1. Post #161
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    In which case, he should be banned for leaking information from that forum, which is against the rules unless you have permission from a moderator.
    Oh that's not a leak. And honestly, I'm not thrilled it happens (but who cares about one guy). I'm almost tempted to post links to Gmod torrents there just to see what happens.
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  2. Post #162
    You're Gonna Carry That Weight.
    jaykray's Avatar
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    How come it's still up for BT?

  3. Post #163
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    I wish people would shut up about "lost" versus "not gained". I'm sure it's a tremendous relief to copyright holders, the revelation that it's not billions they are losing, merely billions they are not gaining.
    Actually, in legal and economic terms, the distinction is very important. In many cases, you can write off "losses" to reduce your company's taxable income. If companies start claiming "I lost X million dollars to piracy", how can they actually prove that? How many of the people who downloaded didn't end up buying the game? There is no way to know the exact numbers, but companies like to say they do and claim "Oh we lost so much money this year." It's not a book store where people are stealing the physical books; it takes time and money to replace those books. But digital copies of a game? There is literally an infinite amount of them available, and the time and economic costs involved are negligable. Put simply: you cannot prove how much money you "lost" or "didn't gain".

    A study I saw a few months back showed that often, the biggest pirates are also the same people who spend the most money on media (books/movies/games/etc). They just happen to be more selective about what they buy. However if the companies had their way, you'd just be left guessing whether something is a good buy or not and get stuck with the bill, because many things can't be returned to the store/place of purchase once opened/purchased. If you buy a game on Steam and it is missing features and is just generally shitty, can you return it? Nope. You paid $25? Too bad. How is that even a remotely acceptable occurance? You can't even trade the game with someone and try to get something that isn't shit, because all you did was buy a "license". It's bullshit, and most people don't even understand why.
    Oh that's not a leak. And honestly, I'm not thrilled it happens (but who cares about one guy). I'm almost tempted to post links to Gmod torrents there just to see what happens.
    Well, you can keep thinking that's not a leak all you want, but I doubt they will feel the same. Also if you do post gmod torrents, I'll make sure to check your post in the RC where you say how sorry you are lol.
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  4. Post #164
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    How come it's still up for BT?
    Whatever happened seems to be over.

  5. Post #165
    Dennab
    January 2012
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    It's up for me.
    Did you guys put in .com instead of .se like the retards that you guys are?

    (User was banned for this post ("Flaming" - Craptasket))
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  6. Post #166
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    Did you guys put in .com instead of .se like the retards that you guys are?
    Yes, you caught us. Everyone in the entire thread was actually putting .com instead of .se. You're the very first to try .se.
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  7. Post #167
    No such thing as overkill.
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    Actually, in legal and economic terms, the distinction is very important. In many cases, you can write off "losses" to reduce your company's taxable income. If companies start claiming "I lost X million dollars to piracy", how can they actually prove that? How many of the people who downloaded didn't end up buying the game? There is no way to know the exact numbers, but companies like to say they do and claim "Oh we lost so much money this year." It's not a book store where people are stealing the physical books; it takes time and money to replace those books. But digital copies of a game? There is literally an infinite amount of them available, and the time and economic costs involved are negligable. Put simply: you cannot prove how much money you "lost" or "didn't gain".
    Uh, what? When a company reports a fiscal loss it means the company, as a whole, suffered a net decrease in value. If a company pours $2 million into producing a game, and it only makes $1 million in return, the company suffers a net loss of $1 million. Same as with any other industry, the actual physicality of the product is completely meaningless. They can't prove it's due to piracy alone, but that doesn't matter in the slightest when it comes to taxes or your company's net worth.

    A study I saw a few months back showed that often, the biggest pirates are also the same people who spend the most money on media (books/movies/games/etc). They just happen to be more selective about what they buy. However if the companies had their way, you'd just be left guessing whether something is a good buy or not and get stuck with the bill, because many things can't be returned to the store/place of purchase once opened/purchased. If you buy a game on Steam and it is missing features and is just generally shitty, can you return it? Nope. You paid $25? Too bad. How is that even a remotely acceptable occurance? You can't even trade the game with someone and try to get something that isn't shit, because all you did was buy a "license". It's bullshit, and most people don't even understand why.
    In every other industry, if a company has bad business practices, the result is a boycott. If you don't like a company, don't buy their product. If you go and pirate it anyways, it only tells the company that there's a demand for their product that they might possibly convert into a sale if they can make the product just a little harder to crack. If you think a company has too-stringent DRM or unfair business practices, vote with your wallet and abstain entirely from buying, pirating, or otherwise playing the game. Piracy doesn't send any useful message to the publisher other than the fact that people want their product, and only encourages more draconian solutions (see: Starforce, GfWL, SecuROM).

