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Megafan brought up a very questionable debate topic with his last post in the thread, and I believe that it is extremely arguable whether it's a choice or a gene.
In my own terms, I believe it is a gene; mostly because of the characteristics of homosexuals. I don't think it's just canny that they act similar as if they were a certain race.
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It's not a choice to find women attractive, nor is it a choice to find men attractive.
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it is a choice if youre bisexual.
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I don't think it's a gene, and I don't think it's really a choice either.
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It's definitely not a choice.
I don't know enough to say whether it's a gene or something else though.
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Choice as in someone wakes up one day and thinks "I'm going to fuck men in the ass" or Choice as in Nature vs Nurture?
To say nurture has absolutely no part to play in sexual orientation is a bit of a leap I feel.
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i chose to be gay because being rejected by most of society turns me on guys xD thats how unmainstream i am i bet you fucks cant beat that
Seriously, though, saying people choose to be gay is seriously retarded or trolling.
No one chooses to be rejected by society, even hipsters. Some people just can't fit in, or don't want to fit in, but that doesn't mean they don't want to be rejected and casted away like some different species from another planet.
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I wouldn't say it's a gene. There is probably a part of it that is biologically explainable but for the most part it's very likely just a psychological trait that has its origin in education with a part of randomness as well.
But it's certainly not a choice. What is a choice otherwise is to accept it or not.
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Isn't bisexual the lack of choice between the two sexes when you're attracted to both ?
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OP is a faggot.
(User was banned for this post ("This is NOT how to post in Mass Debate." - Megafan))
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You can prefer one over the other.
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But you're still naturally attracted to both.
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If clothing didn't exist and everyone walked around with their penises fully erect I would have all the bitches.
May 2009
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After witnessing some of the odd events that happened on the internet im going to have to say it's gene or neurotic related.
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The proposed question shouldn't be whether it's a gene or a choice, but rather if its genetics or other influential factors. Most everyone agrees it isn't a choice.
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It's both.
I thought this was obvious.
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I thought it had something to do with the experiences you have when you're young that ultimately forms the connections in your brain that make you horny for men or women.
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conditioning I'd say
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I read an article a while back that said that certain parts of the brain are structured differently in homosexuals; i.e. a gay man's brain may have some female characteristics, while a lesbian woman's brain has male characteristics.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7456588.stm
This suggests genetic involvement to me.
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I don't think its genetic or a choice. I'm not really sure why I'm bisexual I guess.
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The current thread title is pretty terrible, since the answer does not have to be either. For instance, it could be the result of a combination of genes.
in before certain straight users try to act like they know better than non straight users do on the subject
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absolutely
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you'd have to be really dumb to deny it
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sexual actions do not equal sexuality
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I believe it's a combination of genes and conditioning, I don't believe it matters however. People should be able to do what they want.
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I too believe it to be a mixture of both, but why it matters in the first place is lost on me. As there is nothing wrong with being Gay, bisexual, lesbian or any of the many other sexual orientations I'm not as familiar with.
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Fucking guys in the ass and preferring men over women are two completely things.
You could fuck fifty men and not like it, or you could prefer men over women and not ever put your penis into either.
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What are you on about
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I completely agree.
I think that people who believe that sexuality is a choice are looking at it the wrong way. For example, a straight man can choose to have gay sex but he can't choose to be turned-on by it. Same thing in reverse for a gay man. He can *force himself to have sex with a woman but he won't be turned-on by it. Bisexuals seem to have a choice but it's the same thing. The choice they do have is being able to choose the sex of their partner. But they still do NOT choose their sexuality. For example, they can choose to be with a woman but the attraction to men is still there and if they see some steamy gay porn they cannot control the fact that they are aroused.
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Even if it is, why does it matter?
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Being gay myself, I can safely say I didnt just decide one day that I liked men. It was more like a gradual buildup, with lots of questioning my own sexuality, around the same time as puberty started happening. I don't think it's either a gene or a choice, more like a hormone imbalance, possibly caused by genetics.
Besides, a gene implies you could pass it on by reproduction, which isn't true.
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I don't really think that it ia a choice, and I am not sure if it is innate either. If there is some biology affecting sexuality I am sure there should be some other factor influencing it also. I personally think it is probably a mix of both biology and the environment taking affect to some extent. Although, I don't have a problem with any sexuality.
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i think it's like any other social behavior.
part of it is perhaps genetic, part of it is environment, part of it is conditioning etc.
you can perhaps whittle someone's personality down to homosexual or heterosexual but it's not black-and-white like that. some people are complete homosexuals while others only have small homosexual tendencies, but society doesn't accept that due to sexual insecurities.
