1. Post #1
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    Dennab
    July 2010
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    These days, after trawling through websites that are stimulating for the mind such as DeviantArt and Tumblr I noted the existence of various communities of so called "Therians" or "Otherking". For some reason, they appear to be deluded so as to believe that they are another person/species/etc for some strange reason.

    A number claim of multiple personalities, which seems somewhat dubious as explained by this gentleman here.

    These days with the internet people can get in contact with others who say they have multiple personalities, and the idea is then planted in their own minds, to fulfill some sort of need. And through all these forums and blogs, there is reinforcement. However, /ó/ these people certainly do deserve pity not disdain. Probably most of them need therapy, but not for having multiple personalities, but for wanting to believe they have multiple personalities.
    http://www.skepdic.com/comments/mpdcom.html

    I found it strange to believe that in many cases, some persons believe themselves to be fictional entities invented by the mind, drawing rather interesting pictures of their so called "Dysphoria".



    Now this would be rather harmless. Most of these people don't seem to be causing many problems. Unfortuately, they actually are.

    Firstly, they are stealing terms from actual groups who have suffered cases of repression such as LGTBQ communities, people with mental disorders and also various ethnic minorites. They seem to do this in a poor attempt to lend credibility to their own self diagnosed issues.

    Secondly, it is giving weight and support to nonexistant bullshit issues, wasting the time of SJ groups who have to sift through idiots talking about phantom limbs. (This medically being extremely rare)

    Thatís why these social justice blogs really seem to make people worse. [prominent SJA tosser] for example, used to just talk about her being oppressed for being half Indian and deaf but then as the SJ community got more and more ridiculous, where being half Indian and deaf werenít quite enough (in that they rule one may only talk about a prejudice if one faces it themself) so now she is apparently also trans genderqueer and a cat otherkin. Similarly, in the last couple of months [another prominent SJA tosser] has suddenly developed multiple personalities who all have their own tumblrs.
    http://meravie.tumblr.com/post/12463...ople-on-tumblr

    I myself think that it is nonsense, with people being deluded into wanting to be fictional character or a dragon(Rrerr) because they are either bored or fools. It is perfectly fine to roleplay it out, even buying things and going to cosplays or the such is fine as well.

    What is bullshit however, is when they start taking it beyond a hobby and being insanely deluded. I wish for others thoughts on this.

  2. Post #2
    ok-i-will's Avatar
    April 2012
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    fuck furries and bronies
    they should be murdered brutally

    (User was permabanned for this post ("Alt of Tobba/Aerika" - Orkel))

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    SeanL's Avatar
    November 2010
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    uhm. who cares?

    (User was banned for this post ("This isn't debating" - Orkel))

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    Dennab
    July 2010
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    fuck furries and bronies
    they should be murdered brutally
    This is different. A large number of both keep quiet and to themselves. What the big issue actually is, is those who take it further than that, trying to paint it as a legitimate social issue. (When it actually isn't.)

    Bronies and Furries are fine, they may dress funny or masturbate to odd things (Relative to you) but they do not truly CLAIM to be them.

    uhm. who cares?
    Excellent contribution. Clearly you cared enough to enter the thread and make a reply.

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    August 2011
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    I don't think you're going to get many opinions different to yours. The only people who would think this is not in the least bit unusual would probably be "otherkin" themselves.

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    why is their having a genuine psychological disorder being dismissed? some people really do have multiple personalities, there's no law prohibiting one of their personas from having a fursona

    also it's not like people can "own" the right to complain about prejudice or what have you. vocabulary is not a zero-sum game.

    asking whether they have a "real" disease or not is a completely meaningless, and dangerous, question.

  7. Post #7
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    Paige's Avatar
    October 2008
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    I know someone who both her mother and herself feel a phantom limb cat tail, and her mother doesn't even know about Otherkin or anything of the like. :T

    Edited:

    why is their having a genuine psychological disorder being dismissed? some people really do have multiple personalities, there's no law prohibiting one of their personas from having a fursona

    also it's not like people can "own" the right to complain about prejudice or what have you. vocabulary is not a zero-sum game.

    asking whether they have a "real" disease or not is a completely meaningless, and dangerous, question.
    Also this very much.

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    Dennab
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    why is their having a genuine psychological disorder being dismissed? some people really do have multiple personalities, there's no law prohibiting one of their personas from having a fursona
    The problem is that many of them don't. Many of them are pretending. Phantom limbs in itself is incredibly rare. So rare, that it is more common for somebody to want a limb REMOVED than it is to feel the need to have one.

    The numbers of otherkin on the internet, and the tiny number of actual sufferers in real life is strange itself. Secondly, if it is such a major issue, why have none of them sought psychological treatment?

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    The problem is that many of them don't. Many of them are pretending. Phantom limbs in itself is incredibly rare. So rare, that it is more common for somebody to want a limb REMOVED than it is to feel the need to have one.

    The numbers of otherkin on the internet, and the tiny number of actual sufferers in real life is strange itself. Secondly, if it is such a major issue, why have none of them sought psychological treatment?
    because it's pretty god damned embarrassing

  10. Post #10
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    Dennab
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    because it's pretty god damned embarrassing
    At least one person has to come out. Why has this issue only rapidly appeared with the rise of the internet?

