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I honestly don't think you need to hear a car's engine to not hit by one. You can just hear the tires on the road.
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Lol.. epic fail with their design flaw...
Oh, your battery died? That'll $40,000 for a new one... if not, enjoy your very expensive
Cool otherwise.. but the fact that this is even possible is a debacle they'd be wise to remedy.
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5 out of 2000 have been bricked. if you brick it, its your fault alone.Lol.. epic fail with their design flaw...
Oh, your battery died? That'll $40,000 for a new one... if not, enjoy your very expensive
Cool otherwise.. but the fact that this is even possible is a debacle they'd be wise to remedy.
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That's how I see it.
I also see people who let their car run completely out of gas as irresponsible.
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Shrug, at least if an IC car runs out of gas it just needs a refill. It seems irresponsible to let these go with this known defect in the battery and not call attention to it in the manual.
I will agree that allowing the car to get to 0% due to neglect is irresponsible as well, but sometimes it's unavoidable I would imagine. I certainly wouldn't leave it at the airport while I went for a trip knowing this, even if the manual said it "should be good for several weeks."
At the fact that even if the owner purchased the $12000 replacement plan for a new battery several years down the road, but can't cash in if the car bricks.. bad business practice. It's as bad as buying an extended warranty, but when something goes wrong BestBuy says "oh, lol that's not covered, catch ya later!"
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They've totally underplayed the problem and make no attempt to assist customers who have fallen victim to this flaw. This is not a 'minor bug', it's a part of the car and they are failing to properly inform customers. I wouldn't say it's completely the customer's fault if they aren't informed the battery can become a brick and they happen to leave for the airport.
Or the case of the customer who used the extension cord so it wasn't considered a strong enough current to charge the car and resulted in another brick.
Of course, it could be partially considered their fault, but Tesla should be making it much more obvious that this can happen. Because it's common sense you keep your car full of oil, it's not common sense that your car can't sit for more than a week without charging.
Plus, Oil doesn't typically deplete in 1-6 weeks so calling it "regular maintenance" is a little bit excessive, and my car doesn't completely die if I leave it on low fuel for a few weeks sitting (I might have to empty the fuel).
The fact that customers paid $12,000 for a warranty replacement battery can't use it to replace their bricked battery just shows that Tesla is being a bunch of cocks about the issue.
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I'm curious to see what Tesla will be doing about this problem on the Model S and X.
It's certainly dickish about them to be acting like they do about it.
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I added the battery issue in the OP under downsides.
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Also a good read: http://www.greencarreports.com/news/...ehind-the-post
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The source seems to indicate they're not doing anything about it, and while they can't do anything about the battery chemistry they could easily enough rig it where the computers physically disconnect the power when the battery depletes low enough, in order to prevent this.
Incorrect. They're already having issues with hybrids like the Prius in this regard. Pedestrians in cities cannot hear them coming. They're going too slowly to generate any significant wind or tire noise, and since they're running on all battery at those speeds, they make no engine noise either.
It is a safety issue. The noise ICE cars makes enables pedestrians in crowded cities to detect they're coming without looking at them. Cars that don't make this noise are absolutely undetectable unless you're looking directly at them.
Say someone drives their Tesla to LAX, parks it, plugs it in with a suitable cord, then jets off to Tokyo for a business trip lasting two weeks. Someone else walking through the parking lot trips over the cord and unplugs it.
There's a very plausible scenario where one of these things could end up bricked entirely without the owner making a mistake. There should be coverage for this under the warranty or car insurance one. It's a known fault with lithium polymer batteries.
Avoiding this would be simple, too. Attach a voltmeter to the battery, and when it drops below a certain voltage a relay trips and physically disconnects it from ALL systems. The only electrical connection remaining is to the charge plug. Problem is now solved, the battery will be unable to discharge to the point it cannot be recharged.
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Lets say your electricity bill is 15 cents per kWh. (average cost of electricity)
Because Tesla Roadster uses 13.5kWh/100km, it only costs 2 dollars to drive 100 kilometers.
How fucking awesome is that? The car is a pretty good investment, especially if gas prices are high in your area.
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And about the battery flaw, that if it runs dry, the battery would become a brick, i think they will fix that issue.
And it would not be hard to make a killswitch for it, when battery runs low it would turn the electricity off to protect the batteries.
I mean, if i bought this car, i could easily make one myself.
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The source knows just as much as you or I when it comes to what Tesla is doing about their next models.
They're already contacting owners if the vehicles go below a certain level of charge, and in one case where they couldn't find the owner, activated the GPS and went to the car themselves.
The $40 000 cost to fix it is ridiculous though, if the owner used the car as described in the manual, and it got discharged some other way.
If I somehow managed to trip over and unplug a cord of a parked EV, I would most definitely plug it back in.
This is also why the cord should be locked in place and unmovable if the car is locked, which it might be, I'm not sure.
