[TurbisV2]

so if i understand correctly, the goonswarm is a very big group of players who are really really good at organising attacks?

[Lord of Ears]

eve players, imagine the time dilation when they try to pull this off
oh god

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TurbisV2 posted:

so if i understand correctly, the goonswarm is a very big group of players who are really really good at organising attacks?

it's not that they're really good strategists or anything, there's just fucking thousands of them

[DinoJesus]

usaokay posted:

they should also destroy tf2's economy

I think its already been destroyed.

[Van-man]

DinoJesus posted:

I think its already been destroyed.

It was pretty much stillborn.

[ShadowSocks8]

That Titan takedown video still gives me chills. That was such huge news back then.

[Greenen72]

It's pretty funny how this thing went from "HOLY SHIT, this is awesome!" to "man hes a 10 year old leading dumbshits this is getting old" around the time people got to reading the end of the article

[Fhux]

I would never be able to play EVE, I'm too lazy, but I really do love reading about it.

[Van-man]

Greenen72 posted:

It's pretty funny how this thing went from "HOLY SHIT, this is awesome!" to "man hes a 10 year old leading dumbshits this is getting old" around the time people got to reading the end of the article

Well both parts are true.
the first bit is what makes EVE Online unique, though the latter part is a result of being a popular game.

[dass]

Madman_Andre posted:

Gianturco is an asshat that got banned fo0r a month because he was an asshole.

Now he's gotten Goonswarm, who are a rather large Null-Sec Alliance(the terminology gets worse from here on in, grab a glossary) that own their own swath of space to back him up in his Crusade. Other null-sec alliances and pretty much everyone for that matter despise them all because the corporations in Goonswarm are composed of mostly trolls and assholes.

Hope that was descriptive enough.

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No sense of scale, that station is about a hundred kilometers wide. and your tiny little meters-long starship...?

That was a very nice description actualy thank you.

Seen lots of asshats like those. Some are fun to fight, others are just... fuck...

[Doneeh]

JoeSkylynx posted:

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The Swarm. They take ships such as the T1 Cruiser[noob ship] and take down Titans. One of the most expensive/hard produce ships in the game...

For some reason, I was sort of reminded of a bunch of fat nerds hunting a gigantic mammoth with a bunch of sticks and finally rejoicing at food as they somehow managed to overexert the beast and make it die.

[Sgt-NiallR]

I just checked it out and recorded it, uploading the video now.

[dass]

JoeSkylynx posted:

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The Swarm. They take ships such as the T1 Cruiser[noob ship] and take down Titans. One of the most expensive/hard produce ships in the game...

Wow.

They are comparable to 2 guilds and their leaders from this MMO I play every now and then. Theres NoFear and NightmareOfGamers, and back in the days when people kicked the shit out of everyone in Chaos Arenas (matches against monsters, you have to wait a few minutes for the gates to break and then monsters spawn gradually in an arena and you have to kill them)
They just went in, killed everyone that wasn't from their guilds and then would do it alone. Then there was TehNewWizard who will report you and get you banned if you call him something mean and his NoFear guild who loves him (the only people who do so, everyone else really hates him, me included as I have fallen into that ban shit)

This kind of stuff is nice actually.

[kenji]

TurbisV2 posted:

so if i understand correctly, the goonswarm is a very big group of players who are really really good at organising attacks?

Goons came into the game and completly threw off the metagame at the time, they were the first people to use a swarm of smaller ships to get up close to bigger ships and just chip away at them while speed tanking the turrets (larger turrets have a tracking speed, if you can out-fly that, you won't get hit) Back then the metagame was more "drop bigger ships on them" so goons easilly cut themselves a slice of soverign pie, they made the game accessible to newbies.

[MaxOfS2D]

Lord of Ears posted:

eve players, imagine the time dilation when they try to pull this off

what's time dilation?

[Sgt-NiallR]

MaxOfS2D posted:

what's time dilation?

