1. Post #41
    Dennab
    June 2011
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    How many of those are psyc?
    What about minority womens studies!

  2. Post #42
    I'm too poor and dumb to go to college.

    On the upside, I finally got a job, at least.
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  3. Post #43
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    Too bad 70% are arts degrees.
    What does everyone have against art degrees? There is nothing wrong with them.
    I'd rather see people getting degrees in subjects they enjoy rather than forcing everyone to be the same corporate drone just because people think that's how you get a job.
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  4. Post #44
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    Too bad 70% are arts degrees.
    Why would that be? Not true in the least bit. Especially since to actually get an art degree it's a shit tonne of work considering all your classes for art majors are twice as long as standard classes for the same number of credit hours, and you'll be doing 7-10 hours of homework every week PER class.

    Everybody also seems to think art degrees are super easy too, when in reality you need to be a really dedicated artist to make it through and not fail. You're average 4 credit hour science class in a quarter system is 3 hours of lecture a week and and two hours or so of lab on a different dates/times, which literally involves just following instructions. Zero homework other than studying for tests, or papers if it happens to be a writing intensive credited class as well, or finishing up labs. This gets slightly more intense the higher level you go, to where degree-specific science classes in the upper level will often have you conduct your own tests/research at home. This gets even easier if you're degree doesn't really have too many classes with lab times like an english degree - then you are literally meeting for about 3-4 hours a week, and doing maybe 3-4 hours of homework/study/etc at the most, with again - the exception being upper level junior-senior year stuff where you're assignments are more personalized and complex.

    Meanwhile your BEGINNING art classes are also 4 credit hours, but you are garunteed in there for 7 hours of class per week (3.5 hour studio timeblocks where you are constantly and intensely working), and will always have about 7-10 hours worth of homework to do as well, where you are expected to do well in both technical and artistic skill.
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  5. Post #45
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    Only 30%?
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  6. Post #46
    Shame a college degree alone is almost useless now since you need x years of experience. Shame they don't exchange money for experience in colleges.

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    Shame a college degree alone is almost useless now since you need x years of experience. Shame they don't exchange money for experience in colleges.
    Internships. How many times do I have to say it?

    I see fliers EVERYWHERE at my university begging people to sign up for them for every field we have a degree in

  8. Post #48
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    Dennab
    October 2008
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    sure this is great from a humanitarian point of view but this is terrible from an economic stance.

    the most obvious problem is that nobody is going to hire the 70% without a degree for anything better than McDonalds. Since the number is steadily increasing, this will become a bigger and bigger problem for the people without a college degree.

    Next problem is student loans: at least half of these students will be paying back student loans for the next 40 years and really won't have much money to put into the economy themselves

    Last would be the rising cost of everything. college graduates cost more to hire, which eventually trickles down into the cost of goods and services.


    Of course at 30% none of this is really an issue. Around 60% is where we should start being worried.

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  10. Post #50
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    Soon: College degree required to work at mcd
    At first you needed a high school diploma to do that.

    But now that high schools don't teach you about useful things in life, only "WE NEED TO PREPARE YOU FOR COLLEGE EVEN THOUGH 90% OF YOU WON'T BE" I will not find it surprising that even an AA (Lowest US degree) will be needed for such menial jobs.

  11. Post #51
    Education system is broken as fuck. You spend 12 years of your life in school and that is not enough for anything more than mcdonalds. Makes no sense really.

  12. Post #52
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    Education system is broken as fuck. You spend 12 years of your life in school and that is not enough for anything more than mcdonalds. Makes no sense really.
    It's because of what I posted just before you. High schools no longer teach any real life necessities. They only focus on "WE NEED TO PREPARE YOU FOR COLLEGE" and nothing more.

    Hell, in my high school, the class personal finances (teaches you about banking and managing your own money) was a strictly optional class that, when I took it, there were only 10 other students in there with me.
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  13. Post #53
    It's because of what I posted just before you. High schools no longer teach any real life necessities. They only focus on "WE NEED TO PREPARE YOU FOR COLLEGE" and nothing more.

    Hell, in my high school, the class personal finances (teaches you about banking and managing your own money) was a strictly optional class that, when I took it, there were only 10 other students in there with me.
    Everything I learned in school was no help to me in university. I've either forgotten or was never taught what mattered. At the same time I was not prepared for real life. So pretty much 12 years wasted just to get a piece of paper so I can possibly improve what's left of my life.
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  14. Post #54
    faster than stupid, but still slower than everybody else
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    So does all the posts I'm looking at here point to, "College or not, Im screwed"?

    Edited:

    Please tell me I'm wrong :c
    Depends what you want to major in, are you planning on majoring in a dead end major like the arts, philosophy, history (unless you wanna teach the rest of your life), etc.