    Otherkin and the such doesn't seem to exist before the 1980s. There was the big civil rights movement going on before that. How come although many have come out of the closet to be homosexuals or transgenders, nobody has done this to identify as an animal?

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    im p sure people did, they were just dismissed as crackpots

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    December 2007
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    How come although many have come out of the closet to be homosexuals or transgenders, nobody has done this to identify as an animal?
    Because both of those can be explained to be natural from a scientific standpoint (neurological development issues, primarily) whereas therianism can not.

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    Because both of those can be explained to be natural from a scientific standpoint (neurological development issues, primarily) whereas therianism can not.
    unpack your meaning of "natural" because it's a loaded word and can cause confusion

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    March 2005
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    Only cases of phantom limb are from amputees, and now this lot are claiming the same.
    Hmm, which is likely to be correct? People who had limbs that were amputated reoccurring as phantom limbs, or people who have never had such extremities (or indeed, any of our ancestor species for the last few million years) having them as phantom limbs?

  15. Post #15
    Only cases of phantom limb are from amputees, and now this lot are claiming the same.
    Hmm, which is likely to be correct? People who had limbs that were amputated reoccurring as phantom limbs, or people who have never had such extremities (or indeed, any of our ancestor species for the last few million years) having them as phantom limbs?
    you're asking whether one set of hallucinations is more real than another, I hope you realise how pointless that is

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    Sgt Doom's Avatar
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    you're asking whether one set of hallucinations is more real than another, I hope you realise how pointless that is
    Nah, more the difference between a hallucination and made-up bullshit for likely attention-whoring purposes.
    There has never been a scientifically verified case of people having phantom limbs of limbs they've never had. Even those born without the normal limbs never get phantom limbs, just phantom pains explainable by the likely deformities in the nerve endings there.

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    There has never been a scientifically verified case of people having phantom limbs of limbs they've never had.
    Want to reconsider that one, scooter?

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    March 2005
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    Huh, that study I haven't seen before. Quite interesting, I recant my statement and'll have a look through it. Seems so far to be just extra numbers of common limbs rather than something completely inhuman, though.

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    February 2008
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    The thing is, the past cases of phantom limbs and the like is a non-issue. All, or a very,very large majority are just making this up for attention whoring purposes. Generally, there is nothing bad with that, but this will lead to problems later in life, especially if/when they try to get any sort of a job or the like and the brutally introduced that nobody gives a shit if you think you are a bird fish man dude, but that only you didn't get the job done because you were too busy pretending to be disabled.

  20. Post #20
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    I think that they are idiots, believing something that they are something they are not.
    And they defile the name of Therianthrope, therianthrope are shapechangers, not furries.

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    ECrownofFire's Avatar
    January 2011
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    What the fuck is this debate supposed to be about?

    There are idiots within every group and to say that every single person in a group is an attention whore or something is a pretty incredible generalization. The problem is that the only people you see and who gather attention are the people who WANT that attention (i.e. attention whores).

    On another note, there are tons of utterly retarded "bronies" (or whatever group/fandom you prefer), but I have a couple of brony friends that aren't assholes, and I couldn't care less for the show.

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    June 2008
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    Why did I read otherkin as otterkin


    Anyway, people can do whatever the hell they feel like as long as it doesn't affect other people negatively, for all I care.

  23. Post #23
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    Fkpuz Version 1's Avatar
    March 2005
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    I think that they are idiots, believing something that they are something they are not.
    And they defile the name of Therianthrope, therianthrope are shapechangers, not furries.
    Defiled the great respect that self-proclaimed shapechangers have, yes. Defiled.

    Anyways, I find the whole "otherkin" thing to be hilariously entertaining to read about. I started learning a bit about otherkins and their beliefs/culture after this one psycho on my WoW server admitted she (he, long story) was a otherkin and would get very upset when anyone questioned that or made fun of him.

    Upon some searching I made a quick, but not completely un-warranted decision that most of the people claiming to be otherkin do it as their fetish. Zoophilia was a common trend with more than a handfull of people in the otherkin online groups I searched for shits and giggles. Most wouldn't identify as a "furry" and in fact hated furries and also hated roleplaying, which I thought was very odd. They are completely sure that they are a dragon, wolf, lizard, dog, or cat inside a human body. They seem to be very close to the shapeshifting community, or are the same community more-or-less.

    There are tons of "guides" to shapeshifting to get your true otherkin form, all of which make for a hilarious read.

    http://sites.google.com/site/shiftin...de-to-shifting

    But I think I detracted from the debate slightly, the debate is that they are harming people with legimate disorders because of their made-up fantasy self diagnosed disorders? And they claim to be descriminated against similarly to those with mental disorders? I would agree, but I imagine a large number of them have actual legitimate mental disorders in order for them to believe in some of this otherkin stuff. Perhaps they are just using their discrimination against them in real life and venting it as discrimination against otherkins or something. Sort of like how to some furries discrimination of furries parallels the descrimination the gay community faces and since a large number of furries are gay (and I don't mean that as some witty insult or anything) they sort of merge those feelings.

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    Reagent's Avatar
    May 2012
    50 Posts
    might want to change title. doesnt really explain what the debate topic is. sounds like a blog post.