1. Post #321
    voodooattack's Avatar
    October 2009
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    I forgot that they only had to be professional when everybody is circle jerking over their product instead of actually providing criticism.



    And yet here is where your constructive criticism stands:

    I'm not going to use a product built by a small team that call themselves "professionals" and yet are incredibly unprofessional in every way.

    Also the only reason you aren't open sourcing it is because you know your code is shit.

  2. Post #322
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    And yet here is what your constructive criticism stands:
    I wasn't claiming that was constructive criticism. I was criticizing their reaction to other people's constructive criticism.

    It was quite poor. You can clearly see how professional they are when they rate anybody who disagrees with them dumb.

    That's the mark of a great, professional company, folks!
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  3. Post #323
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    I wasn't claiming that was constructive criticism. I was criticizing their reaction to other people's constructive criticism.

    It was quite poor. You can clearly see how professional they are when they rate anybody who disagrees with them dumb.

    That's the mark of a great, professional company, folks!
    What you're describing is forum etiquette, not professionalism.
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  4. Post #324
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    I gotta agree they sound very unprofessional. Especially with the whole "I have the answer to your question but I must call a team meeting before I can release it to you!"

  5. Post #325
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    What you're describing is forum etiquette, not professionalism.
    I highly doubt they'll ever make money acting like a bunch of seventh graders.
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  6. Post #326
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    Every negative comment that doesn't help us or anyone else thats already helping, will literally just be ignored. I say this with a lot of respect, and I really do look forward to any contributions you have in the future.

  7. Post #327
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    Rating them dumb is not ignoring them.
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  8. Post #328
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    While I don't like how it looks at present, I find their attempts at making an IDE admirable. They're getting to try out something new -- even if it doesn't go to plan, everyone benefits. I think everyone's getting a little too tense, anyhow.
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  9. Post #329
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    While I don't like how it looks at present, I find their attempts at making an IDE admirable. They're getting to try out something new -- even if it doesn't go to plan, everyone benefits. I think everyone's getting a little too tense, anyhow.
    Everyone WOULD benefit if it were, you know, open source.
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  10. Post #330
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    Everyone WOULD benefit if it were, you know, open source.
    You continue moaning about something you know is not going to happen right?

  11. Post #331
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    You continue moaning about something you know is not going to happen right?
    Apparently I have no right to voice my opinion about an incredibly stupid thing.

    Okay.
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  12. Post #332
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    Everyone WOULD benefit if it were, you know, open source.
    The reality is that it's just not feasible for them to go open-source right now, for whatever reason. I'd like to see it develop and get better before you shoot it down for its distribution methodology; for all you know, their view on the matter could change. For now, I'm intent with just watching it grow into an actual product.
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  13. Post #333
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    Everyone WOULD benefit if it were, you know, open source.
    You can't pressure people into making the choices you like.
    Like it or not, it's their call, they get to make their own decisions.
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  14. Post #334
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    May 2012
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    Apparently I have no right to voice my opinion about an incredibly stupid thing.

    Okay.
    No... it is just that the issue has been addressed and all you are doing is reviving something what has died already. no one wants to hear bantering on something what has already been decided upon... you cannot just be the good member and read up on the previous posts, see they made up their mind and leave it at that....
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  15. Post #335
    No... it is just that the issue has been addressed and all you are doing is reviving something what has died already. no one wants to hear bantering on something what has already been decided upon... you cannot just be the good member and read up on the previous posts, see they made up their mind and leave it at that....
    Hearing the same thing multiple times when you're designing a product is something you should be grateful for. The volume of feedback tells you which things are more beneficial to address first and what is going to provide more value to your users/customers.
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  16. Post #336
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    January 2012
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    I love the concept art for the GUI! I would be totally on board to use this when it comes out if it supports Windows, and doesn't sacrifice features for design.
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    Apparently I have no right to voice my opinion about an incredibly stupid thing.

    Okay.
    I understand how open source is all around a better scenario for the general public, but I don't understand your stigma against them keeping their project closed. It is their choice and it isn't stupid.
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  18. Post #338
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    Wow, what a bunch of jelly beans in this thread.
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  19. Post #339
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    January 2011
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    If you guys ever go with the paid license model, I hope you also do a trial application. Kind of like with "Visual Studio Express" vs "Visual Studio Professional", where as the first is for educational purposes and has less features.
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  20. Post #340
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    I love the concept art for the GUI! I would be totally on board to use this when it comes out if it supports Windows, and doesn't sacrifice features for design.
    It will support Windows, and does not sacrifice features for design :)

  21. Post #341
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    Everyone WOULD benefit if it were, you know, open source.
    You are what is wrong with Open Source. Open Source is not about harassing developers to give you their code. It is about freedom of choice; being abusive to people who exercise their ability to make their own choice over how and to whom they distribute their code is neither constructive, nor fitting with the ethic of what you're trying so hard to push.
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  22. Post #342
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    June 2010
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    i am looking at these pictures in the op and it's making me have a seizure
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  23. Post #343
    Dennab
    February 2012
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    Honestly, sublime text is just about the best looking IDE/text editor I've seen.

