1. Post #81
    WeedLion's Avatar
    December 2009
    64 Posts
    I'm a vegetarian and I have my family eating meat in front of me every single day and I don't really care. It's their choice, I'm not gonna force anything on them.

    Some vegetarians make all vegetarians look like a bunch of idiots, which is one of the reasons why so many people are against vegetarians.
    A good example for this, is Onision from YouTube. Probably one of the biggest douches I've ever seen. He means all meat eaters should die and vegetarians and omnivores can't possibly be friends. He's wrong in so many ways.

    Also, just thought I'd post this here in case some people still don't know:
    http://www.petakillsanimals.com/

  2. Post #82
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    blubafoon's Avatar
    June 2005
    1,373 Posts
    Morality does not have a definition. So yes, it can be based on your own opinion or it can be based on what's best for the greater good.
    It's that time again children.

    It's time for...meta-ethics!

    A round of applause please for my guests; Plato, Ayer and Nietzsche.

  3. Post #83
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    st0rmforce's Avatar
    February 2008
    3,594 Posts
    I eat meat purely because it tastes nice and I'm suspicious of anybody who says otherwise.
    I'm pretty sure that I could live without meat, I've known a few vegetarians and they're all pretty healthy, I just don't want to.

  4. Post #84
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    OHNOES's Avatar
    February 2010
    1,207 Posts
    I'm a vegetarian, I have no problem with people eating or enjoying meat. But I flip my shit when somebody claims to be a vegetarian yet he/she eats fish and/or chicken.

  5. Post #85
    kingjerome's Avatar
    December 2011
    34 Posts
    I'm a vegetarian and I have my family eating meat in front of me every single day and I don't really care. It's their choice, I'm not gonna force anything on them.

    Some vegetarians make all vegetarians look like a bunch of idiots, which is one of the reasons why so many people are against vegetarians.
    A good example for this, is Onision from YouTube. Probably one of the biggest douches I've ever seen. He means all meat eaters should die and vegetarians and omnivores can't possibly be friends. He's wrong in so many ways.

    Also, just thought I'd post this here in case some people still don't know:
    http://www.petakillsanimals.com/
    You are just like my uncle, he is a vegetarian but yet he still cooks meat whenever we go to his house, he still does not tell us why he never eats meat.

    but those shove pictures of battery hens in your face every 5 second types who bitch and whine about how eating meat is evil have a special place in the underworld waiting for them.

  6. Post #86
    Atlascore's Avatar
    June 2011
    8,358 Posts
    I hate vegetarians, there's no reason not to eat meat, we're designed for it, we're omnivores for fucks sake, it's like driving a car but refusing to turn right so you take all kinds of weird alternate routes to the same destination.

    Also if you're only reason for being a vegetarian is because we kill animals to get the meat you're extremely ignorant, you not eating meat isn't going to stop companies from butchering millions of cattle/chickens/pigs every year.

  7. Post #87
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    August 2009
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    I hate vegetarians, there's no reason not to eat meat, we're designed for it, we're omnivores for fucks sake, it's like driving a car but refusing to turn right so you take all kinds of weird alternate routes to the same destination.

    Also if you're only reason for being a vegetarian is because we kill animals to get the meat you're extremely ignorant, you not eating meat isn't going to stop companies from butchering millions of cattle/chickens/pigs every year.
    Designed for meat? Is that why vegetarians die at the age of- oh wait, no they don't. We can live perfectly fine without meat. I don't eat it and I am perfectly healthy. I don't care that people eat meat, I don't dislike anybody for what they eat. The fact that you hate somebody before you even know them, purely because they won't eat what you eat is stupid. Sorry, me not eating meat must have effect on the other 6.6bn people in the world. I'm extremely ignorant for not liking what you like.

  8. Post #88
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    frankie penis's Avatar
    October 2009
    2,589 Posts
    i don't mind vegetarians or vegans, however i don't like the extremist ones who try to shove their anti-meat bullshit down my throat.

