it... or just be sarcastic to hide the fact that you don't actually have an argument?
    I've thought about it and I still hold my argument. People are saying "I didn't have a choice". If this is the case, then you adopted the belief SOMEWHERE down the line. This doesn't absolutely mean that gays adopted the belief somewhere in their childhood. It could simply be due to personal issues in a strait relationship. It's the same thing with religion. When you're taught that God is the answer to everything and Jesus died for our sins and all that, you would have the tendency to believe that for a good portion of your life. As for the thing with South Africa, I would think my argument still applies. Sure, the population is anti-gay. But is that stopping the families that were gay before everybody became anti-gay? Now, I could be making a blind assumption that South Africa has only been anti-gay for a few generations as I am uninformed of the subject. If this is the case, I'm sorry.

    It's either this or the biological/scientific explanation. I'm open to either one.
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  36. Post #236
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    August 2006
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    I've thought about it and I still hold my argument. People are saying "I didn't have a choice". If this is the case, then you adopted the belief SOMEWHERE down the line. This doesn't absolutely mean that gays adopted the belief somewhere in their childhood. It could simply be due to personal issues in a strait relationship. It's the same thing with religion. When you're taught that God is the answer to everything and Jesus died for our sins and all that, you would have the tendency to believe that for a good portion of your life. As for the thing with South Africa, I would think my argument still applies. Sure, the population is anti-gay. But is that stopping the families that were gay before everybody became anti-gay? Now, I could be making a blind assumption that South Africa has only been anti-gay for a few generations as I am uninformed of the subject. If this is the case, I'm sorry.

    It's either this or the biological/scientific explanation. I'm open to either one.
    Before I answer to this, I must ask, are you being genuine right now? For real?
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  37. Post #237
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    In that scenario, I'd have gotten to know 'em a bit so wouldn't really be that bothered. I sat for 20 minutes trying to write this, but can't put my thoughts into words.
    I don't see any reason why it's bad that you inherently feel uncomfortable around a group of gay people.

    I'm gay, and I'll be honest - I feel uncomfortable around a group of people that I have no grounds to relate to, or that I see as being slightly awkward to be around. Such as a bunch of gangster-loving kids at school, or a group of people at uni who literally sit around and loudly play games with their alienware laptops in the lounge all day vs. going to or studying for classes.

    It has everything to do with giving you the feeling that you don't belong in an enviornment or social group, and not much to do with the fact that they are gay. That's where the awkard feeling comes from. It's just the social steriotype that gays have that makes it seem like you are feeling that way twoards a group of gay guys only because they are gay.

    Edited:

    No it hasn't, they've proved that some genetic factors can influence a persons sexuality, but I'm fairly sure the idea of a gay gene was disproven. I think it's far more likely that sexuality is a sub conscious matter.
    From my personal bias, I can almost garuntee sexuality is determined partly from genetic factors, partly from enviornment, and partly from how your brain is wired from a personality type standpoint. I'm a fairly straight guy when it comes to how I act and a lot of my interest, but I've got quirks to my personality, interest, and thinking patterns that are more homosexual oriented, and I have no interest in women sexually.

    There are tons of people out there who grow up with totally different personality types and enviornments yet are gay too. It really depends on how your brain ends up wiring itself when you grow up, and if your personality type or personality quirks are receptive to homosexual tendencies or not.

    I like to think of us as nature's way of balancing out the population I like the idea that I won't be contributing to a higher population on a crowded earth. Some animals actually have that capability you know - wolves are known to produce litters of only one or two pups in years where there is scarce food due to overpopulation.
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  38. Post #238
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    July 2006
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    I forsee in the future, when attitudes towards homosexuality have lightened up (i.e. gay marriage is legal in all states, adoption not frowned upon, etc.), that there'll be some new debate on whether gays/lesbians should be allowed to produce children. Of course, this will be in an era when technology permits this. Discuss.
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  39. Post #239
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    January 2012
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    I forsee in the future, when attitudes towards homosexuality have lightened up (i.e. gay marriage is legal in all states, adoption not frowned upon, etc.), that there'll be some new debate on whether gays/lesbians should be allowed to produce children. Of course, this will be in an era when technology permits this. Discuss.
    Technology already permits lesbians to get pregnant.
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  40. Post #240
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    Sobotnik's Avatar
    July 2010
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    Technology already permits lesbians to get pregnant.
    Men can also use a surrogate mother who is impregnated with semen to eventually give birth to a child for the couple.
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