    HardCode is a little too much like a sci-fi FUI for my liking.

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  24. Post #344
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    I'm taking it personally because these guys are taking it personally. Every post of theirs reeks of amateurism.

    And the difference is that I don't claim to be professional while they do.
    You asked for it.
    Granted, you don't claim to be professional. Instead you keep shouting about how you're experienced in the field which is just as douchy.
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  25. Post #345
    Neigh
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    -lol 2 year old thread-

    point still stands though
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  26. Post #346
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    April 2010
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    You asked for it.
    Granted, you don't claim to be professional. Instead you keep shouting about how you're experienced in the field which is just as douchy.
    Personally I wouldn't use an example as something that happened two years ago. People change a lot in two years, and it's kind of irrelevant now. The point might still be valid, but this really isn't the way to prove it
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  27. Post #347
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    February 2011
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    Personally I wouldn't use an example as something that happened two years ago. People change a lot in two years, and it's kind of irrelevant now. The point might still be valid, but this really isn't the way to prove it
    I don't think you understand who geel9 is.
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  28. Post #348
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    May 2010
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    Just did a video introducing HardCode IDE. Please note much is still to change.

    Enjoy ;)

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  29. Post #349
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    The autocomplete box should be under the current line.
    I don't think it's a good idea to hide the line the programmer is writing.
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  30. Post #350
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    May 2010
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    The autocomplete box should be under the current line.
    I don't think it's a good idea to hide the line the programmer is writing.
    Noted, thanks :)

    Edited:

    Fixed :)

  31. Post #351
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    What is with the horrible music, it completely ruins the video.
    If you're trying to promote a serious product you should actually talk about it.
    You also need to fix the flashing when resizing.
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  32. Post #352
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    May 2010
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    What is with the horrible music, it completely ruins the video.
    If you're trying to promote a serious product you should actually talk about it.
    You also need to fix the flashing when resizing.
    We will release a video with narration soon. For now though we are simply showcasing some of our features. We are working on the resizing as we speak.
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  33. Post #353
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    What is with the horrible music, it completely ruins the video.
    If you're trying to promote a serious product you should actually talk about it.
    You also need to fix the flashing when resizing.
    Gotta agree, the last thing that will sell me on an IDE is randomly generated noise fucking up my ears as I watch what is supposed to be an informational video.
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  34. Post #354
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    What is with the horrible music, it completely ruins the video.
    If you're trying to promote a serious product you should actually talk about it.
    You also need to fix the flashing when resizing.
    Yeah I was going to mention that. The video didn't encourage me to switch IDE for any reason really. You had unfitting music, an awful attempt at showing features off, and really no direction in the video.

    If you want to make any form of promo when you seem to want to been seen as professional, put some effort into the damn thing. Rather than just showing us your screen as you record you hunting down functions to display. Record yourself using as many functions as possible, then cut the timewasting bollocks, such as you mousing around, out. If you want to focus on a important function, crop out the shit that people don't need to see to use that function. Narrate it decently. Or failing narration, put some decent explanation of the function.

    You also need to show the functions more in depth. It's all well and good showing auto-complete. But show more than you adding a for loop. People type that in their sleep, show auto-complete listing methods from libraries, methods from other classes, etc. When showing your customisation options, customise more than just the background of something, show entire themes being loaded from a file (if you have that that is), then show that theme being adjusted. What do those status lights on tabs correspond to? You just kinda say the "status" of the file, and leave it at that. That doesn't help us understand it at all. Explain more obscure features like that if possible.

    And again, drop the music. Holy shit that was aggravating. Showcasing something really doesn't need music unless the something generated that music itself.
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  35. Post #355
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    Is this thread any good to follow?
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  36. Post #356
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    Yeah I was going to mention that. The video didn't encourage me to switch IDE for any reason really. You had unfitting music, an awful attempt at showing features off, and really no direction in the video.

    If you want to make any form of promo when you call yourself professional, put some effort into the damn thing. Rather than just showing us your screen as you record you hunting down functions to display. Record yourself using as many functions as possible, then cut the timewasting bollocks, such as you mousing around, out. If you want to focus on a important function, crop out the shit that people don't need to see to use that function. Narrate it decently. Or failing narration, put some decent explanation of the function.

    You also need to show the functions more in depth. It's all well and good showing auto-complete. But show more than you adding a for loop. People type that in their sleep, show auto-complete listing methods from libraries, methods from other classes, etc. When showing your customisation options, customise more than just the background of something, show entire themes being loaded from a file (if you have that that is), then show that theme being adjusted. What do those status lights on tabs correspond to? You just kinda say the "status" of the file, and leave it at that. That doesn't help us understand it at all. Explain more obscure features like that if possible.