I agree that the warranty should cover this if the owner is not at fault.
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And another plus side.
It sounds like a motherfucking jet plane.
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mhm, thats what the whole issue is over.LarparNar posted:
i would too, but not everyone is that considerate. There is also some airports far enough into the countryside that would be subject to large animals tripping over the car's charge cord.
it should be, yes.
mhm
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Tesla posted a blog post regarding the issue:
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Doesn't even come close to this imo
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I like that way more than any combustion engine I've ever heard. It's just so futuristic sounding, like you'd expect to hear it from flying cars.
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Very interesting read. I wonder what is truth and what is simple rumors, now...?
Customers say X that looks bad for the company, company says Y to recover PR.. it's anyone's guess.
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But I want my flying car to sound like cammed v8
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I'd love an electric car.
The motors are already good enough for this application.
I just don't think that traditional batteries are the answer.
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I love this
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acceleration looks so smooth
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Which is why it's happened five times already.
I hate Tesla. As soon as someone starts pointing out the flaws in their cars, they go into butthurt mode. First with the TopGear lawsuit (which got thrown out in court) and now they're trying to smear the guy who let the public know about this problem. And just to make matters worse, they wouldn't be around to whine about this shit if they hadn't leeched so much government money. If anyone is going to make a decent electric car, it won't be Tesla.
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I do think electric cars are the future, just not with batteries like this.
Thorium reactors :3
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But that's radioactive! All the soccormoms would cry Chernobyl
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WE CANT USE NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS THEY'RE RADIOACTIVE
WE NEED TO USE SOLAR PANELS INSTEAD
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Telsas are common where I live. Then again I live 30 min from the factory here in Silicon Valley..
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Electric motocross.
Dont like, best part of the video is at 2:35 with that motor sound.
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diesel-electric is only a stepping stone
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Yeah! Fuck clean, sustainable energy, we need to use the shit that'll kill creatures and people horribly and slowly, and poison the surroundings!
Seriously, what the fuck kind of logic says that nuclear energy is cleaner and safer then solar fucking panels?
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Nuclear energy is both safe and clean if you place the reactor somewhere safe (like not in a Tsunami or earthquake area), and you find a way to deal with the nuclear waste.
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Yes, find a way to dispose of the nuclear waste that'll take hundreds of thousands of years to become entirely harmless. You're fooling yourself if you ever think we'll be able to do that.
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I didn't say dispose of it, I said deal with it.
Store it somewhere, use it for something useful, shoot it into the sun, find any way.
I'm not saying I know how to do it, but dismissing it as impossible isn't going to get us anywhere.
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why we no giant rockets that burn some kind of non poluting fuel that launch our trash into the sun
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Lol rockets usually burn liquid hydrogen or oxygen.
Which are definitely non-polluting.
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then why we no blast everything into space,
/ideas i had when 12/
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Because right now it's expensive. Doesn't mean it always will be.
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It's not like this waste would be a common thing, you can get a lot of life out of nuclear fuel before it becomes considered waste. Even then, I heard the French were developing some sort of reactor that could even use that stuff.
If you want to clear massive fields to fit the solar panels/wind turbines that would be necessary to output the same power as a nuke plant, be my guest. I just figured it'd be awfully hypocritical to wipe out entire ecosystems to fit your "clean energy source". Also, you'd better pray that its sunny/windy every day.
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how to solve nuclear problem:
step one: store stuff in yucca mountain
step two: 200 years from now when space is cheap we build the yucca mountain space center
step three: send waste into jupiter
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You realize we can put wind turbines and solar panels in the ocean right? If we dotted the coast with them all around the world, there'd be enough power to power everything in the world.
The current problem is that solar power is extremely expensive, personal solar power is around $6-7 per watt. A lightbulb uses around 40watts at a time iirc so, not very efficient.
Wind Generators work great on the ocean though.
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You do realize that with personal solar powering you do not use conventional bulbs, you will use 12v led bulbs and things like the so, that uses WAY less watts than a conventional one. Yes it is expensive to build a proper self-maintaining solar power station, but you have to be efficient and then you'll save tons of money. Solar power is very efficient with the right equipment. Not to brag, but I have classes in this domain.
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Yes, I was just trying to demonstrate how expensive solar power is. Not everyone is gonna convert to LED Bulbs, etc etc. Computers will still draw lots of powers, along with our washers and dryers, our TVs, etc. Lightbulbs are very minimal on the consumption side, I was just showing how to power a single lightbulb, it could cost hundreds of dollars.
I'm no expert in solar panels. Anyways,
The Nissan Leaf is pretty nifty. If you're old and have money, it'd be a perfect car for puttering around town in. Safe, Economical, Rarely needs maintenance. A shame that their battery distance needs to be improved. My friend who works at Nissan drove one, driving 2km, it dropped the battery range by 20km.
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