1. Post #1
    Franklepirate's Avatar
    November 2009
    70 Posts
    Hi everyone !

    I've made two design on threadless and I'll like it If you could check those and score them good If you like what I do :P

    http://www.threadless.com/submission...om_outta_space

    http://www.threadless.com/submission...owmore,designs

    Also If you have made one, post it here and we could do the same for you!


    and if you like what I do, checkout my deviantart account here : http://franklepirate.deviantart.com/

    Thanks in advance !

  2. Post #2
    Kagrs's Avatar
    June 2008
    1,353 Posts
    I think the ideas have a lot of potential but the execution is lacking. I mainly have a problem with asymmetric proportions and the general lack of anatomical knowledge. If you teamed up with someone who could refine the artwork you could split the money if it gets accepted.

    Right now I don't think neither deserves printing, to be honest.
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  3. Post #3
    Franklepirate's Avatar
    November 2009
    70 Posts
    My goal is not just to get money, it is to get more view from a large public. I'd like to start my own tee compagny in fact. So I'm not getting someone else to draw my idea.

    Thanks for the comment but I don't think my proportions are so bad, I'm not trying to make a realistic style, it's clearly more cartoony. I think I'm getting good and i'm still learning.

  4. Post #4
    Kagrs's Avatar
    June 2008
    1,353 Posts
    There are problems, and they are not due to a certain style you have picked but rather due to an obvious lack of knowledge. Remember, if you start to believe you've reached the end of what you can possibly learn, you will never improve.

    I would not pay money for these designs, they are just not good enough.
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  5. Post #5
    Franklepirate's Avatar
    November 2009
    70 Posts
    I said '' i'm still learning'' , I never said I've reached the end, no ones reach it. There's clearly alway new ways to improve your drawing style. Also I don't know If you are drawing but I know that my art is not so bad. Your comments are simply too much negative and I think you are not getting with I'm trying to do at all.

  6. Post #6
    Krinkels's Avatar
    March 2011
    3,446 Posts
    I said '' i'm still learning'' , I never said I've reached the end, no ones reach it. There's clearly alway new ways to improve your drawing style. Also I don't know If you are drawing but I know that my art is not so bad. Your comments are simply too much negative and I think you are not getting with I'm trying to do at all.
    You posted your art on this site trying to get people to criticize your drawing and he pointed out that your anatomy and proportions need some work, which is a perfectly valid point. You can't just reject that on the grounds that it's too negative or that it's your style. If you really want your art to get better and truly believe there is room for improvement then you should practice drawing realistically.

    Even the most exaggerated or simplified styles of drawing pay heed to even proportions, realistic anatomy and comfortable poses. They are done in aesthetically pleasing ways which suggests some knowledge in drawing realistically. If you simply restrict yourself to a style before learning to draw, your artistic skills will be stunted and it will show.

    Your bear could benefit from experience in drawing arms and hands, for example, and your nacho Guevara might be more recognizable if you could draw a face which resembles that of Ernesto's with better perspective. The backpack on the bear was also not recognizable as a human, creating an instance where your art failed to convey what the subject is. This should, of course, be a sign of the serious yet solvable shortcomings of the execution of your ideas.

    What you are trying to do could be lost on myself as well, so feel free to clarify just what that is.
    Had the art been better, I would buy your shirts.



    Actually I wouldn't because I don't buy clothes online but I would have at least praised you for your mastery of shirt designs.
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  7. Post #7
    Kagrs's Avatar
    June 2008
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    I said '' i'm still learning'' , I never said I've reached the end, no ones reach it. There's clearly alway new ways to improve your drawing style. Also I don't know If you are drawing but I know that my art is not so bad. Your comments are simply too much negative and I think you are not getting with I'm trying to do at all.
    I said you have some potentially great ideas that would indeed sell, but I also wish to weigh my criticism so you know why they're only potentially great, and your skills as an artist is the main thing stopping you here.
    If you ever want to pursue a creative career like art you will have to take criticism and not complain unless it's getting to a point of being rude or personal.

