1. Post #1
    theLazyLion's Avatar
    March 2010
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    So I made one of these and will be updating it with paintings, sketches, timelapses of paintings, works in progresses n that kind of stuff.. :)


    I've been experimenting with Corel Painter recently, just testing it out and I'm kind of liking it's painting mechanics so far.. Still getting used to it though.
    Painting was done in 3 n half hours...


    Another test in Corel Painter, around 3 hours


    And a current piece that's almost done, maybe 80% done.. Still need to finish up the hair, rework the folds in the jacket a bit.. render the metal hand and skin glove more..


    And a work in progress shot list of it.



    Another work in progress, about 25% done. Still gotta fix up their anatomy, maybe find some refs... Gonna play around with the story telling a bit, and fix up some of the perspective before I continue with the rendering.


    Will be updating the progresses of these and adding some other stuff later
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  2. Post #2
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    Great stuff, Lion :)

    I appreciate the timelapses and wips.
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  3. Post #3
    JoeyZ's Avatar
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    I'm going to love this thread
    I'm a big fan of your work
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  4. Post #4
    theLazyLion's Avatar
    March 2010
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    Thanks :), also any comments/critiques on those work in progresses would be welcome

  5. Post #5
    LufOo's Avatar
    September 2010
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    Awesome stuff man, Interesting seeing someone work in painter, I've tried it, but haven't gotten that far into it.

    The eye on #2 looks a bit off, remember to flip your canvas often (not sure if that is possible in painter?) and zoom out a lot when painting. Another great tip I've heard to learn colors is just to step outside and paint whatever you see, although this might prove to be a difficult task if you do not own a tablet pc or anything like that. Anyways, all life studies are good, try to do them often.

    Also, have you considered painting more loosely? I see you rely quite a lot on line art throughout your progress of making that painting. Maybe some loose stuff will help you sharpen up your brush structure in the paintings.

    Overall this looks good, keep on working man.
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    Here's to giving Garry Newman more money.
    Chaplin's Avatar
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    I'm quite impressed. You're a great artist!
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  7. Post #7
    theLazyLion's Avatar
    March 2010
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    Thanks Chaplin
    Awesome stuff man, Interesting seeing someone work in painter, I've tried it, but haven't gotten that far into it.

    The eye on #2 looks a bit off, remember to flip your canvas often (not sure if that is possible in painter?) and zoom out a lot when painting. Another great tip I've heard to learn colors is just to step outside and paint whatever you see, although this might prove to be a difficult task if you do not own a tablet pc or anything like that. Anyways, all life studies are good, try to do them often.

    Also, have you considered painting more loosely? I see you rely quite a lot on line art throughout your progress of making that painting. Maybe some loose stuff will help you sharpen up your brush structure in the paintings.

    Overall this looks good, keep on working man.
    Thanks for the comment, i do often flip my canvas, i did take a few breaks during that recording and inbetween the recording sessions while taking a break i flipped the canvas often and found my errors before starting up and recording again, but I guess i still somehow managed to miss how unlevel those eyes are in the second portrait, i'll get on fixing that soon. And also I will try to get some more color studies done for practice.

    And I generally prefer using line work in the initial stages, its an easier way for me to ensure my proportions are working before i start laying in color and value. I'm not too sure how using loose brushwork would help sharpen up my brush structure though, could you elaborate on that?

    Again thanks for the comment..
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    A few small updates from life drawing class.. Got an interesting pair of models, quite a challenge.. one was a 6"4 girl and the other was a 5"2 or something.





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  8. Post #8
    Xephio's Avatar
    December 2009
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    do you use different pencils for a life drawing or just one?

  9. Post #9
    Walls black like black waters, when they are heavy and seem to belong to other seas
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    Your stuff is great Lion, but I gotta say I really don't like when people do photostudies with the reference right beside their canvas in the same size that they reproduce it. Just seems to me like it makes it less and less necessary to have good grounding in a whole slew of skill and knowledge areas doing it like that, like it's as close to tracing as you can get without actually tracing. The way you interpret a photo in that scenario just creates such a huge gap between that and drawing from life that it makes it starkly obvious when you have either drawn from life or drawn without a ref, as can be seen already in the works you posted above. I do know you've done some really great stylised girls which were presumably without reference, but I think my point still stands.

