1. Post #1

    May 2010
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    Budget: $1500 - $2000
    Games: Most of your modern day FPSs. High frames would be nice(200-300).
    Current res: 1680x1050
    I have a 500GB and a 1TB hard drive, LG DVD-RW drive, HP w2207h moniter, 2 Logitech speakers + 8" sub-woofer, SteelSeries 7h headset, nVidia Geforce GTX 560Ti gfx card.
    The main use of this PC will be gaming and internet things. Open to ideas on basically every aspect of the computer. I live in Arizona, United States. It's pretty hot and dry, that might change things.
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  2. Post #2

    April 2011
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    why 200-300 fps? We don't have monitors that display anything above 120.
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  3. Post #3
    Dennab
    August 2011
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    Better allocate your money, try to budget around a gtx680 (500$) or wait until a 660 (300$)
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  4. Post #4

    April 2011
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    Also for 1500 USD you should really include a nice 1080p IPS panel.
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  5. Post #5
    Folgergeist's Avatar
    December 2010
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    why 200-300 fps? We don't have monitors that display anything above 120.
    Who's this "we"

    I have a monitor that displays 160hz

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    However anything above 85 isn't noticeable. Unless you're using an LCD

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    lol upset they lack the balls to own a CRT
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  6. Post #6
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    February 2008
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    Games: Most of your modern day FPSs. High frames would be nice(200-300).
    No point if your monitor isn't able to display framerates above its refresh rate. You could spend the extra money in the budget to get a 120hz monitor over your 60hz one.
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  7. Post #7
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    February 2009
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    Who's this "we"

    I have a monitor that displays 160hz

    Edited:

    However anything above 85 isn't noticeable. Unless you're using an LCD

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    lol upset they lack the balls to own a CRT
    I rated you dumb because above 85 is noticeable on both CRTs and LCDs, and thus you deserved it. Instead of just pretending it's an issue with other people, stop making dumb posts to avoid dumb ratings.
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  8. Post #8
    Folgergeist's Avatar
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    I rated you dumb because above 85 is noticeable on both CRTs and LCDs, and thus you deserved it. Instead of just pretending it's an issue with other people, stop making dumb posts to avoid dumb ratings.
    It's not kiddo, sorry.
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  9. Post #9
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    It's not kiddo, sorry.
    The "CRT flicker" is essentially eliminated at 85Hz or higher. That doesn't mean differences in framerate can't be perceived above 85Hz on a CRT. It's refreshing more times per second so a game running at 120fps on a 120Hz monitor is smoother than a game running at 85fps.
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  10. Post #10
    Folgergeist's Avatar
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    The "CRT flicker" is essentially eliminated at 85Hz or higher. That doesn't mean differences in framerate can't be perceived above 85Hz on a CRT. It's refreshing more times per second so a game running at 120fps on a 120Hz monitor is smoother than a game running at 85fps.
    Using large words doesn't help your argument.

    The point is no one can notice it.
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  11. Post #11
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    Using large words doesn't help your argument.

    The point is no one can notice it.
    You not being able to notice it=/=nobody can notice it. Also what do you mean by large words? I hope you're not trying to say that the words I used were too large. That's how my posts are typically worded, and you can go through my post history and see it yourself. It has nothing to do with trying to make my argument superior through the use of larger words, I don't see how that would have any impact at all. It sounds like you're just trying to divert attention by pointing out something irrelevant because you're not producing anything to show that there is a limit in human perception that prevents anybody from noticing smoother motion beyond 85Hz on a CRT.
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    You not being able to notice it=/=nobody can notice it. Also what do you mean by large words? I hope you're not trying to say that the words I used were too large. That's how my posts are typically worded, and you can go through my post history and see it yourself. It has nothing to do with trying to make my argument superior through the use of larger words, I don't see how that would have any impact at all. It sounds like you're just trying to divert attention by pointing out something irrelevant because you're not producing anything to show that there is a limit in human perception that prevents anybody from noticing smoother motion beyond 85Hz on a CRT.
    Now you're in full-on grammar mode. That being said, you're correct.

    Also, OP should buy another 560 Ti and SLI them rather than buy a 6XX card.
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  13. Post #13
    Folgergeist's Avatar
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    You not being able to notice it=/=nobody can notice it. Also what do you mean by large words? I hope you're not trying to say that the words I used were too large. That's how my posts are typically worded, and you can go through my post history and see it yourself. It has nothing to do with trying to make my argument superior through the use of larger words, I don't see how that would have any impact at all. It sounds like you're just trying to divert attention by pointing out something irrelevant because you're not producing anything to show that there is a limit in human perception that prevents anybody from noticing smoother motion beyond 85Hz on a CRT.
    I'm trying to say your word choice is inflated, yes, too large. Are your hopes crushed?
    You're far from an intellectual and using large fancy filler words doesn't make you correct.

