1. Post #161
    Gold Member
    Matriax's Avatar
    November 2006
    726 Posts
    Claiming the Pentagon was hit by an American Airlines plane and then never showing evidence of it is a hole. Show the video of it happening and people will shut up.
    Oh for christ's sake.

    http://www.popularmechanics.com/tech...tagon#bigplane

    Again, just what are you suggesting that the alternative was? That the government deliberately tomahawked their own military HQ? To what possible end would they have to do such a thing? Surely if they were trying to convince their own population that war would be just they would hit a civilian target and cause more damage. God knows apparently you think they did that with the Twin Towers, why hit a military target elsewhere?

    Stop saying that people who believe the generally accepted version of events "suck". It's not even my god damn government and I think that it's true. I'm not a sheep, I'm not blind, I've just looked at the evidence and come to the fairly reasonable conclusion that the US Government did not orchestrate an attack on their own country.

    Beginning to sound like Four Lions... "Yes, it was us who bombed the mosque!".

  2. Post #162
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    Jookia's Avatar
    July 2007
    6,768 Posts
    Why would you believe that the most secure building in the world would only have 5 frames of footage? That place is covered in cameras that in 2001 would be capable of recording full video. There is no way they wouldn't have more footage of what happened that day yet we aren't allowed to see it.
    Why would you believe that they'd record full video for security reasons 24/7? Do you know how much space that'd take up, especially since digital video wasn't that popular back then? Tapes and whatnot actually take up resources. Hell, they may have had CCTV that wasn't recording, just viewing. Anything that would be recorded would obviously be low resolution to save space, not archive quality. Nobody knew 9/11 was going to happen.

    They had to scout out buildings to find tapes. Let's say that we're recording at 10FPS, which is more than enough for any on ground stuff, there's a plane speeding through the air and crashing in to a building. You'd be lucky to get a frame or two of that, let alone 5.

    Now, let me ask again, a bit more coherently: Where's your proof they have more than 5 frames of the crash? This may be a bit hard to answer, seeing as how conspiracy theories don't use any proof at all, just speculation.

  3. Post #163
    Echoplex's Avatar
    November 2010
    174 Posts
    Claiming the Pentagon was hit by an American Airlines plane and then never showing evidence of it is a hole. Show the video of it happening and people will shut up. It is you that doesn't look into things. You accept everything your government tells you without question even when there is a known history of lies in government.Even so people continue to fall for it and accept new ones all the time. It is you that sucks.
    To be fair, it seems rather naive to demand evidence, when evidence of he aftermath has already been provided within this thread itself, and then ignoring it completely. There are countless images of the debris of the plane, at the Pentagon almost immediately after collision. No, it may not be video but it is still proof. It also seems you can't call people out for not looking hard enough when you yourself have overlooked something not but 3 mouse clicks away.

  4. Post #164
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    Combin0wnage's Avatar
    September 2006
    1,259 Posts
    Here's another video of the crash into the Pentagon:

    Also, the reason why it took so long to get the footage, and why the government took the CCTV film so fast, was because it was an investigation.

    I mean if you look at any major investigation, you would see they weren't willing to release evidence or important documents so fast.

  5. Post #165
    Governor Goblin's Avatar
    December 2011
    2,782 Posts
    Claiming the Pentagon was hit by an American Airlines plane and then never showing evidence of it is a hole.
    I'm not responding to the rest of your post for one very simple reason.

    You LITERALLY just proved my point. This thread is saturated with proof of that exact thing.

    Edited:

    Why can't you type a reply without swearing? That just shows you are imature and incapable of conversation.
    Oh but ignoring all evidence that pretty much proves you wrong on all accounts with 'NOPE, NEVER HAPPENED' is mature? what the fuck.

    I hate this, that somehow you're immature for cursing. fuck you, if you're somehow offended by swearing and thinks you're incapable of conversation then you are not a person I want to converse with.

    There is NOTHING wrong with cursing.
    Why would you believe that the most secure building in the world would only have 5 frames of footage? That place is covered in cameras that in 2001 would be capable of recording full video. There is no way they wouldn't have more footage of what happened that day yet we aren't allowed to see it.

    /fin
    Secure for people trying to break in, not secure for a giant mother fucking plane smashing into it.

    I've BEEN to that car park, they have the cameras by the guard post only and around the front of the building, which is not in eye sight of where the attack was.

