1. Post #1

    February 2009
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    I disagree with the complete theory of the Big Bang with no divine intervention...
    But I also disagree with the complete theory that God created the Universe with a snap of his fingers.
    I believe in a mix of the two where God set in motion the Big Bang and fine-tuned the progression of the Universe to form Earth out of "luck", same thing with human evolution, I believe God set in motion evolution with some amino acids and just steered us gently towards the path of sapience. I want to know your guys' opinions, because I find this perfectly reasonable, I'm a faithful Christian, and I'm not saying the Bible isn't true, I'm just saying it doesn't explain some things thoroughly. I just want to know if other people would find this as reasonable as I do.

    To finish my point, think about it, where did all this come from? God created the singularity that would eventually become the Big Bang, or so I believe.

    P.S I don't know why atheists and religious people are so sore with each other.

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  2. Post #2
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    Science is backed by facts, religion is based on faith, which means belief without evidence. In my opinion, they're incompatible.

    One of the main questions is why your god needed to fine tune or use evolution and steer things. Doesn't that seem overcomplicating matters?
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  3. Post #3

    February 2009
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    God is all-powerful and nothing is too complicated for Him.
    He works in weird ways, if he openly gives signs to everyone and provides them with everything they need to believe in Him, then people will depend on Him for everything and they will feel entitled, but God still needs to do His work, so He needs to do it in logical ways so that it's not too obvious and so people don't try to become overly dependent upon Him. THAT is why not everyone believes in God.

    Oh, and sorry if I was steering away from your question.
    I just used "steering" and "fine-tuning" to illustrate a point. I didn't necessarily mean He did it as He went along, but you do raise a valid point.
    Before things get out of hand, I just want you guys to know that I want this to be a peaceful discussion.
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  4. Post #4
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    Well the answer to this 'debate' is 'no'. You can't answer if religion is correct without proof, and since religion provides no proof, it should be assumed it's not correct.
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  5. Post #5
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    God is all-powerful and nothing is too complicated for Him.
    He works in weird ways, if he openly gives signs to everyone and provides them with everything they need to believe in Him, then people will depend on Him for everything and they will feel entitled, but God still needs to do His work, so He needs to do it in logical ways so that it's not too obvious and so people don't try to become overly dependent upon Him. THAT is why not everyone believes in God.

    Oh, and sorry if I was steering away from your question.
    I just used "steering" and "fine-tuning" to illustrate a point. I didn't necessarily mean He did it as He went along, but you do raise a valid point.
    Before things get out of hand, I just want you guys to know that I want this to be a peaceful discussion.
    An all powerful God who somehow can answer the prayer of dome fat American looking for a car park near the entrance to Wallmart while ignore the billion starving children in the world.

    Either He's all powerful and doesn't give a shit, or he's not all powerful, or he doesn't exist.

    "God works in mysterious ways" - Right, care to prove that?

    "the universe created with "luck"" - There is no luck to evolution or the universe. Things didn't get randomly thrown together and by chance form an animal, or a solar system or the Earth. If the universe wasn't the way it is, say some universal constant was different, then the universe wouldn't have formed and we wouldn't be here saying this is divinely directed. If you think evolution is luck, then you need to do some research, go read Evolution for Dummies, it will help clear this up.

    "To finish my point, think about it, where did all this come from? God created the singularity that would eventually become the Big Bang, or so I believe."

    A claim requires evidence, and an extraordinary claim requires extraordinary evidence; care to share it with us and receive your Nobel prize? Might want to clear some space on your mantelpiece.

    "P.S I don't know why atheists and religious people are so sore with each other."

    Because you inject your unfounded religious bullshit on people who don't share your views. Gay people can't get married because of some nutters views, I can't get assisted suicide if my life is so unbearable to live (cancer for example) because of (mostly) a religious nutters views.

    "THAT is why not everyone believes in God."

    Then it is morally wrong to punish people for not believing in him, he didn't try to make himself obvious, we don;t see him, then he sends us to Hell for all eternity? Sounds fair



    My questions to you, why do you believe in the Christian God and not Allah (who is the same god just interpreted differently), Vishnu, Thor, or Zeus?
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    My questions to you, why do you believe in the Christian God and not Allah (who is the same god just interpreted differently), Vishnu, Thor, or Zeus?
    Probably because people tend to choose the fairy-tale that most fits their culture. I like to think this delusion will end someday, but I know better.
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    Probably because people tend to choose the fairy-tale that most fits their culture. I like to think this delusion will end someday, but I know better.
    I think the internet will kill most of it off, religion will never truly die, but we can get rid of most of it
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    Probably because people tend to choose the fairy-tale that most fits their culture. I like to think this delusion will end someday, but I know better.
    Religion will die the day human intuition dies.
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    I think the internet will kill most of it off, religion will never truly die, but we can get rid of most of it
    There definitely does seem to be more of a trend to reason as of late, but it could very easily be the headlines of extremists as it can be seen on both sides. Some times it feels like every step forward is matched with 2 back.

    Also, off topic, but we have the same number of posts.
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  10. Post #10
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    Religion will die the day human intuition dies.
    I don't think so
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  11. Post #11
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    Religion will die the day human intuition dies.
    This is an agreeable statement, showing the futility of it all. Perhaps intuition should rather be seen as instinct? Maybe it would be a better situation to believe people will believe in something rather than the absolute absence of something -- similar to how children will produce make-believe friends in the absence of others. It could be hopeful to think we all just want a social connection, but I am too cynical for that. The introverts in humanity are the anti and, being one, I do not see this as being an important factor in the decision people make to willfully believe without thought. It is just laziness (in a cynical view).
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