1. Post #41
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    Dennab
    January 2006
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    To exaggerate a bit, providing sex change therapy to a kid who thinks he might feel better as the opposite gender is like providing cyanide to any teen who wish his life would end right now.
    what a fucking disgusting insult.
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  2. Post #42
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    I always cringe at the thought of sexual reassignment surgery. Cutting off what's essentially a limb
    Heh, it's done by professionals under anesthesia, it's not especially more cringe-worthy than any other operation (which for the majority of them requires some part of your body to be cut open).
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  3. Post #43
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    Dennab
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    I'm pretty sure there's at least one teen girl on the entire planet who once thought "I want a dick just so I can piss standing !"
    way to trivialize something which is extremely serious and painful for people.
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  4. Post #44
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    what a fucking disgusting insult.
    ^ pro debater

    Edited:

    way to trivialize something which is extremely serious and painful for people.
    Can't take a joke too
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  5. Post #45
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    I'm pretty sure there's at least one teen girl on the entire planet who once thought "I want a dick just so I can piss standing !"
    All joking aside: there probably are plenty of kids who would say that (albeit they'd use different terms). That's why I said: no actual organ alteration before age 18.
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  6. Post #46
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    Dennab
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    ^ pro debater
    do i really want to debate with someone who thinks that comparing sex-change treatment to suicide is only exaggerating a bit?

    can't take a joke too
    instead of going for funny, you went for amazingly stupid.
    sorry but i don't like jokes like that.
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  7. Post #47
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    All joking aside: there probably are plenty of kids who would say that (albeit they'd use different terms). That's why I said: no actual organ alteration before age 18.
    Heh, I actually heard a lot of kids towards the end of elementary school/beginning of whatever comes after (can never remember the name) saying they would like to have breasts just so they could cup a feel anytime they wanted.

    Edited:

    sorry but i don't like jokes like that.
    Someone post that video of that comedian talking about people who are saying "I'm offended" all the time
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  8. Post #48
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    Someone post that video of that comedian talking about people who are saying "I'm offended" all the time
    "i'm offended" i imagine must be a reaction often towards your statements.

    that means the problem is you, not people.
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  9. Post #49
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    I think if you're born a certain gender then you should stick to it so you have a functional reproductive organ. Afterall that is the reason you are alive, to reproduce and advance the human race. If you can't reproduce then you're killing our species off.
    We're over seven billion in this world, I think the human race can survive if some people don't have/can't have kids. Personally I feel it's quite sad to view reproduction as the sole meaning to life.
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  10. Post #50
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    Yeah I don't think this should be a thing. Historically, Gender Identity Disorder in children expires as the child approaches adulthood.
    Having feminine traits as a young boy is just normal, I worked at a daycare center and there was a bunch of guys who was interested in like women clothing and such. Some guy even tried on high heels a couple of times and when I asked him why he said "I don't see the difference between my shoes and these shoes". Kids are too pure to understand the gender differences, therefore they are by nature insecure at young ages.

    (I used nailpolish from time to time until i turned 6 woo)
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  11. Post #51
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    I knew Nickelodeon and Cartoon Network would cause this.
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    "i'm offended" i imagine must be a reaction often towards your statements.

    that means the problem is you, not people.
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  13. Post #53
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    does gender identity really matter that much? i kind of have a difficult time imagining sex matters THAT much to people.
    i guess this implies a bit more than sex, but i can't believe gender plays such a big role to people.

    i mean i am a boy but if i were to become a GURL i really wouldn't care apart from having a yoohoo. i don't know the notion of caring about your gender just strikes me as a bit useless
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  14. Post #54
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    does gender identity really matter that much? i kind of have a difficult time imagining sex matters THAT much to people.
    i guess this implies a bit more than sex, but i can't believe gender plays such a big role to people.

    i mean i am a boy but if i were to become a GURL i really wouldn't care apart from having a yoohoo. i don't know the notion of caring about your gender just strikes me as a bit useless
    identity is one of the most important things for a person. you might not care a lot about being a girl but that's because you don't really know that perspective.

