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When you originally identify someone as a male and then they just suddenly throw out that they're going to be a girl, it's not an easy process to go through when you have to change your whole mindset of how to act and/or call them.
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No, and I'm going through it now, but it's still fucking rude for you to call them by the opposite of what they are identifying themselves by. People in that situation usually get that it's hard to get it right away, but when you're trying to justify calling them the wrong one, you've gone too far. Your first post I replied to is an example of trying to justify it. It's not okay.
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Especially when all she did was put on a dress.
All I'm saying is put a little more effort into it.
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LOL are you serious? It's so difficult to refer to someone by the pronoun they identify as when you KNOW they have GID? Poor you. It's clearly so much more difficult than being called the wrong gender by someone who is aware of your gender.
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Who gives a shit? It's not about clothing. It's about how you feel as a person and how you identify with the world. So what if you're a guy who wants to be a girl who still wears somewhat "tomboyish" shit or full out dresses. It's not about that.
How is this hard?
Reading your edit just makes you a big asshole.
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Holy shit, are you literally fucking stupid? Imagine if you had a close friend to you who ultimately decided that they were a girl and for all your lives you were basically friends as how you perceived. Now you're friends with a chick; you don't easily call him a girl. You're obviously so fucking stuck that everyone must go along with what everyone says. I don't give a flying fuck that he chose to be a girl; that's actually great for him because he's doing what he wants to be because he didn't feel he was actually a guy. But it's different when you identified them as a man and all of a sudden that changes.
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It will not. You have to learn how to change your voice yourself, and might even be able to go back and force between voices at will.
Alternatively, vocal surgery exists, but it's a very expensive gamble with no guarantees that it'll sound good, and you run the risk of losing your voice permanently.
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That's secondary to her being happy. All of AM!'s music has been her pouring her emotions out, and I'm sure she'll continue to do that. So far there's been a very large outpouring of support from the online punk community. Time will tell how it sounds, but like I said. It's what makes her happy and I think that's wonderful.
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You know I find it quite hilarious that you used this scenario, because I did have a close friend who did this. My dad also had a friend who did this.
I didn't find it difficult to refer to her as a girl at all. Maybe I'm just more tolerant of transgender people that I don't find someone who chooses to identify themselves as their gender identity shocking.
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Reading helps.
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You're so laughable. Is this really how you think? This has happened to me as well and it doesn't matter that it's fucking hard, it's rude to try and justify it LIKE you did. That's the fucking point.
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No, you're tolerant to a big amount of change in a not exactly vast amount of time.
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Do you not get the fucking point? I'm not saying that I'm not going to call them what they prefer. You're not reading anything if you're seriously thinking that's what I'm getting at.
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-eh nevermind, I've given Against Me! enough shit-
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I'm actually interested to know what you said, come on.
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No, according to this post your point was that you don't refer someone by their gender identity if it is to the contrary of their biological sex until they go through the entire sex change process.
Your point was idiotic.
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How about you fucking write what you mean rather than saying you don't want to call them what they want to be in your FIRST fucking post?
Short term memory much? Or do you just prefer to ignore what you say once you've been called on it?
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So male is somebody with a penis correct? Or is him with somebody with a penis?
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Nah, I'm starting to feel like too big of an asshole. As much as I love ragging on the band for being terrible, and as hilarious as it would be to witness them playing with the lead singer dressed as she is in that picture, I think I'm going to call it quits.
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His sex is male, but her gender identity is female.
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Ok so I'm assuming its alright to call him a male, instead of him then right?
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You wouldn't be able to use "male" as a pronoun.
"Tom is a really bad singer. Male cannot sing very well."
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Ok, so he cannot sing very good.
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When you refer to an actual person, you refer to them by their gender identity if you are aware of it.
You mention their biological sex if you are explicitly referring to their biological sex, like for example if you are a doctor and their biological sex is relevant. Or if you are stating that a trans women who had a sex change used to biologically be a man.
It's very rude to refer to the person themselves as their biological sex if it is to the contrary of their gender identity and if you are aware of that fact.
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Who fucking cares holy shit.
(User was banned for this post ("Meme" - verynicelady))
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Apparently you cared enough to post a video macro.
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UH OH YOU GOT ME DANG IT
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It just takes some getting used to. Once you're more comfortable with it tgism really isn't that big of a deal.
Let us do what we will, we shouldn't have to torture ourselves because we should be "men" or "women".
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All I did was put on a dress.
However, I felt this way my entire life, so maybe I should put a little more effort into it?
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i'll refer to a tranny as to what they were fucking born as
(User was banned for this post ("Trolling or dumb" - verynicelady))
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"Now I'm not transphobic BUT--"
Yeah, you're another one of those people eh?
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Wow, that's just asking for something.
You know what? I'm not going to get mad, because I know you're just trying to troll. Or maybe you are bigoted as fuck in which case I can deal with that. You are obviously a very unintelligent person who needs help.
(User was banned for this post ("Report, don't further derail by replying" - verynicelady))
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Well, I'm not afraid of transgender people, so I guess I'm not transphobic by definition.
Also, how the fuck is that transphobic? Out of all the awful things I've said in this thread, you picked the one where I'm simply explaining how pronouns work?
Here, this is a better example:
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I'd say that clucker guy deserves something.
Mind coming up to Canada for a bit? I'll make sure you're really accommodated for.
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I would prefer people seek counseling than immediately default to a trans-gender operation.
I mean, maybe it's not always the case, but every transgendered person I've met had major, major psychological trauma in their past.
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Do as you please, bro. Just don't start a terrible punk rock band.
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AFAIK you have to go through therapy to make sure it is the right decision for you. However I never really had to do much aside from pass an initial interview. But I hear it is a lot harder in other places.
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I don't plan on starting a band any time soon.
In fact I'd rather get my life sorted out.
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In fact I'm not even allowed to get an operation until I'm 18.
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You're refusing to say 'her', and only saying 'him' to piss everyone off (Well, except your fellow transphobes).
Yes, you are transphobic. You're scared that you might not be able to grasp the concept, so you channel that fear into hatred, all of your type do that.
Yeah because your simple mind can't do anything else, worm.
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I've been calling her a she for most of the thread. I only did it in my first few posts.
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Yeah, only after you got destroyed for it. I'm yet to be convinced of what you really think.
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If anything I'm against mephobic.
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There are so many factors on the biological level to consider, that once one gets into this stuff, everything sorta fails to truly say if you are talking about a fish or a lobster.
The most acceptable way is to call the person as what they feel like being called. I mean, why not? If you had business with the person which somehow critically depended on the biological features they have, I understand somewhat more pragmatic naming would make sense.
But as long as you are somebody just talking about someone else, please, do them the courtesy and call them the way they want to be called.
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If I knew somebody that was transgender, then I would definitely respect them and refer to them as they would want. And I'm sure almost everybody here would too. It's human nature for most people to still consider him a man, and refer to them as such, especially on the internet. This isn't a thread about the correct way to refer to somebody transger though, so everybody just chill out. Every thread ever about somebody that is transgender turns into this argument. It's pointless and stupid.
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