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It's definitely not a gene and it's definitely not choice, I think everyone in Mass Debate can agree with that.
Personally, I've always thought personalities, traits, pleasures, etc. were determined much more by environment + childhood than genetics. In this case, I believe it has A LOT to do with childhood.
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IMO it would vary from person to person.
perhaps some have a genetic disposition, but the way they were raised meant this had little effect on their lives.
and perhaps some people without the disposition become homosexual out of how their long-developed preferences as a result of their whole lives, as opposed to genetics/neural chemistry.
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I'm not sure that's a good way to think about it. There could be many reasons why we percieve that they apperantly act in a distinct way. Maybe it is because of societal pressure that puts them into a group where they are expected to act in this way. Maybe the perception is all wrong because we just notice the flamboyant ones a lot more than those who are less obvious.
The way I see it, choice is completely out of the question. Almost all homosexuals go through a lot of shit because of their sexuality in one way or another. Nobody would willingly pick that, if they really could choose what to like.
It's also really easy to figure out if you, as a heterosexual, look at your own sexuality. I don't think anybody can say they have felt like they "chose" to be heterosexual.
To me the question is more like this; is it a gene or is it caused by something else?
And to that I think that it is probably an intricate mixture of genetics, hormones and environment.
When I say intricate, what I mean is that it is very unclear.
I don't think there is one single gay gene, and I don't think there's a single occurrence in a gay person's life that caused it to happen, but I think genetics, hormones and maybe something in the early childhood all play a role in causing a person's sexuality.
I think it works the same way for every other sexuality and deviant sexuality as well.
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Don't quote me on this, but I remember reading that transsexuality is essentially gene-related, and it's some kind of chemical (not sure if it was hormones) that he/she has an excess of, essentially confirming the "Girl in boy body/Boy in girl body"-theory.
I could see something similar being in homosexuals. Not that it's a bad thing.
Now a real question is: If homosexuality/transsexuality can ever be "cured" - is that a bad thing? Personally, I think it depends. If the individual wants to be "cured", let them. But nobody should be forced.
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I don't think so, actually. I mean, back in the day there were people who tried to do that and they did it very passionately. I don't think their attempts ever succeeded in doing anything more than making homosexuals start pretending to be heterosexual and to be completely ashamed of their sexuality. I'm sure there were quite a few of the homosexuals that were already so ashamed to begin with, that they tried to cure themselves on their own volition.
All in all, I think "curing" (changing) your sexuality, whatever it is, is at best extremely hard, and impossible at worst. Either way, it seems to me to be a sure way to suppress your own feelings and ultimately just means harming yourself.
I imagine that a person of any sexuality would actually get stronger feelings if they try to repress it.
Does anyone have a link to that video about this issue? I remember some animated video that explained something like this.
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Oh, would you look at that, it's right here.
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It's certainly an interesting question, I have no doubt that it's an inbuilt part of the person.
That said, homosexuality isn't limited to humans, it's been observed in other species (I've personally owned gay birds
). It looks to be a nature instead of nurture thing, but then what is the actual biological cause for it, and why does it happen?
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Actually it's known that some women are more prone to giving birth to gay males. Also these women's bodies compensate for this by being more fertile.
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Why are you asking a forum full of high school students a question which continues to be prevalent in the science community. Do you expect a bunch of teenagers to be responsible for a massive scientific breakthrough?
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http://discovermagazine.com/2007/jun/born-gay
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/re...y-1580244.html
http://www.livescience.com/2623-gays-dont-extinct.html
http://www.webmd.com/sex-relationshi...there-gay-gene
Here's a bunch of articles which prove that homosexuality is not a choice and is at least in part genetic.
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No.
We're having a simple debate about this issue.
Why do you think our goal is to make a scientific advancement?
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When it comes to identical twins who have been separated at birth, if one is gay there is a 60% chance that the other will be gay as well, at least according to my old college textbook.
*eh, I should have watched that video first, it mentions this in a way...
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Sexuality is very complex, biologically and metaphysically.
Homosexuality is just the development of lusting/emotion after the same sex.
People with strong sexual willpower can coerce others just by seducing their desires.
Men who are homophobic are intimidated by homosexuals, because they internalized their fear of losing dignity/control to impulses.
Non-homophobic heterosexuals are free from this. They are indifferent to homosexuals.
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I don't see why it would be any different to how fetishes develop so I assume it's pretty much nurture.