  10. Post #10
    theLazyLion's Avatar
    March 2010
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    do you use different pencils for a life drawing or just one?
    For life drawings I generally have the one type of pencil I use, usually a 2b Wolffs Carbon charcoal pencil (very high quality pencils that have excellent traction and rarely break).. And with those I have a variety of tools, like a kneaded eraser, x-acto knife(to sharpen my pencils with).. Sand paper(to shape the pencils tip), and a rag cloth (I use to soften out shadow shapes).. Recently I started using this technique where I take my cloth and rub it on the residue of charcoal in my sandpaper and use the cloth to "paint" shadow shapes with charcoal into the drawings.. Still getting the hang of that technique though, I used it in this one :


    Your stuff is great Lion, but I gotta say I really don't like when people do photostudies with the reference right beside their canvas in the same size that they reproduce it. Just seems to me like it makes it less and less necessary to have good grounding in a whole slew of skill and knowledge areas doing it like that, like it's as close to tracing as you can get without actually tracing. The way you interpret a photo in that scenario just creates such a huge gap between that and drawing from life that it makes it starkly obvious when you have either drawn from life or drawn without a ref, as can be seen already in the works you posted above. I do know you've done some really great stylised girls which were presumably without reference, but I think my point still stands.
    Ah yeah, normally I actually like using full screen mode in Photoshop and I rarely use reference on the same screen as on the work space I paint on, I just did it like that so that people could see the reference I was using as I was recording. Normally I just have my reference blown up as large as possible on my seperate laptop screen and use that..
    And yeah, i have noticed that I've developed a slight crutch of relying on reference too much over the few years.. I'm still trying to perfect a certain style of drawing reference-less that I keep changing as you can see in most of my paintings. I still need a bit more practice.

    And thanks for the comments :)
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  11. Post #11
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    This guy was the first model I ever had in at the school, had him again today, pretty chill guy.




    Also here's a work in progress thing of how I completed that portrait of my friend I posted a while back.

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  12. Post #12
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    March 2010
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    Here's a poster for this street fair my class had me make in illustrator.. I hated working in that program, so I kind of rushed the work here.


    Kind of finished off this Bionic Don thing, just not too much in the mood to work on it any more.


    Redrew the lady in this painting and reworked some bits of this work in progress painting too, gonna start rendering it soon.


    Here's a thing I did in collaborationwith Detlef


    This Monday, my class is bringing in a live cheetah or leopard for us to do drawings of, cant wait!
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    ☆Artist of Science☆
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    The collab one is pretty
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    ADT
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    goddamn that's amazing

    Edited:

    I also do like this one too
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  15. Post #15
    theLazyLion's Avatar
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    Thanks :)
    Critiques n stuff would be appreciated, especially on the girl in the room.

  16. Post #16
    jenny7332's Avatar
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    I hope you don't mind, I did a little paint over of the girl in the room


    Didn't know how to quite describe what I felt looked off. The ridge thing was definitely in the
    wrong place, I felt her pose was really rigid, head and neck were too small.

    The perspective also looks quite out of place, she looked to big and I'm not sure her angle was
    right for the angle of the rest of the painting... I tried to fix it but I think I did a bit of a shit job.
    She definitely looked like she was floating on a prepainted background

    Edited:

    Actually, yeah she's still at the wrong angle in the paintover. The angle you
    choose for the rest of the painting is fairly extreme so I think we should be
    gazing down upon part of the top of her head, if that makes sense at all.
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    ADT
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    That pic is nice too though the background is still blurry/muddy, but you're going to rendering it, so.

    If I have to be a little more nitpick, the bra isn't symetric (especially the right side of it), and the line in the middle of her body, above her navel, is too long and apparent, you should make it more thin (or just erase it). I wonder what are the violets marks (injuries?).

    The hair should be less "bulky" too, like giving more quick and thin lines instead, like in this example:



    Also the head/neck size seems small compared to the rest of the body.
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  18. Post #18
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    I hope you don't mind, I did a little paint over of the girl in the room

    The paintover you made has isometric perspective.

    His is correct, the top of the book shelf is at eye level, thus so should the girl's face be.
    And it is.
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    Uhhh I don't think that's right. Going by the bed, the floor and the desk his painting
    also has isometric perspective, so his shelf looks out of place. What height
    she is, is irrelevant since it's the angle of her body that is wrong. Unless
    the room is bigger than it looks currently, she should not be double the size
    of the man on the bed.