    I'm in college for information systems tech, and i love it and college is the best decision i ever made.

  15. Post #55
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    Depends what you want to major in, are you planning on majoring in a dead end major like the arts, philosophy, history (unless you wanna teach the rest of your life), etc.

    I'm in college for information systems tech, and i love it and college is the best decision i ever made.
    I'm a history major :(
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  16. Post #56
    faster than stupid, but still slower than everybody else
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    I'm a history major :(
    Atleast you're not studying about thinking (philosophy)
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    Atleast you're not studying about thinking (philosophy)
    I take philosophy classes on occasion, I find them fascinating
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  18. Post #58
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    June 2010
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    The standards a college has determines it's reputation among employers. For some jobs like computer programming they only really care that you have a degree, not where it's from. If you're trying to be a lawyer, some colleges have a better reputation for weeding out the bad students and others give you a degree as long as you pay them. A law firm is more likely to hire someone from a school like Harvard because of that.
    Actually, Harvard (and other Ivy Leagues) is notorious for grade inflation, and also participate in giving degrees to those willing to pay. The only difficult part of Harvard is getting in. And even that's easy if you have a lot of money or parents who went there. "Issues of standards in American education have been longstanding. However, rising grades did not become a major issue in American education until the 1960s. For example, in 1890 Harvard's average GPA was 2.27. In 1950, its average GPA was 2.55. By 2004, its GPA, as a result of dramatic rises in the 1960s and gradual rises since, had risen to 3.48."

    In fact, on average, private universities artificially inflate their students' grades much more frequently than public universities.

    For many people, education is a sure path to a prosperous life
    hahaha, people still believe that?

    More like, "for many people, education is a sure path to a lifetime of debt."

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  20. Post #60
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    30% is still pretty low, but it's nice to see an increase. Everybody I know (well, almost) around my age is planning on going to college, can't say how many will carry through to get a degree. I, myself, have considered saying fuck it and just going for a military career. But I can definitely see how the numbers are rising, considering a college degree tends to be one of the few things that comes close to giving job security.

    This is a bad thing.

    We have basically locked ourselves into an education arms race.

    The result is that jobs that have no business requiring college degrees will demand them and jobs that don't need higher degrees will start requiring them.

    This doesn't help anyone. It only hurts society and causes a significant portion of our young workforce to enter the market in debt.
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  21. Post #61
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    Atleast you're not studying about thinking (philosophy)
    You could get hired as a lecturer or writer, or author your own books. I'm not a philosophy major but I still find the subject interesting.
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  22. Post #62
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    Depends what you want to major in, are you planning on majoring in a dead end major like the arts, philosophy, history (unless you wanna teach the rest of your life), etc.

    I'm in college for information systems tech, and i love it and college is the best decision i ever made.
    I'd rather be a philosophy major than information systems.
    Philosophy would at least be interesting, and I wouldn't be stuck at a help desk for the rest of my life.
    And this is coming from a Computer Science major.
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  23. Post #63
    I'd rather be a philosophy major than information systems.
    Philosophy would at least be interesting, and I wouldn't be stuck at a help desk for the rest of my life.
    And this is coming from a Computer Science major.
    Yeah, you'd be stuck on a street spouting conspiracies.
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  24. Post #64
    faster than stupid, but still slower than everybody else
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    I'd rather be a philosophy major than information systems.
    Philosophy would at least be interesting, and I wouldn't be stuck at a help desk for the rest of my life.
    And this is coming from a Computer Science major.
    I am technically still a computer science major, I'm going to be changing though. I agree that philosophy is fascinating, but it would be hard to get a job with that degree. I'd take classes on it, but not make a life out of it.

  25. Post #65
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    Luckily I'm moving into a job most people don't know about. I'm majoring in Information Technology/Networking & Security so I can work with the Federal Government in the Department of Defense or Homeland Security. Those jobs are bountiful and all you have to do is essentially be a paper tiger. (Certified in everything you can think of) Starting out most IT jobs pay at $60,000.00 per year and by the time I would retire I would be making $130,000.00 per year because a lot of Fed. Gov. positions give mandatory yearly raises. Plus I'd have a retirement, healthcare, and very good vacations.
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  26. Post #66
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    This is a bad thing.

    We have basically locked ourselves into an education arms race.

    The result is that jobs that have no business requiring college degrees will demand them and jobs that don't need higher degrees will start requiring them.

    This doesn't help anyone. It only hurts society and causes a significant portion of our young workforce to enter the market in debt.
    What the hell ? In the future, developed country will need more people with degrees as the globalisation continues forward, much of the industrious work will go overseas. We need to concentrate on the potential of our human capital.