    many transgender people feel a disconnect from what they see and what they feel like they are, which can manifest in depression and low self-esteem.
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  15. Post #55
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    i guess it's fine to feel that way, but really to me it feels like a waste of time. put that way though, i see what you mean.
    still, it really doesn't feel that important to me; i don't think i really care about my identity, i've never really liked being open about who i am, so as a result i pretty much don't have a real personality. for people who feel a contrast about their personality and their body, it must be horrifying. at least, i think it works like that. i aint no psychologist
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  16. Post #56
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    does gender identity really matter that much? i kind of have a difficult time imagining sex matters THAT much to people.
    i guess this implies a bit more than sex, but i can't believe gender plays such a big role to people.

    i mean i am a boy but if i were to become a GURL i really wouldn't care apart from having a yoohoo. i don't know the notion of caring about your gender just strikes me as a bit useless
    It's important because even at the physical level you can't feel alright if you're not in the right body. Someone explained it better than me on another thread but basically one of the aspects of Gender Idendity Disorder is that you brain works as one of the opposite gender would, which consequently prevents you from feeling good thanks to hormone and all that.

    There's a big psychological part but physically GID can also directly prevent you from being happy.
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  17. Post #57
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    sex change should never be the first option. i have a family member whos going trough with his/her sex change, but i completely lost my respect for his/her decision as soon as i heard he/she refused to have a 1 on 1 talk about sex change with a person who i know and has gone trough exactly the same thing and now looks back on it wondering WHY she made that decision. because the hormonal therapy & all just messed up her body, she has lots of food intolerances and has a strict diet because of this. thats just the tip ofthe iceberg
    Also, the said family member still has the behaviour of a teenage girl even though he/she is the same age as me, no job no further education.

    Restoring a broken mind is easier than restoring a broken body, thats why sex change should always be the last resort.
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  18. Post #58
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    To exaggerate a bit, providing sex change therapy to any kid who thinks he might feel better as the opposite gender is like providing cyanide to any teen who wish his life would end right now.

    CONGRATULATIONS!

    You have made the dumbest analogy in 2012 on facepunch!

    You win a box.


    Seriously though don't post again.
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  19. Post #59
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    many transgender people feel a disconnect from what they see and what they feel like they are, which can manifest in depression and low self-esteem.
    the issue there seems to be that gender is linked to sex in society
    I wonder if trans* surgery would be particularly frequent there was a proper distinction between the two

    Edited:

    sex change should never be the first option. i have a family member whos going trough with his/her sex change, but i completely lost my respect for his/her decision as soon as i heard he/she refused to have a 1 on 1 talk about sex change with a person who i know and has gone trough exactly the same thing and now looks back on it wondering WHY she made that decision. because the hormonal therapy & all just messed up her body, she has lots of food intolerances and has a strict diet because of this. thats just the tip ofthe iceberg
    Also, the said family member still has the behaviour of a teenage girl even though he/she is the same age as me, no job no further education.

    Restoring a broken mind is easier than restoring a broken body, thats why sex change should always be the last resort.
    oh lord fuck me that's a despicable position
    HRT fucks you up about as much as puberty does
    sounds like your friend is a fucking moron and I was getting surgery I'd sooner talk to a bloodied corpse than your friend

    Edited:

    not to mention the he/she rubbish

    Edited:

    if only there was dickhead reassignment surgery
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  20. Post #60
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    Dennab
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    Soon enough people on dates will talk about how they used to be a boy/girl not so long ago.

  21. Post #61
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    Soon enough people on dates will talk about how they used to be a boy/girl not so long ago.
    Were you saying that like it was a bad thing?
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  22. Post #62
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    Were you saying that like it was a bad thing?
    I think he's saying that one day it will be socially acceptable enough that people won't feel too ashamed to mention it to anyone.
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  23. Post #63
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    I think he's saying that one day it will be socially acceptable enough that people won't feel too ashamed to mention it to anyone.
    Ah okay, it's a bit hard to tell.