    Edited:

    I don't understand how the the shelf and the girl being "at eyelevel"
    means that they should be the same place in the painting...
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  20. Post #20
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    Uhhh I don't think that's right. Going by the bed, the floor and the desk his painting
    also has isometric perspective, so his shelf looks out of place. What height
    she is, is irrelevant since it's the angle of her body that is wrong. Unless
    the room is bigger than it looks currently, she should not be double the size
    of the man on the bed.

    Edited:

    I don't understand how the the shelf and the girl being "at eyelevel"
    means that they should be the same place in the painting...

    I don't think you quite know how perspective works.

    The top of the bookshelf is flat and it is at the same level as the girls head. It is safe to assume that is eye level.
    In eye-level perspective, everyone's head is on the horizon.
    ex.



    Also, a similar thing happens at different perspectives (if someone's knees were on the horizon, some one's knees in the distance would also be on the horizon).

    I highly doubt Lazy Lion is attempting to make an isometric scene, but I will not argue with you that there are issues with the current perspective in the painting.


    *very quick and sloppy ms paintover that traces over some of his lines and demonstrates how perspective comes into play.
    (I still don't know what the thing is that is to the left of the book shelf)
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  21. Post #21
    Walls black like black waters, when they are heavy and seem to belong to other seas
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    This Monday, my class is bringing in a live cheetah or leopard for us to do drawings of, cant wait!
    No fucking way

  22. Post #22
    I survived Camp FP 2010
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    rip theLazyLion 2010-2012
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  23. Post #23
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    Thanks for the comments guys, I'm gonna try to see what I can fix with the perspective, so far the perspective is kind of right, like Toastador mentioned, but I think her height is off and I'm gonna have to fix that and realign her perspective after I do that.

    No fucking way
    It's gonna be amazing, wouldn't be the first time I've seen a cheetah up close though, back in Dubai, I was at a some rich lad's party, and in the middle of it he just brought out his pet Cheetah and freaked the fuck out of everybody.. Good times.

  24. Post #24
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    I don't think you quite know how perspective works.

    The top of the bookshelf is flat and it is at the same level as the girls head. It is safe to assume that is eye level.
    In eye-level perspective, everyone's head is on the horizon.
    ex.



    Also, a similar thing happens at different perspectives (if someone's knees were on the horizon, some one's knees in the distance would also be on the horizon).

    I highly doubt Lazy Lion is attempting to make an isometric scene, but I will not argue with you that there are issues with the current perspective in the painting.


    *very quick and sloppy ms paintover that traces over some of his lines and demonstrates how perspective comes into play.
    (I still don't know what the thing is that is to the left of the book shelf)
    I think it's a sliding glass door possibly.

  25. Post #25
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    Time-lapse makes it all the better
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  26. Post #26
    Walls black like black waters, when they are heavy and seem to belong to other seas
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    It's gonna be amazing, wouldn't be the first time I've seen a cheetah up close though, back in Dubai, I was at a some rich lad's party, and in the middle of it he just brought out his pet Cheetah and freaked the fuck out of everybody.. Good times.
    No fucking way again

    Edited:

    I love big cats

  27. Post #27
    LufOo's Avatar
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    Thanks Chaplin

    could you elaborate on that?

    Hello! I have no idea what i'm doing, I think what I meant was it is a good exercise to warm up. but yeah, brush things are awesome to remember





    Edited:

    structure or something like that
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  28. Post #28
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    Here are some more live clothed figure studies:


    Some live suit figure studies done on brown paper with black n white charcoals..



    Some of the cat drawings from today.. Was pretty cool, we had a cheeta, a grown up Lynx/bob cat.. and a cub..


    My drawings weren't that good though, probably need to do some animal studies soon.
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    Walls black like black waters, when they are heavy and seem to belong to other seas
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    hah the cheeks on the second cat, he looks like Winnie the Pooh

    Nice stuff though
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  30. Post #30
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    They seriously brought in a cheetah? Where do you live? Where do I get a cheetah?

    Nice drawings though, I have tried drawing in photoshop sometimes, but it always turns out horribly, the lines are too hard and I cant do the soft coloring etc.

    Also I cant draw for shit.
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  31. Post #31
    Walls black like black waters, when they are heavy and seem to belong to other seas
    MakoSkyDub's Avatar
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    Try pencil and paper?