  27. Post #67
    Have faith in the future and shy away those pessimistic primal instincts (it's true, brain is hardwired to take in pessimistic information and hold onto it more than optimistic information).
    No, actually the complete opposite is true.

    Edited:

    What does everyone have against art degrees? There is nothing wrong with them.
    they're a drain on the economy
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  28. Post #68
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    Luckily I'm moving into a job most people don't know about. I'm majoring in Information Technology/Networking & Security so I can work with the Federal Government in the Department of Defense or Homeland Security. Those jobs are bountiful and all you have to do is essentially be a paper tiger. (Certified in everything you can think of) Starting out most IT jobs pay at $60,000.00 per year and by the time I would retire I would be making $130,000.00 per year because a lot of Fed. Gov. positions give mandatory yearly raises. Plus I'd have a retirement, healthcare, and very good vacations.
    Most people don't know about IT?
    IT is by no means a secret. And it's not a well-respected or prestigious job at all.

    Edited:

    they're a drain on the economy
    I'm sorry that you think it's better to trample over people who want to enjoy life in your greedy pursuit of the maximum number of dollars you can get your hands on.

    Edited:

    I respect artists because they do what they enjoy.
    I don't respect MBAs because they're only in it for the money.
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    Most people don't know about IT?
    IT is by no means a secret. And it's not a well-respected or prestigious job at all.

    Edited:



    I'm sorry that you think it's better to trample over people who want to enjoy life in your greedy pursuit of the maximum number of dollars you can get your hands on.

    Edited:

    I respect artists because they do what they enjoy.
    I don't respect MBAs because they're only in it for the money.
    Or maybe MBAs want to further their education because they enjoy the field. I'm studying accounting and planning to start my MBA next year, not because I'm a greedy fuck, but because I enjoy the field of study, and I want to pursue my CPA certification.
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  30. Post #70
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    So long as it's not 100%. As sad as it is to say, there are jobs that need to be done without a college degree, such as basic utility jobs.

    I can see it now - in the future as college degrees grow, the jobs with higher pay will end up the ones with the need of a college degree because there are zero applicants to them.
    We will get robots to do our dirty work in socialist college learning america.

    Edited:

    Depends what you want to major in, are you planning on majoring in a dead end major like the arts, philosophy, history (unless you wanna teach the rest of your life), etc.

    I'm in college for information systems tech, and i love it and college is the best decision i ever made.
    There is no such thing as a dead end field.
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    It's because of what I posted just before you. High schools no longer teach any real life necessities. They only focus on "WE NEED TO PREPARE YOU FOR COLLEGE" and nothing more.

    Hell, in my high school, the class personal finances (teaches you about banking and managing your own money) was a strictly optional class that, when I took it, there were only 10 other students in there with me.
    Pretty much this in the UK too.

    All of my lessons since I can remember have only been about teaching us to past the tests, not understand the actual subjects.

    Hell, I managed to get a B in biology and I have no idea what the fuck anything is.
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  32. Post #72
    prob cus dem leberals hav wuined our scool sistem an mad it rel ezz!!!!!11

  33. Post #73
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    Yeah, but right now an American student drops out of High School every 26 seconds, so this will number will decline a lot over the next 10 years.

    Are people disagreeing at A) A high school student drops every 26 seconds or B) the number will decline.

    A is fact, B is my opinion.
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  34. Post #74
    I'm sorry that you think it's better to trample over people who want to enjoy life in your greedy pursuit of the maximum number of dollars you can get your hands on.

    Edited:

    I respect artists because they do what they enjoy.
    I don't respect MBAs because they're only in it for the money.
    i respect stem majors because they contribute orders of magnitude more to the rest of the human race than liberal arts

    i don't know how you can call anyone greedy

  35. Post #75
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    I respect artists because they do what they enjoy.
    I don't respect MBAs because they're only in it for the money.
    I have a friend whom is an art major simply because he thinks he can get big bucks out of it. He's barely skilled at art at all. What do you make of this "doing it for the enjoyment" person?

    Edited:

    What the hell ? In the future, developed country will need more people with degrees as the globalisation continues forward, much of the industrious work will go overseas. We need to concentrate on the potential of our human capital.
    We shouldn't be so utterly dependent upon other nations such as China for our industries.

    Edited:

    You could get hired as a lecturer or writer, or author your own books. I'm not a philosophy major but I still find the subject interesting.
    I'm considering minoring in philosophy. I think it would make a great compliment to my history major. You can know all the events that happened, but you really can't know the past until you've learned how the people thought about life.

  36. Post #76
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    The thing is though, not everybody needs to go to college to succeed, if you think about it.

    Calculus and Biology won't help if you're going to be a Plumber (which my city desperately needs)
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  37. Post #77

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    Wonder what the info on Uni graduates are - I would like to know how common people in my future line of work are.