    And again, drop the music. Holy shit that was aggravating. Showcasing something really doesn't need music unless the something generated that music itself.
    professional
    Please, this has been bugging me, where have we said this please? So many say it but I would like a quote from the website or similar where we have said this.

    As for the suggestions, thanks I appreciate the criticism, although, this is simply a quick update on some of the features we have been working on, we will provide more indepth ones at a later stage.
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  37. Post #357
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    Please, this has been bugging me, where have we said this please? So many say it but I would like a quote from the website or similar where we have said this.

    As for the suggestions, thanks I appreciate the criticism, although, this is simply a quick update on some of the features we have been working on, we will provide more indepth ones at a later stage.
    Well, as long as you are making a more in-depth video. It'd be interesting to actually see the IDE used more than we have seen currently. Especially the collaboration stuff.

    I'm getting the professional thing from how you seem to want to present yourself and your team. Not from a post. Perhaps I worded that one sentence slightly wrong.
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  38. Post #358
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    Well, as long as you are making a more in-depth video. It'd be interesting to actually see the IDE used more than we have seen currently. Especially the collaboration stuff.

    I'm getting the professional thing from how you seem to want to present yourself and your team. Not from a post. Perhaps I worded that one sentence slightly wrong.
    Don't worry, that will come :)
    We never once said professional and yet we keep being accused of saying this. Could you please restructure your sentence so we understand what was actually meant?
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  39. Post #359
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    May 2012
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    Okay a few things,

    This editor is a work in progress, which is why it was posted with that attribute. It is not a fully working product yet and there are hundreds of features that we are still writing before we can showcase them. Also if you would kindly read the description, its just a community update showing where we are and that we do have some functionality. Its not a SWITCH TO HARDCODE video because its not even nearly available for a beta yet.

    The video is also not trying to win any awards, its quickly put together to show off some features and the basic usability of the editor. Everyone keeps seeing this as a finished product and frankly its getting a bit irritating. Also, if you don't like the music, turn it off, thats why there is a mute button, and it is very conveniently placed at the bottom of the video for you to make use of.

    "customise more than just the background of something, show entire themes being loaded from a file (if you have that that is)" we do have that feature, but seeing as i have shown changing a single color and gradient as well, I don't see the need to showcase more on this seeing as Im literally just going through the functionality of the UI. "You also need to fix the flashing when resizing." This is a redraw issue that occurs due to a number of things along with the fact that Im using a combination of widget toolkits... will most likely be fixed in the near future.

    When we do present a promotional video, it will be in the form of 'a promotional video'. Finally, I have been through my posts and site revisions and I did not see the sentence claiming we were professional, if we did say it and you have it somewhere then please feel free to enlighten me (I have no recall of claiming this and Im willing to be proven wrong) but Im highly aware that a vast majority (not all) of Facepunch users do not like this IDE or our team (cant figure out which one it is). If you really do hate this IDE even in its infant state, without even using it yourself, and only going by our chosen theme and screenshots, then please by all means ... don't use it. We aren't going to compete with Netbeans and Eclipse on our first release as I have already stated that we are a small team, with big ambitions and the project is still in its infant stages. That said, we are going to push on regardless of how many people hate the design because that is the goal of this project, to break down existing walls and try take this to a new level as fast as we can.

    A few people have given us some incredible feedback, and we are definitely listening to them, but people ranting as though we are attacking them by designing a new product really baffles me, its just a project guys, its not going to attack you :)

    Anyway, negative vibes aside, we are going to carry on developing it so that hopefully we change some of these opinions. Seriously tho, this is supposed to be exciting and fun, not a war-zone.

    Till next time.

    Edited:

    @hexpunk seems i was a bit late and shaun posted while I was typing. Positive vibes man :)
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  40. Post #360
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    April 2007
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    Well, this is stupid. To me, this looks like a perfectly fine IDE, I don't know if it will be able to compete with all the others in the market but it's certainly a notable programming achievement. The biggest problem that I see here is that it looks like it was pulled out of a CSI episode, and whoever is behind this is just going "well you can change it later".

    Honestly that seems like a ridiculous argument. If you saw a game on a store that looked like ET for the Atari 2600, you wouldn't even consider buying it. Why? Because it looks like total turd. It doesn't matter if you can download custom skins to make the game look good, it should look good or at least decent to most people right off the bat. I think that gray skin you posted looks great, except for the background with "Hardcode" splattered all over it, and most people seem to agree. So to me, if you only made that one the default and kept the sci-fi one as a custom that comes with the program, none of this random crap would happen and people would take this a hella more seriously.

    Still, keep up the good work and don't let all the criticism discourage you, just use it to your advantage.
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