    Also whether or not I draw means fuck all, but yes I do draw and I do so regularly and daily in order to improve. I do studies on the human structure and perspective and foreshortening and you know what? It has helped me tremendously to grow my artistic abilities.
    The only difference between me and someone who is not an artist are my personal experiences with the creation and learning process of art. In your current position you can get equally as much useful information from someone who has only casually touched the medium in its theoretical form as someone who is educated in art.

    It's like starting in a sport, it makes sense to begin with basic gear before you move onto something that can professionally aid your performance.

    As a last comment, please do elaborate what you're trying to achieve. Let me make a very important note of how this is the art section and criticism will be expected, and that I have stated my reasons as to why I am not going to score your designs and why I don't think it's worth paying a visit to your dA.

  8. Post #8
    You're Gonna Carry That Weight.
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    June 2008
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  9. Post #9
    Franklepirate's Avatar
    November 2009
    70 Posts
    I've studied drawing/painting,etc for one year. So I have learn anatomy a bit. My goal i not to achieve realistical drawing, but I got your point. I can take critique, but I think you are being a little too ''rude'' to me. For example, saying that my drawing are not even worth a visit to my dA account.

    I keep practicing day after day and I think that I am getting better on how to clear my mind and put it on paper. I like to do twisted things and my way of drawing/painting it has to show it to. My goal is to make people laugh with my art, but I also want it to be visually great. Clearly I still have a lot to learn, but am I that bad ? Critism need to show the bad point but also the good point in my opinion. I don't think that everything is bad except my idea.


    Also I don't think that if someone don't draw he can critique someone else who do, because he don't have the knowledge to it himself.

  10. Post #10
    Kagrs's Avatar
    June 2008
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    Don't have to be a chef to etc. etc.

  11. Post #11
    You're Gonna Carry That Weight.
    jaykray's Avatar
    June 2008
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    You're not that bad. I wouldn't wear it though.
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  12. Post #12
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    October 2007
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    Also I don't think that if someone don't draw he can critique someone else who do, because he don't have the knowledge to it himself.
    This confuses me, I'm going to try and break it down:
    You think that if someone doesn't draw, then they can critique someone else who does (draw), because he (the person who doesn't draw) doesn't draw?

    Edited:
    Nevermind me, I missed the first "don't" in the sentence. Makes more sense now.

  13. Post #13
    ADT
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    January 2010
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    Critism need to show the bad point but also the good point in my opinion. I don't think that everything is bad except my idea.
    He said your shirts have a lot of potential but need to get matured more.

    Considering your potential is hardly negative to me
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  14. Post #14
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    March 2011
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    dude just accept your criticism. You're not going anywhere if everybody says oh its really good, I like it. If you wanted that, you'd be better off with showing it to your family and friends who aren't studying art.

    Criticism can be a hard pill to take, but it takes you places. I remember my first thread here, i came out depressed and rejecting the criticism, just because the guy who told me that was being rude. But at the end, I did the right thing and got better:

    Here's what I used to do:

    http://www.facepunch.com/threads/1073151?highlight=
    (link's broken, but the designs are below)

    And this is what I do now:
    http://www.cargocollective.com/blackite

    So just learn to take the positive out of what seems to be negative and get better at what you're trying to do.

    Not that it's all your fault, this forum needs to know how to create criticism with care as well, but most of them just blurt out what's wrong without caring for further motivation or stuff.

    And about your shirts, your ideas are kinda going along the shit people buy and choose there. (That video podcast is spot on actually, about how some designs are just pretty simple and to me they run out in seconds). You just gotta improve your execution, your anatomy and so on. Your watercolor style is cool, but it's not really matching the overall style of the website. If you have a mind for some artsy, more creative things, I think you should explore it more with that watercolor
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  15. Post #15
    Franklepirate's Avatar
    November 2009
    70 Posts
    Thanks for your comment D3TBS , you speak the truth.

    Also what you guys think of this one http://www.threadless.com/submission...ld_unlucky_man ?

  16. Post #16
    Also I don't think that if someone don't draw he can critique someone else who do, because he don't have the knowledge to it himself.
    Except they are right?