  6. Post #166
    Not that bad of a seed
    asteroidrules's Avatar
    January 2011
    11,403 Posts
    If you believe your Government tell's you the 100% truth. Well then you are very naive.
    This is one thing I hate about truthers: you see the whole world in black and white. Let me make this as clear as possible: just because we don't believe 9/11 was actually two lasers and an SSM rather than plane hijackings doesn't mean we immediately assume everything the government says is right.

    There are many holes in the official story of 9 / 11. That's why people are asking questions not because they love a good conspiracy.
    This would be a valid point if someone could manage to produce an alternate theory that had less holes, unfortunately they all have about 10 times as many.

    If the Government provided answers then it would all be over but they don't. Take the Pentagon for example. People had to go through the courts for years under the Freedom Of Information Act requesting the video footage on what happened there. After about 5 years they eventually release 5 frames from a CCTV camera that doesn't even show a plane. The Pentagon is covered in cameras and if an American Airline plane hit then it would be on tape somewhere.
    It's a crappy camera, but you can see a plane.

  7. Post #167
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    Sgt Doom's Avatar
    March 2005
    20,513 Posts
    For once I wish we could get a conspiracy nut here who doesn't regurgitate verbatim the same points that have been floating around and debunked since 2004. It's like Groundhog Day: Debate Edition

  8. Post #168
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    Jookia's Avatar
    July 2007
    6,768 Posts
    As RationalWiki pointed out, if they did actually have high resolution full speed video of the plane crashing, that'd probably be evidence of a conspiracy.

  9. Post #169
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    Matriax's Avatar
    November 2006
    726 Posts
    Also, why would Al-Qaeda claim responsibility for it if it genuinely wasn't them. It would be incredibly good for them if the American population thought their own government had done this. It would far strengthen Al-Qaeda's position.

  10. Post #170
    OvB
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    OvB's Avatar
    March 2007
    13,186 Posts
    Claiming the Pentagon was hit by an American Airlines plane and then never showing evidence of it is a hole. Show the video of it happening and people will shut up. It is you that doesn't look into things. You accept everything your government tells you without question even when there is a known history of lies in government.Even so people continue to fall for it and accept new ones all the time. It is you that sucks.

    The majority of people on the planet believe there is a magical wizard in the sky called god. They believe it because authority has convinced them of it and they have never openly and subjectively questioned it. Religion is just a man made system to control the masses and people buy it.

    The point is that I don't just buy into something because the "good guys" say it is so. I explore all avenues before I even begin to draw any conclusions.

    As said before it is fact that government have planned such things in the past in order to further their agenda. That is an indisputable fact which you can't deny. If they have planned such things in the past it is stupid to believe that they wouldn't do so again.

    I don't say 9/11 was definately an inside job, all I say is there are unanswered questions and until they are I won't just accept what authority would have me believe to be true.
    Allow me to post this again:
    This explains it pretty well.
    I suppose that's all fake though right?

    Edited:

    The plane WAS in the shot, it was just hidden behind the box. Security cameras always record in low frame rates because they sometimes record 24 hours a day. You don't even see them recording full speed video today.

  11. Post #171
    Dennab
    August 2011
    3,194 Posts
    You know what I hate? The fact that all conspiracy theorists, when talking about their conspiracy, literally act the exact same, so sure of themselves, so fucking adamant and so condescending.

  12. Post #172
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    Riller's Avatar
    October 2006
    9,848 Posts
    I look back in shame at the days I actually believed 9/11 was an inside job... God, I was a retard.

    I also used to be a communist, so I guess I was a multi-level retard.

  13. Post #173
    President of the Westboro Baptist Church Fan Club
    Dennab
    February 2012
    2,084 Posts
    You have to remember that the people at the top live in a completely different world to us peasants. What may sound terrible and inconcievable to you can just be necessary buisness to them.
    The fuck are you talking about?

  14. Post #174
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    Riller's Avatar
    October 2006
    9,848 Posts
    The fuck are you talking about?
    What he means is; THE MAYN'S KEEPIN' US DOOOWN, MAYYYN

  15. Post #175
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    zerglingv2's Avatar
    February 2006
    1,563 Posts
    I am surprised people seriously believe the US government is that competent to keep it a secret if it was an inside job, they seem to forget that the same people couldn't even keep a break in to a god damn hotel a secret.

    So how in the HELL could they keep this a secret?

  16. Post #176

    May 2012
    48 Posts
    Israel/Mossad did 9/11. I thought everyone knew that.

