1. Post #3201
     
    ijyt's Avatar
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    Ok sweet, at the moment I run the game at medium at 1080p and I only get about 30-40 fps.
    Now, I heard that BF3 has screen tearing when your using crossfire/sli. What exactly is screen tearing?
    Screen tearing, in a simple explanation, is when your monitor's refresh rate can't keep up with your FPS. Enabling VSync in options fixes that by limiting your maximum FPS to be in-sync with your monitors refresh rate.
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  2. Post #3202
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    Ok sweet, at the moment I run the game at medium at 1080p and I only get about 30-40 fps.
    Now, I heard that BF3 has screen tearing when your using crossfire/sli. What exactly is screen tearing?
    Oooh don't forget micro-stuttering!
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    Ok sweet, at the moment I run the game at medium at 1080p and I only get about 30-40 fps.
    Now, I heard that BF3 has screen tearing when your using crossfire/sli. What exactly is screen tearing?

    This is an extreme case but shows it off pretty well, Vsync is what gets rid of this (most of the time)

    Edited:

    Oooh don't forget micro-stuttering!
    Believe it or not, some people don't care about Micro-stutter. Some people can't help but notice it and hate it and some people just ignore it.
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    This is an extreme case but shows it off pretty well, Vsync is what gets rid of this (most of the time)
    Ah, that explains 2 questions.
    I see that shit all the time while watching TV through my capture card or editing videos.
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  5. Post #3205
     
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    I don't understand, they perform about the same and 7850 would be future proof while using less power and Crossfire support in many games is lacking. Single GPU is almost always more compatible then dual or quad GPU solutions. 7850 also has more overclocking headroom and has 2GB of ram which will do well in a year or two then he can Crossfire another 7850.
    Via http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/302 and http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/549



    Further more, a single 7850 offers what, 10fps gain in Crysis Warhead over a single 6850. And in a year or two, he'll be wanting to upgrade to a better card, so why spend more money on an insignificant upgrade when he can spend less money on a better upgrade in regards to his current set up, while tiding him over well enough for the 7xx and 8xxx series?
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  6. Post #3206
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    Seriously Single-GPU setup is almost always better then a multi-GPU setup in terms of compatibility with games. You're better off doing a 7850 single, then Crossfire down the line since 7000's scale better in Crossfire then the 6000's. Plus the 2GB of VRAM will be nice down the line.

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    Via http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/302 and http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/549



    Further more, a single 7850 offers what, 10fps gain in Crysis Warhead over a single 6850. And in a year or two, he'll be wanting to upgrade to a better card, so why spend more money on an insignificant upgrade when he can spend less money on a better upgrade in regards to his current set up, while tiding him over well enough for the 7xx and 8xxx series?
    Future proofing, more VRAM and better Crossfire scaling for down the line. I'm thinking he might aswell go with the 7850 as it uses a ton less power then a crossfire setup would while performing about the same and supporting DX11.1 and doing Tessellation better.

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    This is an extreme case but shows it off pretty well, Vsync is what gets rid of this (most of the time)

    Edited:



    Believe it or not, some people don't care about Micro-stutter. Some people can't help but notice it and hate it and some people just ignore it.
    I find it so annoying.. when you're aiming in battle or something then your mouse stutters back getting you shot or something.
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  7. Post #3207
     
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    Seriously Single-GPU setup is almost always better then a multi-GPU setup in terms of compatibility with games. You're better off doing a 7850 single, then Crossfire down the line since 7000's scale better in Crossfire then the 6000's. Plus the 2GB of VRAM will be nice down the line.
    If you are so adamant that multi-GPU is so "incompatible" then why do you keep saying he can get another 7850 "down the line". A 6850 now is over $100 cheaper than a 7850. Crossfire 6850 is superior to single 6850. "Down the line" is irrelevant when there'll be faster cards than the 7850 out.

    Stop wasting my time.
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  8. Post #3208
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    all the dumb stuff you said
    snip
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  9. Post #3209
    If you are so adamant that multi-GPU is so "incompatible" then why do you keep saying he can get another 7850 "down the line". A 6850 now is over $100 cheaper than a 7850. Crossfire 6850 is superior to single 6850. "Down the line" is irrelevant when there'll be faster cards than the 7850 out.

