1. Post #2681
    Gold Member
    The Mighty Boat's Avatar
    April 2009
    9,485 Posts
    Backstab and Feast are physical damage adds, so it wouldn't affect them too much.
    literally doubling attack speed in the context of those abilities wouldnt affect them too much?
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  2. Post #2682
    RagerTrader's Avatar
    September 2011
    1,708 Posts
    literally doubling attack speed in the context of those abilities wouldnt affect them too much?
    Feast adds physical damage to your attack, as does backstab.

    They would both be reduced to 25%.
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  3. Post #2683
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    The Mighty Boat's Avatar
    April 2009
    9,485 Posts
    Feast adds physical damage to your attack, as does backstab.

    They would both be reduced to 25%.
    you said that effects like bash are applied normally on the attack. even if ive misunderstood you melee heroes who rely on their orbs would receive a ridiculous indirect buff from this item, and antimage seriously does not need a buff
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  4. Post #2684
    Gate's Avatar
    April 2011
    471 Posts
    No new hero :(
    Enabled the new HUD!


    GAMEPLAY
    - Added Brewmaster to Captain's Mode
    - Fixed non-hero units like Spirit Bear breaking smoke of deceit.
    - Fixed Burning Spear counter being reset by BKB.
    - Fixed illusions stealing Magic Stick/Wand charges from the owner.
    - Fixed a new bug with Riki's Blink Strike causing it to not attack right away.
    - Fixed True Form / Druid Form being cancelled and interruptable.
    - Fixed attack FoW reveal to happen when an attack fires off, rather than when your animation starts.
    - Fixed bug that would sometimes cause move commands or abilities to execute at odd times.
    - Fixed bug where DotaTV director would stop directing in the last minutes of the game.


    VISUALS
    - Heroes will no longer lose their shadows.
    - Item Icon have been redesigned
    [We plan to continue update these over the next few weeks, please give us your thoughts in this forum]


    AUDIO
    -Some heroes will now call out to allies they encounter in the field during the early phases of a game.


    UI
    - Fixed control groups breaking in the case where a hero has unit sharing enabled and another hero tries to control group one of the summons.
    - Fixed a case where casting an ability to control a unit (ie. Chen's Persuasion), then querying the unit before the ability fired would not end up with the unit in a selected state and the abilities would not be usable.
    - Fixed damage done to player-controlled units not showing up in the combatlog


    BOTS
    - Bots can call out "top missing!" etc if an opponent goes away during the laning phase.
    - Bots are now more likely to use the Side Shop. They will hold off purchasing items if they think they'll be able to get them from the Side Shop soon, and are more likely to actually walk there to pick them up.
    - Bots no longer forget/ignore units that are reincarning.
    - Bots will now use couriers that are holding their items, even if the courier is currently returning to base.
    - Bots will only use couriers that are idle in base, so they shouldn't grab couriers as soon as they stop moving in, for example, the secret shop.
    - When a bot dies, if it had a courier en route, it will send the courier back to base.
    - Juggernaut is now more likely to use Omnisliash in teamfights, particularly when he thinks he can get all slashes on heroes.
    - Bots will no longer purchase items during the hero pick phase of the game.
    - Bots will no longer use any of their abilities on Passive difficulty.
    - Made Windrunner bot slightly more likely to use Powershot when ganking, and less likely to use Windrun for non-panic retreats.
    - Fixed bug that, under certain hero combinations, could cause lane selection to thrash.
    - Improved the Team Roam behavior, they should no longer clump up and get stuck, and should deal with any creeps attacking them.
    - Increased bot sensitivity to human pings for pushing and defending.
    - Increased range at which a non-carry bot will defer last-hitting to a carry bot. Non-hard-carries will now also defer
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  5. Post #2685
    RagerTrader's Avatar
    September 2011
    1,708 Posts
    you said that effects like bash are applied normally on the attack. even if ive misunderstood you melee heroes who rely on their orbs would receive a ridiculous indirect buff from this item, and antimage seriously does not need a buff
    It applies magic damage, stuns, slows, etc. But physical damage additions like backstab, feast, and fury swipes would be reduced.

    Although I admit it would still be very powerful on ursa since it would still place a stack of fury swipes, which would let him burst people down extremely quickly.

    What if it was a toggled active ability, and you also did 25% of the damage to yourself?
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  6. Post #2686
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    April 2009
    9,485 Posts
    It applies magic damage, stuns, slows, etc. But physical damage additions like backstab, feast, and fury swipes would be reduced.