  9. Post #89
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    NeoDement's Avatar
    January 2006
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    I hate vegetarians, there's no reason not to eat meat, we're designed for it, we're omnivores for fucks sake, it's like driving a car but refusing to turn right so you take all kinds of weird alternate routes to the same destination.
    No it isn't.

  10. Post #90
    Atlascore's Avatar
    June 2011
    8,358 Posts
    No it isn't.
    Yes, it is, they have to eat specified vegetables/fruits to get enough protein and other important things.

    There's a reason people that just jump into vegetarianism with zero research can end up with health problems.

  11. Post #91
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    July 2007
    41,442 Posts
    I hate vegetarians, there's no reason not to eat meat, we're designed for it, we're omnivores for fucks sake, it's like driving a car but refusing to turn right so you take all kinds of weird alternate routes to the same destination.

    Also if you're only reason for being a vegetarian is because we kill animals to get the meat you're extremely ignorant, you not eating meat isn't going to stop companies from butchering millions of cattle/chickens/pigs every year.
    Is there anything wrong with refusing to turn right in the car you own? Any reason for you to hate someone who does so?

    You're being rather childish to hate people for a personal choice they've made about their diet. (Or their choice of cornering)

    Edited:

    Yes, it is, they have to eat specified vegetables/fruits to get enough protein and other important things.

    There's a reason people that just jump into vegetarianism with zero research can end up with health problems.
    If you're making the conscious choice to not eat meat you're a lot more in-tune with your own diet than someone who just eats whatever and you're going to end up being healthier for it.

    Unawareness of what you're eating is a hell of a lot more unhealthy.

  12. Post #92
    Captain Westcliff: Thinks Wales is an Island
    NeoDement's Avatar
    January 2006
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    Yes, it is, they have to eat specified vegetables/fruits to get enough protein and other important things.

    There's a reason people that just jump into vegetarianism with zero research can end up with health problems.
    It's barely any different than a normal diet. Seeing as I'm vegetarian and you're not, I think I'm maybe just slightly more qualified to make analogies than you.

  13. Post #93
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    June 2007
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    Yes, it is, they have to eat specified vegetables/fruits to get enough protein and other important things.

    There's a reason people that just jump into vegetarianism with zero research can end up with health problems.
    People who eat meat and put zero research into their diet get health problems too

    this isn't special to vegetarianism.

  14. Post #94
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    July 2009
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    You are just like my uncle, he is a vegetarian but yet he still cooks meat whenever we go to his house, he still does not tell us why he never eats meat.

    but those shove pictures of battery hens in your face every 5 second types who bitch and whine about how eating meat is evil have a special place in the underworld waiting for them.
    Maybe he just hasn't found any meat that he likes the taste of? That's a perfectly understandable reason for being vegetarian. I'd consider it better then trying to come up with some dumb excuse, too many people seem to think they need a very good reason for why they don't eat something, and IMO "I don't like how it tastes" is fine as long as you don't need it to survive.

  15. Post #95
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    Robbobin's Avatar
    June 2007
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    Maybe he just hasn't found any meat that he likes the taste of? That's a perfectly understandable reason for being vegetarian. I'd consider it better then trying to come up with some dumb excuse, too many people seem to think they need a very good reason for why they don't eat something, and IMO "I don't like how it tastes" is fine as long as you don't need it to survive.
    Why is it stupid to not eat meat because it's unsustainable and causes avoidable suffering?

  16. Post #96
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    February 2007
    23,345 Posts
    I don't mind vegetarians as long as they respect the fact that I love the shit out of meat. It's a lifestyle choice, and if that's how you want to subsist then that's up to you. I'm in no position to argue.

  17. Post #97
    Atlascore's Avatar
    June 2011
    8,358 Posts
    Is there anything wrong with refusing to turn right in the car you own? Any reason for you to hate someone who does so?

    You're being rather childish to hate people for a personal choice they've made about their diet. (Or their choice of cornering)
    You're right, it's stupid and childish of me to hate someone based on their diet and choices, I apologize.

