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Not necessarily. It takes a long time to tend to enough land that keeps you alive. It's why farmers are known to get up before the sunrises a lot.
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My grandparents own around 200-300 acres of farmland, and with modern equipment they're able to finish the work for that day in around 2-3 hours. Farming frees up massive amounts of time for other pursuits if you know what you're doing, it's just harvest and the initial few weeks after planting that are the toughest.
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I was running on the notion of amateurs doing it
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Even if you're an amateur you're going to find you'll have a lot more spare time then if you were trying to subsist entirely on hunting or scavenging. The difficulty in farming is getting everything set up and then harvest, but you'll have a good 3-4 months in there where all you need to do is simple maintenance. Even as an amateur the amount of time you'll spend daily on your crops will be less then your average 9 to 5.
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True enough, but I think it may depend on the scenario.
Is it just you, or a group of people helping? Is their fuel for equipment long enough for the entire season? Does electricity work or is it out for good? etc.
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Survivalsim even if it isn't some fundie is still dumb because you'll probably be dead.
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The sowing and harvesting is what takes a lot of time. After that, they have a lot of free time.
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So basically, if a natural disaster hits, just give up and die?
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Despite your comments here, if it happens, I can't see you putting a bullet through your head.
People seem to be suggesting that hunting would be done between running out of canned food and crops growing. I disagree, I think you should save the canned food as long as possible and start hunting straight away. The canned food may not spoil for many years, meaning it would be great emergency food, something that should be saved for greater hardships
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Oh I'd definitely kill myself. If a disaster is regional there's no point, if it's global there's no way anyone is surviving.
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You are a bastion of hope and optimism.
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I mean if it's regional you can evacuate or there will be some kind of structure where you can survive without the survivalist stuff so there's no point in doing it, like Katrina, but if it's something global you will definitely die.
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It doesn't matter because it will never ever happen.
We'll probably die from heart disease or cancer. :)
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A world-wide catastrophe won't happen in terms of a natural disaster, but there is a very real man-made way: Financial collapse.
The economy can spiral so out of control that governments collapse. Though unlikely to happen, it's very possible and plausible. This would leave infrastructure and population centers completely unharmed - just more or less filled with lawless rioting and looting. The only safe places from these would be the rural regions, though they'll be cut off from the outside world when the economies collapse.
This leaves you completely well alive, along with your home and (present) resources completely intact.
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I don't have a problem with survivalism and I support it.
It's just when it becomes a fad that it's unhealthy. You're seeing fashion trends today in retail outlets selling almost-militaristic in theme. It's bad when they turn the disaster preparedness into something hipsters would adopt.
All of sudden stores are selling lots of military jackets, cargo pants with tons of pockets, army boots. My friends are buying guns left and right. I'm seeing gas mask FB profile pictures.
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A lot of military equipment is for survival. The military is a goldmine for survival techniques and tools. Survivalism is for survival and naturally utilizes what it can. So sadly, it gains an image of being militaristic when at its heart, isn't.
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I'm severely worried, because I find that the survivalist mentality has become a bit of an obsession for me, and it's genuinely starting to disrupt my life on an almost daily basis.
I find myself thinking about what I should buy next, or whether or not I should get more guns, or get more ammunition, or get that gas mask I saw on Ebay, or whether or not the Military Surplus store would have food rations on sale, and oh shit what if something goes down tomorrow and I'm not prepared!
I don't know how to get over it, and it sucks because I think about it on a daily basis. It's unhealthy.
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I feel like I can't rest until I'm prepared for absolutely everything, which I know is impossible.
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AUTISMAL FEDORA WEARING MASSIVE RUNNING JOKE - PRAY CROHN'S DISEASE KILLS ME
July 2010
17,345 Posts
In a collaspe, a government of some kind will almost always inevitably rise to fill the vacuum. (If not, a neighbour will end up annexing the place.) The problem is knowing what kind of government it will be.
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If you wanna restart civilisation however, and get going on the path to allowing doing stuff like building railways or watching television, agriculture is vital.
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I completely agree. The most advanced civilizations became that way because they started using agriculture. It frees up massive amounts of time to be spent improving other things.
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pretty much, there is no way you would survive any sort of global scale disaster
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A deadly pandemic virus quickly wipes out more than 99.99% of the worlds population. All that is left are people born with a genetic immunity to the virus.
There's not enough people to run the infrastructure, so whatever is left of civilized society slowly collapses. Power plants stop producing electricity, water treatment centers stop producing clean water.
You're one of the few lucky ones to survive the pandemic. Good luck.
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Gee, it's like everyone in here has forgotten the phrase "homesteading" and what it represents.