    As for licenses, many stores don't let you return any opened film, no matter how shitty it is. That's how it's been for decades and people don't get up in arms over it. If you don't know how good a game is, check reviews. If there are not enough reviews, try a demo. If there are no reviews and no demo, and you're wary of the quality, then take the hint and don't buy it. This is not a service industry. It is not guaranteed fun or your money back. There is no warranty. I don't understand why so many gamers seem to have this weird sense of entitlement with their medium, that it should somehow be far more forgiving on the buyer than other digital industries, and allow them to pull stupid stunts like buy a game, play it for ten hours to complete the story, maybe burn a copy, then return it for full refund.

  8. Post #168
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    It's up for me.
    Did you guys put in .com instead of .se like the retards that you guys are?
    It's up for everyone else too.
    Did you read the title and just hop in here saying what you think is right with a douchey remark instead of reading the entire OP, recent posts, and more importantly the date of the OP like the retard that you are?
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  9. Post #169
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    And nothing of value was lost.
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  10. Post #170
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    Well, you can keep thinking that's not a leak all you want, but I doubt they will feel the same. Also if you do post gmod torrents, I'll make sure to check your post in the RC where you say how sorry you are lol.
    Well if they did ban me, that'd be hypocritical as fuck of them.

    Also, think of it like this: You're a tax accountant. Someone comes in and you do their taxes for them. BUT, they never pay you. What, nothing was stolen, so it's not a crime!
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  11. Post #171
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    Well if they did ban me, that'd be hypocritical as fuck of them.

    Also, think of it like this: You're a tax accountant. Someone comes in and you do their taxes for them. BUT, they never pay you. What, nothing was stolen, so it's not a crime!
    Aww yeah, I can ctrl+c & ctrl+v someone doing my taxes :c00l:
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  12. Post #172
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    Aww yeah, I can ctrl+c & ctrl+v someone doing my taxes :c00l:
    Okay, it's not exactly the same, but it still stands that the accountant got screwed even if he didn't lose any materials
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  13. Post #173
    Well if they did ban me, that'd be hypocritical as fuck of them.

    Also, think of it like this: You're a tax accountant. Someone comes in and you do their taxes for them. BUT, they never pay you. What, nothing was stolen, so it's not a crime!
    Because crime includes only theft right?
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  14. Post #174
    provides mlp plot free of charge
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    Pirate bay is going down in history. They've been through countless attacks and lawsuits and are still alive and stronger than ever.
    The fact that they're now using magnets makes it even harder to make them look bad
    Because they're not even hosting the files now

  15. Post #175
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    The fact that they're now using magnets makes it even harder to make them look bad
    Because they're not even hosting the files now
    They're just as bad as a roadsign, since they only point people in the direction of the files.
    Juuuust like Google with the right search parameters.
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  16. Post #176
    Dennab
    July 2009
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    Yes, you caught us. Everyone in the entire thread was actually putting .com instead of .se. You're the very first to try .se.
    your avatar is the most disturbing thing. what is it?
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  17. Post #177
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    Because crime includes only theft right?
    That's what many pirates justify it as.

    "It's not stealing, nothing is gone!"

  18. Post #178
    That's what many pirates justify it as.

    "It's not stealing, nothing is gone!"
    And they're right? Nothing is gone. It's NOT theft. It's copyright breach (which largely depends on your location since many places allow downloading and private copying)
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  19. Post #179
    No such thing as overkill.
    catbarf's Avatar
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    And they're right? Nothing is gone. It's NOT theft. It's copyright breach (which largely depends on your location since many places allow downloading and private copying)
    Same could be said for sneaking into a movie theater, you're still depriving them of their income while using their product.