    The only group with the contacts, connections, motives and ability to carry out the attack then cover their trail and make huge profit from it too. The Israel/Mossad destruction of the twin towers was textbook and will be studied in the future as the perfect false flag operation. Israels/Mossads enemies became our enemies overnight and we have been fighting their wars for them in the Middle East ever since, with Iran next. And it looks like they will get away with it too. Brilliant. Absolutely superb job.

    'By way of deception, thou shalt do war' ~ Mossad

    (User was banned for this post ("This is not debating - Read the rules sticky." - Megafan))

    (User was liquidated for making this post. Criticism of Israel will not be tolerated)

  17. Post #177
    Not that bad of a seed
    asteroidrules's Avatar
    January 2011
    11,403 Posts
    Mossad did 9/11. I thought everyone knew that?.

    (War on terror).

    'By way of deception, thou shalt do war'
    Do you have any evidence to back up that claim?

  18. Post #178
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    Riller's Avatar
    October 2006
    9,848 Posts
    Obama did 9/11 to lead Bush into two wars that'll get him unpopular so the dems would win the next two terms. Obviously. That's why his middle name is Hussein, and his name is an anagram for Osama.

  19. Post #179
    President of the Westboro Baptist Church Fan Club
    Dennab
    February 2012
    2,084 Posts
    Obama did 9/11 to lead Bush into two wars that'll get him unpopular so the dems would win the next two terms. Obviously. That's why his middle name is Hussein, and his name is an anagram for Osama.
    Dude this is the obvious solution. Why do you even need to post this?

  20. Post #180
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    cheezey's Avatar
    February 2009
    1,979 Posts
    Also, why would Al-Qaeda claim responsibility for it if it genuinely wasn't them. It would be incredibly good for them if the American population thought their own government had done this. It would far strengthen Al-Qaeda's position.
    Many supporters of the 9/11-inside-job theory think Al-Quaida is an American puppet organisation. So America could make them claim responsibility for whatever they want.

  21. Post #181
    [GRiM]'s Avatar
    December 2010
    3,183 Posts
    I think it was just a group of people who were so pissed off at us they decided to take their own life rather than do nothing about us.

  22. Post #182
    Frodo Baggins's Avatar
    April 2012
    98 Posts
    I think it was just a group of people who were so pissed off at us they decided to take their own life rather than do nothing about us.
    But why would they take their own lives? Why not just make a plan that can be executed without them getting themselves killed.
    Maybe they'd rather take their own life than face the consequences of their actions?

  23. Post #183
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    Wormy's Avatar
    July 2010
    8,159 Posts
    But why would they take their own lives? Why not just make a plan that can be executed without them getting themselves killed.
    Maybe they'd rather take their own life than face the consequences of their actions?
    The thing is, it's easier to kill other people if you kill yourself (Example: Suicide bombing). It is also something they do for Allah, according to the terrorists (It's funny because they are violating the "don't kill" rule in the Koran, so they are actually going to hell). They also want to become a martyr and get remembered in the future by other terrorists. If the terrorists are not muslims, then it's of course different, but I think they want to become a martyr aswell.

  24. Post #184
    Craig Willmore's Avatar
    February 2011
    1,416 Posts
    (User was liquidated for making this post. Criticism of Israel will not be tolerated)

    ummm have you been to the news section

    it's pretty much a circle-jerk about how terrible israel is lol

  25. Post #185
    Not that bad of a seed
    asteroidrules's Avatar
    January 2011
    11,403 Posts
    ummm have you been to the news section

    it's pretty much a circle-jerk about how terrible israel is lol
    He's trying and failing to say that because he got banned for making a dumb post about Mossad that apparently means this is all a Jewish conspiracy.

  26. Post #186
    Ask me about my secret society of Jihadist Mexican Lobsters
    Michael haxz's Avatar
    July 2010
    1,270 Posts
    I don't think the Government planned this

    You gain nothing out of thousands of dead bodies and millions in the the cost of destruction to the World Trade Center and the Pentagon

  27. Post #187
    I don't think the Government planned this

    You gain nothing out of thousands of dead bodies and millions in the the cost of destruction to the World Trade Center and the Pentagon
    patriot act

    a fearful public is easier to control.

  28. Post #188
    Ask me about my secret society of Jihadist Mexican Lobsters
    Michael haxz's Avatar
    July 2010
    1,270 Posts
    patriot act

    a fearful public is easier to control.
    And when it's discovered, it will come back and bite you in the ass like a angry gator.


    There's always a better way then harming innocent people.