Lag reduction measure, rather than have the server do everything at real time, the more strain it's under, the slower it runs "time" meaning it has more time to do each bit.

Slows fights down, but stops them being a slideshow like before.

Edit: it's only for that solar system though

[Crimor]

TurbisV2 posted:

so if i understand correctly, the goonswarm is a very big group of players who are really really good at organising attacks?

Goons are a bunch of uncouth, savage, crass, foul-mouthed, vulgar, immature, racist-epithet-uttering ogres who can't seem to say one sentence or make a single joke without using the worst of the worst profanity (or referring to some body function, bodily fluid, or body part, then giggling like a 10-year-old), originating from SomethingAwful, they use power in numbers and dastardly acts to win battles and wars. And they're the most hilarious fucking people to be around ever.

And this will give you everything you never wanted to know about Goonswarm:

[Revan564]

I wish this happened when I played. :(

[SCopE5000]

There's money to be made!

Quick, everyone grab boosted BCs and head to jita, align, grab loot, warp.

[Madman_Andre]

Doneeh posted:

For some reason, I was sort of reminded of a bunch of fat nerds hunting a gigantic mammoth with a bunch of sticks and finally rejoicing at food as they somehow managed to overexert the beast and make it die.

A titan battle in a nutshell when the other side has nothing larger than a battleship. Titans as it is are giant support vessels and have little in the way of offensive firepower when fitted that way(though they can fit a staggering six of the extra-large starbase weapons each if you want to go pure combat with them, though it's an utter waste to do so).

If you want a good euphemism for Goonswarm's strategy, the bee motif they sport works well; a swarm of tiny opponents overwhelming a much bigger foe by sheer numbers alone.

[Sgt-NiallR]

Sometimes I like to equate Goonswarm to the dude flying this mothership:

[Timebomb575]

NoDachi posted:

I don't see how they can 'destroy' the economy. I mean, industrial players who don't base in Jita must be laughing all the way to the bank.

Ships got to be made somewhere.

Essentially what they are doing now would be like taking thousands of tanks and blockading the NY stock exchange and most major ports and manufacturing facilities in the US.

[Dysgalt]

Has Jita crashed yet?

[katbug]

wait


so they are destroying every single person's money except their own? they will become FABULOUSLY wealthy, as they hold all the money in the game

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it's genious

[Sgt-NiallR]

krazipanda posted:

wait


so they are destroying every single person's money except their own? they will become FABULOUSLY wealthy, as they hold all the money in the game

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it's genious

well, not really. Money in EVE is digitially stored, like money IRL is when on a credit card.

they're less destroying money, more preventing it from flowing smoothly.

[Timebomb575]

krazipanda posted:

wait


so they are destroying every single person's money except their own? they will become FABULOUSLY wealthy, as they hold all the money in the game

Edited:

it's genious

No, they are just siegeing all the stations. Most peoples wealth in in said indestructible stations.

So they are basically making the economy grind to a halt

[Crimor]

krazipanda posted:

wait


so they are destroying every single person's money except their own? they will become FABULOUSLY wealthy, as they hold all the money in the game

Edited:

it's genious

That's not really the goon way, they're doing it to make grown men cry, profit is secondary.

[Madman_Andre]

Sgt-NiallR posted:

Sometimes I like to equate Goonswarm to the dude flying this mothership:

And that's why they don't allow anything larger than an Orca in High-Sec anymore...

[Sgt-NiallR]

Madman_Andre posted:

And that's why they don't allow anything larger than an Orca in High-Sec anymore...

'cept the veldnought, of course.

[Ereunity]

Goonswarm are actually pretty clever because they pull newbies into the game and pretty much turn them into their own private army while teaching people how the game works.

[Griffster26]

I remember on EVE when a group got a hit on another player, they sent in moles and double agents before the date, they ambushed her, killed her and then destroyed her escape pod to make sure, and then they took everything the owned from their hangars.

