1. Post #41
    Scar's Avatar
    September 2010
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    Joining the NSF, anyone with me?
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  2. Post #42
    Fabulous Vailglorous Extraordinaire
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    February 2007
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    I like how the persons that are supposed to represent us are still pushing treaties and legislations that are not in the line of the public opinion.
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  3. Post #43
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    March 2008
    7,680 Posts
    I like how the persons that are supposed to represent us are still pushing treaties and legislations that are not in the line of the public opinion.
    RUSSIA AND CHINA
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  4. Post #44
    SinjinOmega's Avatar
    January 2010
    753 Posts
    Spark some knowledge about this shit in public already goddamn.

  5. Post #45
    Fabulous Vailglorous Extraordinaire
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    February 2007
    10,707 Posts
    RUSSIA AND CHINA
    What I was trying to say is still true, I doubt the majority of the Russian population would support this kind of movement.

  6. Post #46
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    January 2005
    1,222 Posts
    RUSSIA AND CHINA
    Not just those two if the article is correct, as it mentions "Dozens of countries, including Russia and China" pushing for this. I haven't been able to find a list of such backers, but if they have stakes in the ITU then they're also UN member states.

    I'm going to try and find more information on this, the article cites no sources.

    Edit: Found some countries named as supporters. China, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Russia, India, Brazil. Makes it sound similar to a 2003 movement for similar regulation. It doesn't seem yet that the UK is among them, which brings me some relief.
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  7. Post #47
    NEAT GUY
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    January 2011
    18,731 Posts
    When will they just fuck off with the whole "internet censorship" thing?

    Fucking Christ, they've lost countless times. Why even bother trying?
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  8. Post #48
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    Dennab
    October 2008
    1,912 Posts
    its like fishing
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  9. Post #49
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    January 2009
    341 Posts
    Truly good government is not afraid of information freedom, because it just cannot hurt them in any way.
    If the government wants to have full control over information, that government should be replaced.
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  10. Post #50
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    Dennab
    October 2008
    1,912 Posts
    you sitting there, hoping to get a catch

    once you do, its get lose

    and you keep trying to you get it
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  11. Post #51
    GOD FUCKING DAMNIT
    KILLTHIS's Avatar
    September 2005
    1,368 Posts
    How about a goddamn "FUCK NO"?
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  12. Post #52

    August 2011
    294 Posts
    America: FUCK YEAH!
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  13. Post #53
    If life gives you melons, you may be dyslexic.
    Liem's Avatar
    November 2011
    7,064 Posts
    One does not simply control the internet

    But really, When are people going to give up on this. It's never going to happen, It's like trying to kill TPB

  14. Post #54
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    August 2009
    4,246 Posts
    we must move all the current web to ocean based servers now. nobody can own the ocean!
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  15. Post #55
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    September 2008
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    When will they just fuck off with the whole "internet censorship" thing?

    Fucking Christ, they've lost countless times. Why even bother trying?
    They think the more they try, the better chance they have of succeeding. Unfortunately they're right. Some people wanted to put in a casino near me and year after year they were voted down. Eventually (I think it was a couple years ago) they won. The music and movie industries are at the root of the issue, I think. They don't want to continue to "lose billions of dollars and hundreds of thousands of jobs to piracy." Censoring the internet for law-abiding citizens is obviously the answer to that.
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  16. Post #56
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    May 2010
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    It makes me laugh that people actually think they can control the internet.
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  17. Post #57
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    January 2011
    18,731 Posts
    It makes me laugh that people actually think they can control the internet.
    It kind of scares me. If they end up getting control over it, what else are they going to do?
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  18. Post #58
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    October 2006
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    These fucks are really pushing for this now, starts with ACTA, SOPA AND PIPA in the US, similar try here in Ireland but they've back down, wanting to block thepiratebay in the UK (that's only the start). FUCK OFF.
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  19. Post #59
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    April 2009
    828 Posts


    I didn't know Ron Paul was a prominent anti ITU politician in Russia.
    Hey jackass, he's opposed to nato and the UN. No alliances = no dumb wars in syria/we don't have to listen to what corrupt politicians in Russia have to say

    = another win for the freedom of the internet
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  20. Post #60
    Movie quote goes here, because...
    Dennab
    October 2008
    8,076 Posts
    Yeah, I don't think the world should take internet advice from these guys.
    Or Christmerica... Or at least not with the direction it's headed with the current candidates...
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  21. Post #61
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    August 2009
    1,506 Posts

    "the internet is for everyone and no one man can own it"
       "I know, I've tried   
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  22. Post #62
    Movie quote goes here, because...
    Dennab
    October 2008
    8,076 Posts
    These fucks are really pushing for this now, starts with ACTA, SOPA AND PIPA in the US, similar try here in Ireland but they've back down, wanting to block thepiratebay in the UK (that's only the start). FUCK OFF.
    It's funny. Only thing to be censored here in Denmark since ever is the Pirate Bay. EVERYTHING else seems to be up for grabs... Yeah well, cept for kid-fucking.