    Although I admit it would still be very powerful on ursa since it would still place a stack of fury swipes, which would let him burst people down extremely quickly.

    What if it was a toggled active ability, and you also did 25% of the damage to yourself?
    its a good tradeoff but idk, i just dislike the concept of the item, it seems like it would be difficult to balance.
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  7. Post #2687
    MORDEKAISER ES #1 HUEHUE
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    September 2009
    3,192 Posts

    ASDHGSDHSGH
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  8. Post #2688
    Gate's Avatar
    April 2011
    471 Posts
    the HUD... the items...
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  9. Post #2689
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    The Mighty Boat's Avatar
    April 2009
    9,485 Posts

    ASDHGSDHSGH
    that looks horrible holy shit

    Edited:

    the HUD... the items...
    why valve
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  10. Post #2690
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    September 2010
    7,724 Posts
    Sure would hate to be that one guy who remade Dota 2 items into TF2 now that they have changed some of their looks in the icons.
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  11. Post #2691
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    April 2009
    9,485 Posts
    god bloodstone looks awful
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  12. Post #2692
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    September 2009
    3,192 Posts
    Fuck i hate the new icons, most of them look like crap 3D renders now.

    Only real improvement are the Arc's
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  13. Post #2693
    RagerTrader's Avatar
    September 2011
    1,708 Posts
    Okay valve.

    You are 24 days late for april fools. Turn it back now.

    Edited:

    Everything looks so crowded and most of the new icons are like shitty clip art. Hell, half the items are the same with shitty blur and a fake watercolor effect added.

    Please for the love of god valve bring back the old HUD. It was space efficient, looked nice and clean and did everything it needed.
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  14. Post #2694
    bigbundie's Avatar
    June 2011
    1,212 Posts
    Looks okay to me, gotta get used to the hud now though
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  15. Post #2695
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    Maruhai's Avatar
    September 2011
    10,090 Posts
    Sure would hate to be that one guy who remade Dota 2 items into TF2 now that they have changed some of their looks in the icons.
    Yeah I know him actually.
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  16. Post #2696
    The Pain Train's a-comin! Woo woo!
    OluapPlayer's Avatar
    August 2010
    1,089 Posts
    I don't see what's so wrong about the HUD. I for one found it rather nice.

    The lack of a new hero makes me a sad panda though.
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  17. Post #2697
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    August 2008
    2,894 Posts
    All of the icons, for those who don't want to check:


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  18. Post #2698
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  19. Post #2699
    I bought this title for 1 dollar
    titopei's Avatar
    April 2009
    8,417 Posts
    I like the new hud, I don't like the new icons though.

    Edited:

    I understand the reasoning why people don't like it though.

    Edited:

    I like most of the new icons, but a lot of them look as bad as the bloodstone icon.
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  20. Post #2700
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    November 2010
    5,555 Posts
    They should make it an option to go back to the old HUD and item icons.

    Edited:

    That way everyone would be happy.
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  21. Post #2701
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    February 2005
    16,077 Posts
    All of the icons, for those who don't want to check:


    Weird...they made them all grimdark now instead of clear and easy to see.





    Some shenanigans over the past few days.






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  22. Post #2702
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    Maruhai's Avatar
    September 2011
    10,090 Posts
    Sure would hate to be that one guy who remade Dota 2 items into TF2 now that they have changed some of their looks in the icons.
    He told me he was going to remake all of them to the new item style.
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  23. Post #2703
    Zwolf11's Avatar
    July 2009
    602 Posts
    My thoughts on the new UI:

    The new stats square looks really childish. The big sword along with the boots icon and the spaced out strength, agility, and intelligence counters look like dota 2 is trying to look too much like LoL.

    The backpack slots look really bland and seem kind of last minute whereas the rest of the UI looks a lot more refined and detailed.

    The circular glyph button works much better than the old tiny square button. Also it greys out and has a circular timer feature until it's off cooldown which really helps tell how much longer until you can glyph again.

    I do like the courier icon down in the bottom right that shows which hero the courier is currently going to though. Also, you can use the button to retrieve from stash and transfer items without having to even select the courier.

    The level up popup's font is too big in such a small box. I don't like when text is touching the edges of a box. Same goes for the hero's name.

    I preferred when the kill/death/assists were up in the top right. They're not as easily accessible in small font down in the bottom right.