  20. Post #180
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    Same could be said for sneaking into a movie theater, you're still depriving them of their income while using their product.
    And if it IS a good movie, then most of those who took the sneaky way in, pay on their way out.
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  21. Post #181
    RAPISTS ARE OPPRESSED
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    Same could be said for sneaking into a movie theater, you're still depriving them of their income while using their product.
    Sneaking into a movie theater is trespassing..
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  22. Post #182
    Same could be said for sneaking into a movie theater, you're still depriving them of their income while using their product.
    Sure, if sneaking into theaters is legal in your country.
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  23. Post #183
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    If I wanted to pirate, I wouldn't bother with pirate bay, private trackers are superior anyways.
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  24. Post #184
    No such thing as overkill.
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    And if it IS a good movie, then most of those who took the sneaky way in, pay on their way out.
    So is it A-OK to sneak into a theater, because some of the people will end up paying anyways? And movie theaters shouldn't even bother trying to stop people from getting in without paying- just encourage them to pay, but let them in for free if they really want?

    That is seriously the logic being used to defend piracy. Just because you're not physically stealing a DVD doesn't mean it's victimless.

    Sure, if sneaking into theaters is legal in your country.
    Since piracy is considered copyright infringement and consequently illegal in almost every civilized country on Earth, I don't see how your analogy is relevant.

    Sneaking into a movie theater is trespassing..
    And? Piracy is illegal too. Both are crimes that aren't adversely affecting the ability of the company to sell their product, but are nonetheless harming the company being taken advantage of.

  25. Post #185
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  26. Post #186
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    your avatar is the most disturbing thing. what is it?
    Which avatar are you seeing? The skull one?

    Edited:

    Okay, it's not exactly the same, but it still stands that the accountant got screwed even if he didn't lose any materials
    That's a terrible try. The accountant did lose material if you stole your taxes from him and he could show that whereas with piracy it's a lot more grey.

  27. Post #187
    RAPISTS ARE OPPRESSED
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    So is it A-OK to sneak into a theater, because some of the people will end up paying anyways? And movie theaters shouldn't even bother trying to stop people from getting in without paying- just encourage them to pay, but let them in for free if they really want?

    That is seriously the logic being used to defend piracy. Just because you're not physically stealing a DVD doesn't mean it's victimless.



    Since piracy is considered copyright infringement and consequently illegal in almost every civilized country on Earth, I don't see how your analogy is relevant.



    And? Piracy is illegal too. Both are crimes that aren't adversely affecting the ability of the company to sell their product, but are nonetheless harming the company being taken advantage of.

    Piracy is not illegal in my country, trespassing is.

    Edited:

    And my point was that sneaking in to a movie theatre isn't illegal because you're depriving then of income, it's illegal because you're trespassing thus it has nothing whatsoever to do with piracy.
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  28. Post #188
    No such thing as overkill.
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    Piracy is harming companies as much as people sneaking into theaters. Aka not.
    Congratulations, you missed the point entirely. Have a medal.



    If, hypothetically, sneaking into theaters was a major industry issue, and we had dumbass Internet white knights crusading for the right to get into a theater without paying, who pointed out that sneaking in isn't directly harming the theater itself, who thought that all theaters should give up on trying to force people to pay and that letting people watch movies for free in the theater might lead them to watch more movies and pay for them so really it's all fair in the end- No. It's fucking stupid. It's still harming the industry, it's still harming the company directly, and it's still illegal, no matter what twisted logic some people use to justify it to themselves.

    Piracy doesn't have to be tangible theft to still be damaging to the industry, and it's not a victimless crime no matter what excuses are used to justify it.
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  29. Post #189
    It's still harming the industry, it's still harming the company directly
    You're better than 99% of professional comedians, could you be one too?
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  30. Post #190
    No such thing as overkill.
    catbarf's Avatar
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    You're better than 99% of professional comedians, could you be one too?
    Gee, I haven't even taken the cheap shots like 'you're living up to your title'.

    Excellent rebuttal to my points, well-reasoned argumentative skills, A++ would debate again. Or maybe I could just go drink a bottle of Drano, because reading your posts is having much the same effect on my brain.
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    Gee, I haven't even taken the cheap shots like 'you're living up to your title'.