These situations are where only the toughest survive, and you'd be surprised as to how many people know how to utilize survival skills. Like every member of the American military, for example. And every single person that's ever been an Eagle Scout.
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Except a giant majority has been in neither of those and have lived in cities majority, if not all their lives.
My biggest fear is being caught in the giant rush of these people out of the cities, called 'The Golden Horde'.
That's scary enough not being a survivalist. Being one would make you a bigger target - for those unfriendly and those who want you to "save them" and "share with them".
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The Golden Horde.
I agree with the concept, that would be the most likely response to a large scale disaster. But I think in Australia it would be slightly different. Very few weapons in suburbia, lots in the country, and a much larger country compared to the number of people who live here
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You would need to think about where everyone else is going, and go somewhere else. Most people I suspect would ignore the central Australia desert and instead go towards the riverlands of eastern South Australia, Victoria, and New South Wales. So I would go to the central deserts. Water is practically unobtainable unless there are bores, and thankfully they're everywhere because of the enormous cattle industry. In small groups you could live off game and native animals quite comfortably, but too many peoples and such a food source would collapse
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Lol what? Our farms require humans to run them. When the people running large factories, farms, and stores die, they tend to quit functioning on us. Mechanics need greasing and replaced parts, farms require constant supervision and pest control, the list goes on with things that would just stop working on us.
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He's arguing that you could just drive to the farm and take over where the dead farmers left off, not that they'll magically continue to produce food.
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Even then, that's only farms. Most people will not take the time to go through and learn how to correctly care for and use heavy machinery in factories, or go to the nearest mine system and dig up some copper and cart it back to the factory where a team will then proceed to melt it down into bars and then sell it to the guys in the building down the street who will use it to sell to various other groups who then build random things such as knives or ammunition. You know where I'm going with this. It'd take a highly coordinated group of people to really get us back on track if a global disaster actually happened. But history has shown after large scale disasters strike people usually only fend for themselves, so I still believe that hunting and other basic survival skills are a must. You know, just in case.
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AUTISMAL FEDORA WEARING MASSIVE RUNNING JOKE - PRAY CROHN'S DISEASE KILLS ME
July 2010
17,345 Posts
Even if a nuclear war happened, technology, civilisation, etc would not regress much more than 100 years.
Population might decline to Medieval levels though.
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Don't forget that most countries have strategic reserves of fuel and food.
Here in Finland I've heard the government has enough fuel to keep the country running for at least three months or so. There are also emergency plans and specific crisis-time duties for many officials and societally vital companies.
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I doubt feudalism will ever make a comeback.
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AUTISMAL FEDORA WEARING MASSIVE RUNNING JOKE - PRAY CROHN'S DISEASE KILLS ME
July 2010
17,345 Posts
It's possible. Fuedalism is basically holding land in return for labour or service, arising mostly in places in which central authority is weak/nonexistant.
Say if all the railways and roads became mostly useless in a country, and most people went back to agriculture to support themselves. In that case, feudalism of some kind would probably emerge (Especially if there is fighting) until infrastructure would be repaired and a central government of some kind rose to power again.
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On the topic, i think that the some of the main points for survival are fitness, basic farming/hunting knowledge, first aid knowledge and a right mind for surviving imo.
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People are interested in how people used to live. I don't think it's necessary to learn these techniques now as a mandatory requirement, however in certain parts of the world you definitely do need to know your way about.
But unless you're an avid explorer, it can only be a hobby. It's not like we'll be facing some kind of apocalypse any time soon.
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If we see an apocalypse coming, it wouldn't me be much of an apocalypse.
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say again?
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I mean, if we see a possible "apocalypse" coming, may would probably prepare and end up not being so bad at all, which isn't an apocalypse.
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I see that a few people here are wandering about what they need for a good bug out bag.
So here you go http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bug-out_bag
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You are honestly the dumbest person I have ever seen post in the history of forever. How the hell do you expect to get food? Do you have any idea how long crops take to grow and how food is even produced?
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Seeds too. And enough variety of different seeds to get every single nutrient your body needs if you decide 'fuck hunting' as stated in a few of your posts.
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I wonder why nobody has mentioned fishing in this thread. It's easier than hunting and farming, and equipment for it is relatively easy to obtain (and most people should already have some around the house). That's basically my entire survival plan in case something bad enough happens. I can get some nets easily from my grandparents, and I have regular fishing rods and ice-fishing equipment.
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Fishing would be great but where I live I can't really think of a place to go to easily to do fishing, that's why I would prefer hunting as there are large populations of deer near my house (when I say hunting I mean letting my dogs catch and kill the deer).