  29. Post #189
    quality poster
    Dennab
    August 2009
    12,242 Posts
    -necro bump after being linked here from a recent thread, my bad-

  30. Post #190
    Lord_Ragnarok's Avatar
    July 2009
    2,097 Posts
    Let me ask conspiracy theorists a question: If the government plotted 9/11 as an excuse to invade Iraq, why would they make it appear that it was plotted by a group that Saddam Hussein was enemies with?

  31. Post #191
    GenPol's Avatar
    June 2012
    546 Posts
    I'm getting more and more disappointed with the Facepunch demographics.

    There's such a large number of libertarians, conspiracy theorists, anarchists, and other crackpots on it now.

    And yes, 9/11 was a conspiracy. A conspiracy by Osama Bin Laden and al-Qaeda.

  32. Post #192
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    Zally13's Avatar
    July 2008
    4,976 Posts
    I'm getting more and more disappointed with the Facepunch demographics.

    There's such a large number of libertarians, conspiracy theorists, anarchists, and other crackpots on it now.

    And yes, 9/11 was a conspiracy. A conspiracy by Osama Bin Laden and al-Qaeda.
    I'm sorry that this forum is a diverse place where people with differing opinions came here primarily for the love of a Half-Life 2 mod. There's nothing wrong with differing opinions, even if you might think they're crackpots.

  33. Post #193
    GenPol's Avatar
    June 2012
    546 Posts
    I'm sorry that this forum is a diverse place where people with differing opinions came here primarily for the love of a Half-Life 2 mod. There's nothing wrong with differing opinions, even if you might think they're crackpots.
    There's something wrong when these different opinions are caused by logical fallacies and a lack of skepticism, and when such a lack of skeptical tools leads to circular reasoning, which in turn leads to the futility of debate for a great deal of these people.

  34. Post #194
    Not that bad of a seed
    asteroidrules's Avatar
    January 2011
    11,403 Posts
    I'm sorry that this forum is a diverse place where people with differing opinions came here primarily for the love of a Half-Life 2 mod. There's nothing wrong with differing opinions, even if you might think they're crackpots.
    Usually there's nothing wrong with differing opinions, but sometimes, with opinions like these, there is.

  35. Post #195
    Clutzoid's Avatar
    May 2012
    9 Posts
    Illuminati.

  36. Post #196
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    jeimizu's Avatar
    August 2007
    6,421 Posts
    Claiming the Pentagon was hit by an American Airlines plane and then never showing evidence of it is a hole. Show the video of it happening and people will shut up. It is you that doesn't look into things.
    In addition to the videos other people posted, it's worth noting that this happened in the morning in one of the largest cities in the United States, so there were hundreds of eye witnesses, unless you're claiming that they were all part of the conspiracy.

    Furthermore, if you are trying to say that something other than a plane hit the pentagon, you have to explain the disappearance of a 757 and its 59 passengers, some of whom called their family members and told them the plane had been hijacked, so you would have to add them to the list of conspirators too. So now your list of conspirators includes the US government, American Airlines, the people on board Flight 77, and everyone in Washington DC who saw the plane as it flew over the city before crashing into the Pentagon. Are you starting to understand why that theory is a bit silly yet?

    If not, consider the fact that passengers remains and airplane wreckage were found at the Pentagon crash site and the remains were DNA tested, so now to keep the conspiracy going, you either have to add more conspirators faking the DNA evidence and bringing in pieces of planes, or come up with an ever more ridiculous theory that the passengers of Flight 77 were executed elsewhere and their remains were brought in to the crash site as part of the cover-up.

  37. Post #197
    supertribute's Avatar
    March 2012
    1,701 Posts
    http://motherless.com/74FA2EE Warning, Site itself, is mostly adult content with nudity, etc

    Anyone seen this one? What.

    (User was banned for this post ("What are you doing?" - Craptasket))

  38. Post #198
    quality poster
    Dennab
    August 2009
    12,242 Posts
    http://motherless.com/74FA2EE Warning, Site itself, is mostly adult content with nudity, etc

    Anyone seen this one? What.
    this is a joke

    right

  39. Post #199
    mike55's Avatar
    December 2009
    710 Posts
    this is a joke

    right
    no, it is clearly 100% completely serious.

  40. Post #200
    boy i sure do love it when my title doesnt fit
    LuaChobo's Avatar
    December 2009
    6,495 Posts
    9/11 was caused by kangaroos
    this is what australians actually believe

    seriously shutup

    (User was banned for this post ("This is NOT debating" - Craptasket))