    Kind of like RE: homo/whateversexual marriage "Soon enough people will be marrying cats and rats and racks of sacks"
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  24. Post #64
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    I think he's saying that one day it will be socially acceptable enough that people won't feel too ashamed to mention it to anyone.
    The amount of awkward moments of silence that would create is unimaginable.

  25. Post #65
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    Dennab
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    I believe that the choice to change sex should be legally made no sooner than 18 years old. This includes puberty blocking. A young child is not someone who has the mental capability to make these kinds of choices for themselves.
    Haha, no. There's no way I'm waiting until I'm 18 to get my fucking hormones.

    Edited:

    sex change should never be the first option. i have a family member whos going trough with his/her sex change, but i completely lost my respect for his/her decision as soon as i heard he/she refused to have a 1 on 1 talk about sex change with a person who i know and has gone trough exactly the same thing and now looks back on it wondering WHY she made that decision. because the hormonal therapy & all just messed up her body, she has lots of food intolerances and has a strict diet because of this. thats just the tip ofthe iceberg
    Also, the said family member still has the behaviour of a teenage girl even though he/she is the same age as me, no job no further education.

    Restoring a broken mind is easier than restoring a broken body, thats why sex change should always be the last resort.
    It has been proven that you cannot fix GID through therapy and that the only way to correct it is through transitioning.

    Also FYI female brains don't fit in male bodies.
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  26. Post #66
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    At least they'll be out of the gene pool should they cut their dicks/carve pussy out.


    Hopefully there are more men cutting their dicks off though, more women for the rest of us.

    (User was banned for this post ("Trolling. Or did you really think this was appropiate/relevant/tactful" - Dragon))
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  27. Post #67
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    Dennab
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    I think if you're born a certain gender then you should stick to it so you have a functional reproductive organ. Afterall that is the reason you are alive, to reproduce and advance the human race. If you can't reproduce then you're killing our species off.
    Get the fuck out please. Thank you.

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    At least they'll be out of the gene pool should they cut their dicks/carve pussy out.


    Hopefully there are more men cutting their dicks off though, more women for the rest of us.
    Oh look. Someone who only cares about sex.
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  28. Post #68
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    Oh look. Someone who only cares about sex.
    He's just a troll. I wouldn't even bother responding to him.
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  29. Post #69
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    Dennab
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    He's just a troll. I wouldn't even bother responding to him.
    Yeah I figured as much. Report and move on.

    Edited:

    It's really irritating to look at all of these stupid opinions on whether or not I should be able to live the life that would be best for me.

    Heh. People telling me I should suffer until I'm 18 or that I should suffer through depression for life.

  30. Post #70
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    I believe that the choice to change sex should be legally made no sooner than 18 years old. This includes puberty blocking. A young child is not someone who has the mental capability to make these kinds of choices for themselves.
    Needs to be over the age of 23. That is when the human brain is fully developed.
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  31. Post #71
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    Dennab
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    Needs to be over the age of 23. That is when the human brain is fully developed.
    Thank you for saying that people like me should have to suffer for a huge chunk of their lives.
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  32. Post #72
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    I think if the child has met with a therapist then there is no reason not to allow hormone treatment. These families are not just running around uninformed; they seem to have went out of there way to do what is best for the child.

    If treatment/surgery can make the child happier and prevent depression later in life why would you deny them it?
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  33. Post #73
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    Its contributing if this is on the rise though. You cannot deny this.
    It feels like it's on the rise because people are becoming more open about it, not because people suddenly got an urge to change sexes, same with homosexuality, it feels like it's on the rise but it's not, it's just that people feel safe coming out of the closet nowadays compared to just a couple decades ago.
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  34. Post #74
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    It feels like it's on the rise because people are becoming more open about it, not because people suddenly got an urge to change sexes, same with homosexuality, it feels like it's on the rise but it's not, it's just that people feel safe coming out of the closet nowadays compared to just a couple decades ago.
    ^This

    Did you know that Abraham Lincoln slept with men, there is a good chance that one of our most famous and respected presidents was gay/bisexual. But nobody ever talks/talked about it.