    Stop wasting my time.


    A single GPU will always scale correctly.

    A multiGPU system won't always. But newer generations of cards have progressively better support and scaling. So a 7850 is the best choice. Because when you can go for crossfire 7850;s they will work better together than 6850's.
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  10. Post #3210
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    If you are so adamant that multi-GPU is so "incompatible" then why do you keep saying he can get another 7850 "down the line". A 6850 now is over $100 cheaper than a 7850. Crossfire 6850 is superior to single 6850. "Down the line" is irrelevant when there'll be faster cards than the 7850 out.

    Stop wasting my time.

    6000 Series crossfire scaling is worse then 7000 series

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    I love how I get spammed shit when giving the correct information yet the person above me does not.
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  11. Post #3211
    Also a single 7850 will use less power, generate less heat, and will be quieter, and will be first in line for any AMD technologies.

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    Because I'm explaining in simple terms.
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  12. Post #3212
     
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    A single GPU will always scale correctly.

    A multiGPU system won't always. But newer generations of cards have progressively better support and scaling. So a 7850 is the best choice. Because when you can go for crossfire 7850;s they will work better together than 6850's.
    But monetarily it isn't! He'd be spending $500 instead of only $150 for a family that'll be replaced in half a year.

    Then when that comes around you will be saying "oh just crossfire 7850 it will perform better then the 8850"

    6000 Series crossfire scaling is worse then 7000 series

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    I love how I get spammed shit when giving the correct information yet the person above me does not.
    What the FUCK, that's exactly what you've been saying for the past page!
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    Where did you get $500 from?
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    Then when that comes around you will be saying "oh just crossfire 7850 it will perform better then the 8850"

    6000 Series crossfire scaling is worse then 7000 series

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    I love how I get spammed shit when giving the correct information yet the person above me does not.
    Learn what subjective matter is. If he were to say that, he would have to back it up with evidence which he fucking did with the 6850's, they do perform better and now you're being a butthurt bitch.
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    But monetarily it isn't! He'd be spending $500 instead of only $150 for a family that'll be replaced in half a year.



    What the FUCK, that's exactly what you've been saying for the past page!
    meh I misunderstood you and worded my shit wrong.

    Edited:

    Learn what subjective matter is. If he were to say that, he would have to back it up with evidence which he fucking did with the 6850's, they do perform better and now you're being a butthurt bitch.
    wingless werent you raging like 5 pages ago because I rated you dumb or something?
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  16. Post #3216
     
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    Where did you get $500 from?
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814161406 multiplied by two.
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  17. Post #3217
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    Well, I'm probably going to end up replacing just about everything in my build because I made some bad decisions with my build (Thanks, /b/!). For now I'm just going to go with a 6850 because I need an upgrade sooner than later.
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    But monetarily it isn't! He'd be spending $500 instead of only $150 for a family that'll be replaced in half a year.



    What the FUCK, that's exactly what you've been saying for the past page!
    And now I think you're going too far.
    There's no saying the 7850's will be the same price in a year or two, guessing $500 is a bad idea, they might fall to the price of the 6850's in the future. It's best to leave that one in the air.
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  19. Post #3219
     
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    Also what did I mess up in regards to the v-sync explanation?
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  20. Post #3220
    We should all ignore smace or something
    Luckily I have overv's thing and can see he's dumb without even reading his posts

    I mean he's not dumb, he just forces opinions on things he doesn't know jackshit about
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  21. Post #3221
    Why would he buy two cards right off the bat?

    I thought we're looking at a 7850 versus a second 6850?

    Isn't it $150 versus $250? If he has a good case and good powersupply, go with a second 6850. Otherwise a 7850 will be simpler to work with, will always scale correctly, will be cooler, quieter, and use less power, and will be smaller.