    Most of the new icons look really good, however there are some that just seem too generic and I am unable to decipher what they are at a short glance. Some examples are Aghanim's Scepter, Magic Wand, Armlet, Satanic, Sange, Manta Style, Boots of Elvenskin, and Force Staff. Also, necronomicon doesn't change much between the three stages and is difficult to tell which state is is a moment's notice. Finally, it seems like they used too much glow/blur/bloom/whatever on some of the icons such as Ring of Bassilus, Talisman of Evasion, Boots of Travel, Hood of Defiance, and Ring of Aquilla.

    tl;dr:
    Pros - Courier icon, glyph icon, some of the item icons
    Cons- Stats area, backpack area, some generic item icons, some bloomed item icons.
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  24. Post #2704
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    Rats808's Avatar
    June 2005
    3,567 Posts
    I like the look of the new hud, other than the stats area. The items, though, I had to go to the wiki to see what it said several of them were supposed to be.

    I like how the new Vlad's icon resembles morbid mask, though.

    Edited:

    http://i.imgur.com/0mRs7.jpg

    Really glad the UI changes to this on 4:3 monitors, instead of just sliding the inventory over and not moving anything else around.

    Edited:

    Heaven's Halberd finally having an actual icon is pretty neat, too.

    Edited:

    Stats box looks a bit better in 4:3 mode, imo, since the str/agi/int part isn't as large.

    Edited:

    Edited:
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  25. Post #2705
    Murdoco's Avatar
    October 2009
    12,667 Posts
    To be honest I actually really like the new item icons. I think they fit the game better. The ui is okay but definitely needs more work.
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  26. Post #2706
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    Rats808's Avatar
    June 2005
    3,567 Posts
    Yeah, I'm sure once we get used to what's what, it won't be as big of a problem.
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  27. Post #2707
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    September 2009
    3,192 Posts


    Chaos Knight now featuring 100% more horse
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  28. Post #2708
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    December 2007
    1,250 Posts
    The new layout is a bit of a mess design wise, I honestly liked the old item design more, the hud needs to change too, that sword makes me cringe so badly ohgod.

    Edited:

    actually the items aren't that bad but some definitely need work.

    Edited:

    also lolwut
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  29. Post #2709
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    Rats808's Avatar
    June 2005
    3,567 Posts
    also lolwut
    It's been like that for a while.
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  30. Post #2710
    The Pain Train's a-comin! Woo woo!
    OluapPlayer's Avatar
    August 2010
    1,089 Posts


    Chaos Knight now featuring 100% more horse
    What a friendly-looking guy.
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  31. Post #2711
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    January 2012
    941 Posts
    Those icons will be hard to get used to...
    I'd prefer the old ones though.
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  32. Post #2712
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    September 2009
    3,192 Posts


    OH WOW LION IS THAT YOU BUDDY
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  33. Post #2713
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    June 2005
    3,567 Posts
    -snip, Wood Pecker beat me-

    I guess it kind of fits better, considering he has been to hell and back.

    Edited:

    It fits the whole "demonic transformation" thing better, I mean.
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  34. Post #2714
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    February 2007
    10,705 Posts
    I like SOME of the new icons, dislike the UI heavily.

    Edited:



    OH WOW LION IS THAT YOU BUDDY
    he looks so much more cooler

    lion, now with 50% more hell
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  35. Post #2715
    Is that a rocket in your pocket?
    Dr.Scrake's Avatar
    March 2010
    8,396 Posts
    i really like the new one more, but his "beard" part of the new face looks so weird
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  36. Post #2716
    MORDEKAISER ES #1 HUEHUE
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    September 2009
    3,192 Posts
    i really like the new one more, but his "beard" part of the new face looks so weird
    He looks like a dinosaur lol.
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  37. Post #2717
    Is that a rocket in your pocket?
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    March 2010
    8,396 Posts

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  38. Post #2718
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    January 2012
    941 Posts

    OH WOW LION IS THAT YOU BUDDY
    THIS MUCH CHANGE, MY HEART CAN'T STAND FOR THIS MUCH CHANGE
    HNGGGGGGH
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  39. Post #2719
    The Pain Train's a-comin! Woo woo!
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    August 2010
    1,089 Posts


    OH WOW LION IS THAT YOU BUDDY


    He looks pretty cool btw.
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  40. Post #2720
    moo
    CowThing's Avatar
    November 2006
    4,767 Posts
    Lion doesn't have a beard now, this is terrible!
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