    I still hate those that try forcing it on other people though.
    If you're making the conscious choice to not eat meat you're a lot more in-tune with your own diet than someone who just eats whatever and you're going to end up being healthier for it.

    Unawareness of what you're eating is a hell of a lot more unhealthy.
    People who eat meat and put zero research into their diet get health problems too

    this isn't special to vegetarianism.
    True.

    Edited:

    Why is it stupid to not eat meat because it's unsustainable and causes avoidable suffering?
    It's sustainable, if it wasn't our ancient ancestors wouldn't have kept cattle and other animals.

  18. Post #98
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    Thaard's Avatar
    August 2008
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    I have no problems with veggies. More meat for me!

  19. Post #99
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    Kirth's Avatar
    July 2009
    403 Posts
    I'm a vegetarian, I have no problem with people eating or enjoying meat. But I flip my shit when somebody claims to be a vegetarian yet he/she eats fish and/or chicken.
    This. *shakefist*. I wouldn't mind if they'd just not eat meat but do eat chicken and/or fish. But munching chicken and/or fish after an entire "meat is murder" and "those poor animals" charade makes me grind my teeth.

  20. Post #100
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    May 2006
    686 Posts
    Although we certainly eat way too much meat, eating none at all is just as stupid. It's okay for a (full grown) adult to go with a diet that excludes meat. But if they force it on to their (growing) children, who need meat as a part of their diet, they deserve a firm smack in the face.
    Please don't smack my parents in the face. I'm a perfectly healthy human being who has never consumed any meat. Since moving out I've met 4 others like me. Along with the fact that there aren't any health warnings associated with it it's pretty obvious that a Vegetarian diet has no deficiencies for children.

  21. Post #101
    CMB Unit 01's Avatar
    May 2007
    1,959 Posts
    I'm vegetarian, my parents raised me as one, and I agree with the, "beliefs," or however you want to put it.

    My friends piss-take with me about it, and I piss-take with them as well, I don't mind what their opinions are on it.

  22. Post #102
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    July 2010
    4,889 Posts
    I don't mind vegetarians, in fact one of my households (parents are divorced) is fully vegetarian. I won't eat meat at that household because I respect their beliefs. They do respect my right to eat meat though, so I'm glad for that when we go out for dinner somewhere.

  23. Post #103
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    June 2007
    8,026 Posts
    It's sustainable, if it wasn't our ancient ancestors wouldn't have kept cattle and other animals.
    Back then there wasn't 6 billion of us. The fact of the matter is, meat is a terrible use of resources. It uses more land, energy and water, and the western diet - notably in america - is literally unsustainable.

    http://www.ajcn.org/content/78/3/660S.long

    The energy return of meat compared to plants is tiny. I think the statistic is that it takes around 20x more land to make up the required daily calorific content for meat than rice. As for dietary requirements, it's absolute bullshit to suggest you can't be have a healthy, sustainable diet on plants alone. Absolute pure denial.

  24. Post #104
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    Dennab
    January 2006
    40,352 Posts
    i don't eat meat because of health issues.
    for my perspective it's annoying because there are these self-righteous types who think that because you don't eat meat it means that you act a certain way and therefor must be stopped in the name of good or something.

    i usually just keep eating my celery.

  25. Post #105
    Quq

    December 2010
    1,310 Posts
    I've never met any vegetarians who hate meat-eaters, but I imagine they'd be about as annoying and objectionable as meat-eaters who hate vegetarians (http://www.facepunch.com/threads/1161908 for some examples)

  26. Post #106
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    Dennab
    February 2007
    13,126 Posts
    Why is it stupid to not eat meat because it's unsustainable and causes avoidable suffering?
    Because frankly, we don't give a damn. It's tasty, and you're never going to convince enough people to stop eating meat that you'll even have a marginal effect on the amount of animals being slaughtered for food. So enjoy it, lest their deaths be in vain.