[Doneeh]

Madman_Andre posted:

A titan battle in a nutshell when the other side has nothing larger than a battleship. Titans as it is are giant support vessels and have little in the way of offensive firepower when fitted that way(though they can fit a staggering six of the extra-large starbase weapons each if you want to go pure combat with them, though it's an utter waste to do so).

If you want a good euphemism for Goonswarm's strategy, the bee motif they sport works well; a swarm of tiny opponents overwhelming a much bigger foe by sheer numbers alone.

Yo man, no offense, but I didn't understand even half of the shit you said in parentheses. But yeah, I get the gist of it.

[Sgt-NiallR]

Here it is, might be a few minutes to process though.

[ZF911]

Only played the trial of EVE, but isn't stuff like this the purpose of the game? Being able to change things immensely with individual player actions? I don't see why people are so angry at the devs for being okay with this, wouldn't them forcefully preventing this ruin the entire premise of the game?

Again I don't know much about EVE, but is that station they're attacking player owned or something? Or did the developers add huge stations in the game allowing players to destroy them at will?

[MightyMax]

Im going to jita in a damn well tanked dominix that'll last ~5 seconds. glad it's a 'cheap' ship.

[ZF911]

JoeSkylynx posted:

I've gotten reports from friends inside of EvE that Goonswarm has locked down the Jita Station with 'Kill Everything' in effect.

Does that mean they were successful?

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Just wondering, in my opinion at this point starting EVE would be too overwhelming seeing as most players are so dedicated and experienced. Would trying to start now be a futile process?

[Sgt-NiallR]

ZF911 posted:

Does that mean they were successful?

Edited:

Just wondering, in my opinion at this point starting EVE would be too overwhelming seeing as most players are so dedicated and experienced. Would trying to start now be a futile process?

naw, loads of people will help you, if you want I can give you a free 21 day trial and some starting money

and you can't kill stations, they have infinite HP and even then, the npc police will rape you real fast

[Mr. Smartass]

Kendra posted:

Scamming people is also legit. CCP just says that you shouldn't be a moron and then you won't be scammed, and it's true too.

All role-playing games should have this stance.

[AzureAngelic]

just got a friend to explain it to me since i don't play eve

to put in simple terms for those of you who are confused, jita is like a big bank. you can't destroy the bank, but people have to fly to and from it to store and retrieve items, and it's generally a place where people trade. to dissuade people from just griefing it 24/7 there are basically-invincible npc ships that, if someone's ship gets exploded, hunt down and kill everyone responsible

what the goons are doing is they spent 4 months making a really REALLY big fleet of 'cheap'ish ships, and they're simply massing jita by the thousands and suicide bombing everyone who tries to enter or exit it. since items and such are physically stored in jita, you have to fly up to jita to collect your things and then fly away, and when you do it the goons blow up your bigass freighter ship and take all your stuff. the police npcs kill them, but it's a suicide mission anyway

it's like if sixteen thousand thugs with guns stood outside the national bank of america and shot anyone entering or leaving, and the cops weren't allowed to arrest them until they shot somebody

[Baldr 2.0]

TurbisV2 posted:

so if i understand correctly, the goonswarm is a very big group of players who are really really good at organising attacks?

Across all games goons tactic, piss them off and you get drowned by them. (Fight five and a few hundred get recruited for SA) Except for fucking shit up and creating drama there isn't much organising.

[Van-man]

ZF911 posted:

Only played the trial of EVE, but isn't stuff like this the purpose of the game? Being able to change things immensely with individual player actions? I don't see why people are so angry at the devs for being okay with this, wouldn't them forcefully preventing this ruin the entire premise of the game?

Again I don't know much about EVE, but is that station they're attacking player owned or something? Or did the developers add huge stations in the game allowing players to destroy them at will?

People are not mad at WHAT they're doing, but rather WHY they're doing it in the first place.
_{(well except for the good ol' "because i can" excuse)}