    Depends if $100 more-ish is worth it to him. He'll have to sell off two 6850's when he eventually upgrades though.
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  22. Post #3222
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    No, you misunderstood me. I said get 7850 NOW then crossfire down the line because he will have to upgrade sooner if he buys another 6850 and there is no guarantee when it comes to Crossfire scaling with the 6000 series. Plus 1GB VRAM will become obsolete in a year or two.
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  23. Post #3223
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    Is it just me or is everyone in this thread stubborn as hell?
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    And a 750w psu would work right?
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    Well, I'm probably going to end up replacing just about everything in my build because I made some bad decisions with my build (Thanks, /b/!). For now I'm just going to go with a 6850 because I need an upgrade sooner than later.
    You took advice from /b/?






    oh god why

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    And a 750w psu would work right?
    750watt could SLI 680's. That's plenty for anything.
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  26. Post #3226
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    750W might be overkill if he cares about efficiency.
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  27. Post #3227
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    750W might be overkill if he cares about efficiency.
    It will only draw what it needs
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  28. Post #3228
     
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    Why would he buy two cards right off the bat?

    I thought we're looking at a 7850 versus a second 6850?

    Isn't it $150 versus $250? If he has a good case and good powersupply, go with a second 6850. Otherwise a 7850 will be simpler to work with, will always scale correctly, will be cooler, quieter, and use less power, and will be smaller.

    Depends if $100 more-ish is worth it to him. He'll have to sell off two 6850's when he eventually upgrades though.
    So if it's versus 6850 vs a single 7850 why is the "down the line" crossfire even an option? It's irrelevant in this situation because he wants the best upgrade he can get now, and that would be a second 6850.
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    You took advice from /b/?






    oh god why
    Well the only thing they screwed up on was the motherboard and maybe the case.

    I would have came here if i knew of facepunch.
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  30. Post #3230
    Depends on the efficiency curve. Some can be efficient quite well in a wide range.
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  31. Post #3231
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    Is it just me or is everyone in this thread stubborn as hell?
    That and shit like a GPU dispute somehow makes people pissed off and angry so one guy starts flaming then E-drama erupts giving the rest of the forum a good laugh.
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    So if it's versus 6850 vs a single 7850 why is the "down the line" crossfire even an option? It's irrelevant in this situation because he wants the best upgrade he can get now, and that would be a second 6850.
    Not necessarily, Performance isn't everything. Sometimes it's worth sacrificing performance for better heat, power, noise levels, etc
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    So if it's versus 6850 vs a single 7850 why is the "down the line" crossfire even an option? It's irrelevant in this situation because he wants the best upgrade he can get now, and that would be a second 6850.
    As I've been mentioning, it depends on what his goals are. If it's purely performance, he should go with another 6850.

    This is complicated because the 6850 is in such an odd price bracket.
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  34. Post #3234
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    It will only draw what it needs
    Do you not understand what I said?
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  35. Post #3235
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    Do you not understand what I said?
    Do you understand how electricity works?

    A 750W PSU is only expensive upfront. If he bought a 1000W PSU his energy costs would be the same because the PC would draw the same amount of power.
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  36. Post #3236
    I don't think Protocol knows how PSU's work.
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  37. Post #3237
     
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    As I've been mentioning, it depends on what his goals are. If it's purely performance, he should go with another 6850.

    This is complicated because the 6850 is in such an odd price bracket.
    And that's where basic inference comes in. He mentioned he wanted to buy a 670 but couldn't afford it at the time. Now, unless I'm a freak of nature, I wouldn't be buying a 670 because it runs a little cooler or uses less power than my current card, it's because it has a massive gain in performance.
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  38. Post #3238
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    Does anyone know where I can get that greasemonkey script that completely hides blocked users posts?
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  39. Post #3239
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    Do you understand how electricity works?

    A 750W PSU is only expensive upfront. If he bought a 1000W PSU his energy costs would be the same because the PC would draw the same amount of power.
    Efficiency key word here. Alot of power supplies are less then 80% if you use like 50% of its capability. Simple terms for you..
    BRT what am I doing wrong I thought this was widely known..?
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    Heres my PSU if anyone's wondering
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817553005
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