  27. Post #107
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    June 2007
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    Yeah I know a great deal of vegetarians - easily a dozen who I meet on a regular basis - and I can't think of a single example where they've brought up vegetarianism in order to stir a debate or chastise people for eating meat. I don't think it's fair to slate people for arguing strongly for vegetarianism in a thread debating vegetarianism, though.

    Edited:

    Because frankly, we don't give a damn. It's tasty, and you're never going to convince enough people to stop eating meat that you'll even have a marginal effect on the amount of animals being slaughtered for food. So enjoy it, lest their deaths be in vain.
    I don't care if rape is immoral, it feels good and it won't stop me from doing it, so enjoy rape or it will be in vain.

  28. Post #108
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    Dennab
    February 2007
    13,126 Posts
    I don't care if rape is immoral, it feels good and it won't stop me from doing it, so enjoy rape or it will be in vain.
    Stop making that comparison to rape, it's fucking hilarious.

  29. Post #109
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    August 2008
    4,968 Posts
    I don't care if rape is immoral, it feels good and it won't stop me from doing it, so enjoy rape or it will be in vain.
    Rape=/=Eating meat.

  30. Post #110
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    June 2007
    8,026 Posts
    Stop making that comparison to rape, it's fucking hilarious.
    I'm illustrating that your argument form leads to absurd conclusions.

    Edited:

    Rape=/=Eating meat.
    So? It was my aim to invalidate his argument and nothing else.

  31. Post #111
    Atlascore's Avatar
    June 2011
    8,358 Posts
    I'm illustrating that your argument form leads to absurd conclusions.
    Comparing eating meat to rape is as absurd as you can get.

  32. Post #112
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    Robbobin's Avatar
    June 2007
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    sometimes this community stuns me with its inability to argue philosophically

    Edited:

    Comparing eating meat to rape is as absurd as you can get.
    wow. just wow.

    Edited:

    the sheer inability to argue logically demonstrates how untenable a position you are holding.

  33. Post #113
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    December 2011
    214 Posts
    sometimes this community stuns me with its inability to argue philosophically
    You fail to point out in what way. Until then, keep your smart ass remarks to yourself.

  34. Post #114
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    SCopE5000's Avatar
    August 2005
    4,192 Posts
    More meat for me.

  35. Post #115
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    Robbobin's Avatar
    June 2007
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    You fail to point out in what way. Until then, keep your smart ass remarks to yourself.
    My totally legitimate remarks? My analogy was valid because it used basically exactly the same argument form as his. I sought to show that not being able to change people's minds or people doing X anyway is not grounds for making something morally permissible. I did this through counter example; rape. Hence his argument was insufficient in supporting his claim.

    Their inability to recognise a pretty simple counterexample - and refusal to reject or refute it, shows me they're shit at arguing because they until they can reject my counter example, they have inconsistent beliefs (and it's impossible to have true, inconsistent beliefs).

  36. Post #116
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    Dennab
    February 2007
    13,126 Posts
    Your rape strawman is not very convincing, it's just absurd and funny.

  37. Post #117
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    Robbobin's Avatar
    June 2007
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    Your rape strawman is not very convincing, it's just absurd and funny.
    it's not a strawman

    it's a counterargument

    you need to provide a new argument because I showed that it leads to contradictions

    I'm not saying eating meat is wrong because it's like rape

    I'm saying your argument is shit because it legitimises rape

    which is wrong



    please understand

  38. Post #118
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    Dennab
    January 2006
    40,352 Posts
    he's not comparing eating meat to rape.
    he's saying that using that same logic you could dismiss rape as okay.

  39. Post #119
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    Robbobin's Avatar
    June 2007
    8,026 Posts
    In a lecture today we used the analogy of hardware/software to explain supervenience in mental phenomena. HOW ABSURD! MENTAL ACTIVITY IS NOT THE SAME THING AS SOFTWARE!! STRAWMAN!! STRAWMAN!! YOU'RE WRONG!!

  40. Post #120
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    Dennab
    February 2007
    13,126 Posts
    I'm saying that's retarded, because rape is nothing like killing an animal for food