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  35. Post #75
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    Judging on how you feel on TGism, you dislike gays for that very reason as well, as they aren't reproducing. But that's just an assumption.

    The world needs less people anyways, with a population of nearly 7 billion, a form of friendly population control sounds nice right about now.

    Less people, less demand, less resource consumption, more money all around.
    Bolded part is wrong. Our entire economic system is based on growth. It is absolutely retarded but that's the way it is, and if we start dropping our population without taking the appropriate economical steps first, our economies will crash and burn in ways you could never imagine.

    Just thought I'd point that out. For the record, I am not an opponent of gays and I don't even support the modern economical system. I do have some reservations about sex-changes due to the fact that our studies on it are still fairly new and quite a few people who undergo the change commit suicide later anyway. I am not morally against them or anything, just think we should know more about what we're doing because clearly it's not solving the problem for everyone.
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  36. Post #76
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    Oh great one of these threads again

    sigh

    Gender Identity devolps in the womb, and from that point its concrete. It cant, and wont be changed. A child will know what their Gender Identity is honestly from an extremely young age. (Or atleast, in most cases/as far as we know)

    If you're going to say that a child should wait to start any kind of hormonal treatments until their 18, you're telling them to go through one of the most confusing times in their life and most depressing, then tell them to experience the puberty of the sex they were "born as" which is painful, even more confusing, and usually develops into lifelong depression and suicidal tendencies.

    If you're going to make anybody suffer through something like that because you don't think they've got their mind made up(Which, by the way, you have to go through 6 months to a year of therapy to make absolutely sure you have GID) then I can't take you seriously and i'm going to consider you a horrible person.
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  37. Post #77
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    It feels like it's on the rise because people are becoming more open about it, not because people suddenly got an urge to change sexes, same with homosexuality, it feels like it's on the rise but it's not, it's just that people feel safe coming out of the closet nowadays compared to just a couple decades ago.
    I think it's also, at least in part, due to people who do it for attention. Remember the fad these past few years with teeange girl that "oh look at me im bisexual i kiss other girls :))))))"? Most of the time, it was just them wanting attention. Now it's "oh look at me im transgendered im special pay attention to me :))))))))". Like someone had said somewhere, if you take a look at the 12-16 year olds on Steam, every third one will be some "transgendered" kid that just wants sex/cyber. And it's disgusting. Yes, it's good that it's becoming more socially acceptable, but people need to learn the difference between "this is what I am" and "I'm experimenting with who I am".
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  38. Post #78
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    Oh great one of these threads again

    sigh

    Gender Identity devolps in the womb, and from that point its concrete. It cant, and wont be changed. A child will know what their Gender Identity is honestly from an extremely young age. (Or atleast, in most cases/as far as we know)

    If you're going to say that a child should wait to start any kind of hormonal treatments until their 18, you're telling them to go through one of the most confusing times in their life and most depressing, then tell them to experience the puberty of the sex they were "born as" which is painful, even more confusing, and usually develops into lifelong depression and suicidal tendencies.

    If you're going to make anybody suffer through something like that because you don't think they've got their mind made up(Which, by the way, you have to go through 6 months to a year of therapy to make absolutely sure you have GID) then I can't take you seriously and i'm going to consider you a horrible person.
    Thank you.

    Edited:

    I think it's also, at least in part, due to people who do it for attention. Remember the fad these past few years with teeange girl that "oh look at me im bisexual i kiss other girls :))))))"? Most of the time, it was just them wanting attention. Now it's "oh look at me im transgendered im special pay attention to me :))))))))". Like someone had said somewhere, if you take a look at the 12-16 year olds on Steam, every third one will be some "transgendered" kid that just wants sex/cyber. And it's disgusting. Yes, it's good that it's becoming more socially acceptable, but people need to learn the difference between "this is what I am" and "I'm experimenting with who I am".
    Dear god I remember that fad. The current one is most infuriating though.

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    How can you decide that you don't want your balls when they haven't had time to drop yet?
    they drop at birth
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    This... is disturbing
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