    I'm not diverting attention you're just so boring I need to find something worth pointing out aside from the fact that you have no idea what you're talking about.

    The widely accepted non-flicker refresh is 75hz, I prefer 85 as do many, go any higher and the only change you'll notice is fine details might become blurred.

    as for viewable FPS no, you won't notice any motion blur at 85hz, nor even 60hz, and even 30hz can outdo any LCD response I've seen, the "60hz - 75hz LCDs".

    I've never seen a 120hz LCD, though I have seen up to 75hz on one, and the motion was terribly blurred. My guess is a 120hz LCD would maybe just be able to compete with a CRT on motion. Not to mention shit viewing angle and disgusting backlight bleeding.

    Though that's an assumption as I haven't encountered a 120hz LCD yet. But I think there's a fair amount of logic behind it.

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    The "CRT flicker" is essentially eliminated at 85Hz or higher. That doesn't mean differences in framerate can't be perceived above 85Hz on a CRT. It's refreshing more times per second so a game running at 120fps on a 120Hz monitor is smoother than a game running at 85fps.
    Nice edit, it used to say "The phenomenon known as "flicker"...."

    I know how you operate don't think I haven't seen you do things like this before.
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  14. Post #14
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    April 2007
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    Even if you own a 60hz monitor, you can still feel the difference between it running at 60fps and 300fps. Try playing a game limited to 60fps and then try it again limited to 120fps instead and tell me that's not true.

    Edited:

    I feel sorry for OP.
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  15. Post #15
    Folgergeist's Avatar
    December 2010
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    Even if you own a 60hz monitor, you can still feel the difference between it running at 60fps and 300fps. Try playing a game limited to 60fps and then try it again limited to 120fps instead and tell me that's not true.

    Edited:

    I feel sorry for OP.
    I've only seen LCDs in action during a 300 fps environment, and as far as motion goes it fails to even stand up to an old 30hz television set.
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    April 2007
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    I've only seen LCDs in action during a 300 fps environment, and as far as motion goes it fails to even stand up to an old 30hz television set.
    I don't mean how it looks (obviously there's no difference since it can only show up to 60 frames), but I mean how it feels smoother and much more responsive when you're actually using the computer.
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  17. Post #17
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    February 2008
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    OP first I can suggest you go with an extra 560ti for SLI. Just to confirm though are you talking about USD and shipping to the USA?

    The widely accepted non-flicker refresh is 75hz, I prefer 85 as do many, go any higher and the only change you'll notice is fine details might become blurred.

    I've never seen a 120hz LCD, though I have seen up to 75hz on one, and the motion was terribly blurred. My guess is a 120hz LCD would maybe just be able to compete with a CRT on motion. Not to mention shit viewing angle and disgusting backlight bleeding.

    Though that's an assumption as I haven't encountered a 120hz LCD yet. But I think there's a fair amount of logic behind it. Not to mention shit viewing angle and disgusting backlight bleeding.
    Then what on earth are you on about then? You've never seen a 120hz monitor first hand yet you're saying anything higher than 85hz is shit essentially bashing it and everyone who disagrees with you on your point. Viewing angle is also hardly important when you're directly sitting in front of the monitor 90% of the time and backlight bleeding is hardly noticeable on decent monitors unless you're actively searching for it.

    I'm trying to say your word choice is inflated, yes, too large. Are your hopes crushed? You're far from an intellectual and using large fancy filler words doesn't make you correct.
    He's fluent in English and is talking like a normal human being who speaks fluent English of his age. He's understandable by everyone who speaks a decent degree of English. Are you trying to create an argument for the sole purpose of one against him? What does this even have to do with the thread?

    Even if you own a 60hz monitor, you can still feel the difference between it running at 60fps and 300fps. Try playing a game limited to 60fps and then try it again limited to 120fps instead and tell me that's not true.
    Placebo. You will never see anything higher than your monitors refresh rate. The only way I can imagine you'd think this (on a 60hz monitor) is if the framerate stays at 60 and above constantly and never dips below that. If you're using Vsync then your framerate will drop down to 30 at periods if you're not reaching 60.
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  18. Post #18
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    Nice edit, it used to say "The phenomenon known as "flicker"...."

    I know how you operate don't think I haven't seen you do things like this before.
    I'd love for you to elaborate. If I were as dumb as you believe I am, this would be very different. I make the majority of my posts in the HW&SW section. I'm not Gman, or Bohb, or Brt, or SataniX(my apologies to others that I missed, just thinking off the top of my head) and I might not even be as smart as you. I don't see you here a lot so I'm in no position to judge your technical knowledge. But if I was some sort of tech illiterate it would be represented by how my posts are rated. I'll leave it at that, because I think this speaks for itself. Checkmark. Box.