    Excellent rebuttal to my points, well-reasoned argumentative skills, A++ would debate again. Or maybe I could just go drink a bottle of Drano, because reading your posts is having much the same effect on my brain.
    There's not much to argue. Virtual piracy is not comparable to trespassing. Sharing is illegal, no one's arguing there. Downloading isn't always illegal. And where it is, you can't do much against it as in digital world the only way to ID you is your ip, which is not you and can easily be abused. You can't stop it. Suing some soccer mom who's son downloaded an mp3 for 10k will not solve shit. Piracy has existed for long, hasn't killed shit yet. Industry is booming and reaping crazy profits. If that's how piracy kills industry, then shit kill me too as I want to be rich.
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  32. Post #192
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    Which avatar are you seeing? The skull one?

    Edited:


    That's a terrible try. The accountant did lose material if you stole your taxes from him and he could show that whereas with piracy it's a lot more grey.
    No, the accountant didn't lose any taxes or whatever, he simply lost the time he used to file the taxes for the guy who screwed him. No materials
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  33. Post #193
    No, the accountant didn't lose any taxes or whatever, he simply lost the time he used to file the taxes for the guy who screwed him. No materials
    It's not against the law if they didn't sign a contract. Well maybe it is, but your case won't stand in court so it might as well not be.

  34. Post #194
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    Why would anyone think Anonymous would DDoS it ?
    That's where they get all their games :V .
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  35. Post #195
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    Why would anyone think Anonymous would DDoS it ?
    That's where they get all their games :V .
    Afaik it was some butthurt dude who couldn't find enough anal porn on TBP who did it (irony)
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  36. Post #196
    Why would anyone think Anonymous would DDoS it ?
    That's where they get all their games :V .
    Because anon is the only ddos force on interwebs

  37. Post #197
    No such thing as overkill.
    catbarf's Avatar
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    There's not much to argue. Virtual piracy is not comparable to trespassing. Sharing is illegal, no one's arguing there. Downloading isn't always illegal. And where it is, you can't do much against it as in digital world the only way to ID you is your ip, which is not you and can easily be abused. You can't stop it. Suing some soccer mom who's son downloaded an mp3 for 10k will not solve shit. Piracy has existed for long, hasn't killed shit yet. Industry is booming and reaping crazy profits. If that's how piracy kills industry, then shit kill me too as I want to be rich.
    I'm not saying it's killing the industry at the moment because that's not true. And the current way they try to go after random people to 'make an example of them' is absolutely unjustified. But that doesn't mean they should just straight up give up.

    As I said before, the industry can not switch to an economical model of essentially releasing products for free and hoping people donate by paying. The solution is to find ways to quash piracy, and they're definitely working on it. Shutting down sites like TPB, while crude and only marginally effective, are endemic of this.

    Point is, piracy isn't completely victimless as some people make it out to be. There are some people who will torrent media and then buy it, or use pirated media to try something out and then buy related material, but the act of pirating undermines the company's ability to control their own media which is harmful in the long run, and it's too dangerous to the company to let slide illegal copyright infringement.

    And because of that, attempts to quash piracy will continue. Taking TPB down is more symbolic than anything else, anyone reasonably informed knows that TPB isn't a major player, just a widely publicized one. If TPB goes down for good, then it sets a precedent that will be used to go after communities focused on piracy.

  38. Post #198
    Companies fail because they can't adapt to digital age. Where's the steam-like service for movies? Music? No itunes please, it's quite bad.
    You don't win the market by using outdated methods. Treating customers like cattle is not helping.
    Companies want control over their products but customers don't want companies to control their products. There should be no stupid drm or unskippable fbi warnings which make me want to pirate. These measures do exactly the opposite of what they're supposed to.
    I fully support piracy as long as companies operate like they do now.
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  39. Post #199
    Conservative Cunt who fucking loves piss
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    The fact that they're now using magnets makes it even harder to make them look bad
    Because they're not even hosting the files now
    That does nothing to make them look any better, it just theoretically can make the less legally responsible.

    They are no better people for using this alternate method of copyright infringement.

    Edited:

    Sneaking into a movie theater is trespassing..
    And illegally downloading a movie is piracy what's your fucking point

    Edited:

    And if it IS a good movie, then most of those who took the sneaky way in, pay on their way out.
    Was there ever a source for this bit?

  40. Post #200
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    That does nothing to make them look any better, it just theoretically can make the less legally responsible.
    I'm pretty sure he means from a legal standpoint. It's harder to catch them on anything this way.