  23. Post #63
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    April 2009
    828 Posts
    Or Christmerica... Or at least not with the direction it's headed with the current candidates...
    Rick Santorum has mentioned several times that he wants internet censorship or some kind of regulation. Sounds like that googlebomb really fucked him up
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  24. Post #64
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    February 2008
    3,382 Posts
    Hey, look on the bright side guys; if they manage getting this treaty through, we'll probably attempt to take control over them through riots and protesting.
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  25. Post #65
    MEGA SENPAI KAWAII UGUU~~ =^_^=
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    September 2008
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    Hey jackass, he's opposed to nato and the UN. No alliances = no dumb wars in syria/we don't have to listen to what corrupt politicians in Russia have to say

    = another win for the freedom of the internet
    Yes, because Russia and China are the only other nations in the UN and net neutrality is the only important issue in international politics.
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  26. Post #66
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  27. Post #67
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    May 2010
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    It kind of scares me. If they end up getting control over it, what else are they going to do?
    The basic definition of the internet prevents anyone from having total control over it without turning his country into a totalitarian one. Total control over the internet would require total control over your citizens, because there isn't a main source that you can just shut off (like TV or radio), but millions of them.
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  28. Post #68
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    Dennab
    October 2008
    1,912 Posts
    so how big is the chance it pass you guys belive?

  29. Post #69
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    August 2006
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    every five goddamn minutes
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  30. Post #70
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    December 2011
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    smashthestate
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  31. Post #71
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    January 2009
    341 Posts
    It makes me laugh that people actually think they can control the internet.
    Look up the chinese firewall. IIRC in china there is a law that restricts you from going to certain sites and reading certain propaganda, and, in fact, they've implemented a huge blacklist(whitelist?) of sites. This DOES work. This IS possible. Having system like that implemented in the whole UN will allow the governments to have FULL CONTROL over information. Just imagine, having some sites removed, some replaced to suit the government's plan on creating the certain perspective in your head. 25 years later, boom, we have whole generation with their head full of propaganda shit. 40 years later nobody cares about the freedom of the information anymore. 70 years later, no-one remembers what freedom is. If this gets through, and Russian(I'm Russian, and I'm not happy with these fucking treaties) goverment will create nodes to estabilish re-routing through these filters, I predict that those re-routing systems won't last long, even if they're guarded well. Fuck your shit, I'll stake the whole fucking ministry if that's what it takes for me to have free information.
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  32. Post #72
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    May 2008
    93 Posts
    Christ, why is it that everyone wants control of the internet? At that point, it's not the internet, it's just a database of propaganda, so to speak. I predict that they'll change things so that you can't look at things that suggest your country is not better than theirs. I agree with krassell, nobody's holding me back from free information.

  33. Post #73
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    May 2010
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    Look up the chinese firewall. IIRC in china there is a law that restricts you from going to certain sites and reading certain propaganda, and, in fact, they've implemented a huge blacklist(whitelist?) of sites. This DOES work. This IS possible. Having system like that implemented in the whole UN will allow the governments to have FULL CONTROL over information. Just imagine, having some sites removed, some replaced to suit the government's plan on creating the certain perspective in your head. 25 years later, boom, we have whole generation with their head full of propaganda shit. 40 years later nobody cares about the freedom of the information anymore. 70 years later, no-one remembers what freedom is. If this gets through, and Russian(I'm Russian, and I'm not happy with these fucking treaties) goverment will create nodes to estabilish re-routing through these filters, I predict that those re-routing systems won't last long, even if they're guarded well. Fuck your shit, I'll stake the whole fucking ministry if that's what it takes for me to have free information.
    Easily defeated by Tor. If governments block off popular sites, Tor would just become the standard. Every 8 year old would know what encryption software is if internet regulation passes.
    You see, In order to prohibit users from freely accessing the internet, you have to personally monitor every single computer on the planet. You would have to personally put a guard (because frankly, every other system can be bypassed) near every computer to check if it's not accessing blocked sites. That is impossible. In other words, in order to COMPLETELY block off sites, you either need to have no internet, or to heavily regulate EVERYTHING.
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  34. Post #74
    They should make their own Internet then.
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  35. Post #75
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    May 2005
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    All the talk about Tor being able to defeat this and so forth will not work, there will be a exit node somewhere in where the computer will have to connect to the site, so if it lies within the same nation that accepts this censor, it will still be blocked, and Tor will be useless.
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  36. Post #76
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    May 2010
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    All the talk about Tor being able to defeat this and so forth will not work, there will be a exit node somewhere in where the computer will have to connect to the site, so if it lies within the same nation that accepts this censor, it will still be blocked, and Tor will be useless.
    And you really think no other system would come along that could bypass this? Seriously?

  37. Post #77
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    September 2009
    7,045 Posts
    They should make their own Internet then.
    With Blackjack. And hookers.
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  38. Post #78
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    June 2010
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    Look up the chinese firewall.
    I think it's a slightly different situation in China. Especially official positions in local areas have always been full of corruption, to the degree where corruption was the norm. Responsibility was a fickle thing since you were always free to blame those below you, until it reaches the common folk. Very strict/oppressive and guiding government. It all collapsed during the Opium wars where "the West" essentially forced open China's harbors. China was quickly paralyzed and crippled by the now drug and in their quest for guidance and stability people sought religious extremists (and later accepted a helping hand from Russia).
    They wanted stability and integrity back, and although called "the people's nations", they got it back. And in the core beliefs and social rites there's still some sinocentric belief left that makes them seek some isolation or at the very least independence from the west.

    The newer generations that don't follow the traditions are more inclined to reach out to the west that supplies them with the latest tech (kinda like in Japan technophiles are clashing with traditions), but some stuff is simply passed on from parents to child. Mindsets aren't just replaced over the course of a couple of generations. Americans still very much love the tools with which they won their independence they're so proud of.

    TL;DR Europe had the French revolution and its aftershocks, America its independence war from the British Empire, China's harbors were dateraped by "the West" until everyone drowned in Opium and wished for a return of the strong guiding hand.
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  39. Post #79
    SK17a
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    October 2010
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    I smell anonymous cooking up more ddos attacks, now aiming at the UN
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  40. Post #80
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    May 2011
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    "Human" rights my ass. - china & russia
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