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    Oh Greendolphin should be on that list too. Doesn't post a ton but I see nothing but stacks of green checkmarks when he does.
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    Folgergeist's Avatar
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    I'd love for you to elaborate. If I were as dumb as you believe I am, this would be very different. I make the majority of my posts in the HW&SW section. I'm not Gman, or Bohb, or Brt, or SataniX(my apologies to others that I missed, just thinking off the top of my head) and I might not even be as smart as you. I don't see you here a lot so I'm in no position to judge your technical knowledge. But if I was some sort of tech illiterate it would be represented by how my posts are rated. I'll leave it at that, because I think this speaks for itself. Checkmark. Box.


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    Oh Greendolphin should be on that list too. Doesn't post a ton but I see nothing but stacks of green checkmarks when he does.
    Bohb is the most tech-smart guy on these forums and that I've ever encountered on the internet, yet he gets bombarded with dumbs all the time. especially when he attempts to explain the advantages of CRT's as I often do.


    I get a lot of dumbs because I'm not afraid to say something contrary to popular thought, not because I give bad advice.

    Edited:

    But if I was some sort of tech illiterate it would be represented by how my posts are rated. I'll leave it at that, because I think this speaks for itself. Checkmark. Box.


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    Oh Greendolphin should be on that list too. Doesn't post a ton but I see nothing but stacks of green checkmarks when he does.
    Ok so don't bother having an open mind and/or doing any actual research just look at what a majority says and follow along like a lemming. Someone that thick skulled deserves what they get.

    EA's Call of Duty for the Xbox is the pinnacle of FPS right? i mean its so popular it must be awesome right?

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    I'd love for you to elaborate. If I were as dumb as you believe I am,
    You don't strike me as dumb, just ignorant.
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  20. Post #20

    April 2011
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    Mate, if you know so much already the why make a thread?

    Clearly because you've made this thread you feel that you can't do this yourself so stop trying to tell us what is best when that's what you came here to ask.
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  21. Post #21

    May 2010
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    For the record, I mentioned "high frames" because I am an avid CoD4 player. Having 125 or 250 or 333 fps gives you an advantage. And yes, this is USD in the US.
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    For the record, I mentioned "high frames" because I am an avid CoD4 player. Having 125 or 250 or 333 fps gives you an advantage. And yes, this is USD in the US.
    No it really doesn't. On a 60Hz monitor you'll see 60fps, end of story.
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  23. Post #23
    Folgergeist's Avatar
    December 2010
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    For the record, I mentioned "high frames" because I am an avid CoD4 player. Having 125 or 250 or 333 fps gives you an advantage. And yes, this is USD in the US.
    64gb of ram also gives you leet advantage

    remeber to turn the megagigahertz up really high
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  24. Post #24
    Dennab
    August 2011
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    Who's this "we"

    I have a monitor that displays 160hz

    Edited:

    However anything above 85 isn't noticeable. Unless you're using an LCD

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    lol upset they lack the balls to own a CRT
    are...are you proud you have a 30 pound fucking monitor?
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    For the record, I mentioned "high frames" because I am an avid CoD4 player. Having 125 or 250 or 333 fps gives you an advantage. And yes, this is USD in the US.
    Can you name two mice with no hardware flaws in the signal they send to the computer?
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  26. Post #26
    Dennab
    August 2011
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    Can you name two mice with no hardware flaws in the signal they send to the computer?
    Logitech g700?
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    Dennab
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    are...are you proud you have a 30 pound fucking monitor?
    I'm proud of my 21" Trinitron CRT, though it weighs closer to 70 lbs.
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  28. Post #28
    Dennab
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    I'm proud of my 21" Trinitron CRT, though it weighs closer to 70 lbs.
    That sucks :|
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  29. Post #29
    Folgergeist's Avatar
    December 2010
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    are...are you proud you have a 30 pound fucking monitor?
    84lbs actually.

    Yes.
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    Allstone's Avatar
    November 2010
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    Logitech g700?
    That one has inbuilt positive acceleration, if I recall. Also I'm seeing if he has any kind of credibility in stating that he requires more than 60 fps, so let him do it.
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  31. Post #31
    Dennab
    August 2011
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    84lbs actually.

    Yes.
    wat
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  33. Post #33
    Ruzza's Avatar
    December 2011
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    Wow people try to correct your shitty knowledge and you try and insult them by telling them that they're using "big" words. I believe personally you should go fuck yourself and stop asking for people to help and then just shut them down for "using big words".
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    For the record, I mentioned "high frames" because I am an avid CoD4 player. Having 125 or 250 or 333 fps gives you an advantage. And yes, this is USD in the US.
    please stop flaming him.
    He is right. In CoD4, having certain frame rates affects specific things in the game.
    For example at some frame rates you jump higher, and at some you throw your nade further.
    I do not know how it works, but as an ex-pro CoD4 player, I can confirm this.
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  35. Post #35
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    November 2011
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    This whole thread is full of stupid, can we just close this?



    except for garrynohome, only person whos said anything smart
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    This thread has a large amount of stupid but it's not all stupid.
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