1. Post #1
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    Glorbo's Avatar
    May 2010
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    Expected army panel's recommendation comes after dispute centered around whether 'May God remember' or 'May the nation of Israel remember' be used.
    Defense officials plan to recommend that the Yizkor text that was the subject of a dispute last year be officially included in Memorial Day services at military cemeteries.

    The dispute centered around whether the words "Yizkor Elohim" ("May God remember" ) or "Yizkor Am Yisrael" ("May the nation of Israel remember" ) should be used. In the end, the second version won out.

    The decision to officially recommend the text was made after the text - either version - was omitted from many Memorial Day ceremonies this year, apparently due to confusion after last year's debate.

    Though the Yizkor text for fallen soldiers is modeled after the traditional Yizkor memorial prayer, it is not a prayer, but a text penned by Labor Zionist leader Berl Katznelson in the 1920s. It was never a required element in military memorial services, though it was read at many services.

    Last year a debate erupted over a version recited in military cemeteries, which began with "Yizkor Elohim," although Katznelson's original version began with "Yizkor Am Yisrael." The change, made after the Six-Day War by IDF Chief Rabbi Shlomo Goren, raised no complaints until last year, when a secular bereaved mother raised the issue and the media picked up on it.

    A committee appointed by Chief of Staff Benny Gantz ruled in August that the original version beginning with "Yizkor Am Yisrael" be used.

    But instead the text was dropped from many of this year's memorial services, to the consternation of many bereaved families, who filed complaints with the IDF.

    The recommendation to officially include the text will be presented to the Public Council for Soldiers' Commemoration, which helps set Memorial Day traditions. It will then be submitted for the approval of Defense Minister Ehud Barak.
    Source- http://www.haaretz.com/news/national...rials-1.430911
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    Maybe if the one who is buried is an atheist, the yes but if he/she is religious then they should not remove the word from the text.
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    Maybe if the one who is buried is an atheist, the yes but if he/she is religious then they should not remove the word from the text.
    Were they fighting for some God or for their nation?

    Their nation. Duh.

    Who should remember them for it? Some omnipotent god or the nation they fought for?

    The nation. Duh.
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    July 2009
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    Maybe if the one who is buried is an atheist, the yes but if he/she is religious then they should not remove the word from the text.
    The problem is that it seems these ceremonies are in memorial for multiple soldiers at once, not indiviudal cermonies, making it likely that there are atheiests as well as religous in the same group. I think the issue is purely aesthetic and people are better off getting worked up over more pressing matters.

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    Rated heart because it's considerate.
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    October 2009
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    Israel seems to be learning about separation of church and state.

    Now, about America...
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    : Israel's separating church and state...
    : ...although it wasn't really a big deal to begin with...
    : ...but at least it's considerate of them.
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    July 2009
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    : Israel's separating church and state...
    : ...although it wasn't really a big deal to begin with...
    : ...but at least it's considerate of them.
    Is this a guide for rating OP or a personal poll using your post?

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    May 2012
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    I rated OP dumb because I felt like it then 7 other people followed in my footsteps.
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    October 2009
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    : Israel's separating church and state...
    : ...although it wasn't really a big deal to begin with...
    : ...but at least it's considerate of them.
    A country realizing about separation of church/state not a big deal? It's the principal of such, and good to see another country realizing this.

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    : Israel's separating church and state...
    : ...although it wasn't really a big deal to begin with...
    : ...but at least it's considerate of them.
    More like Synagogue and state though

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    smace's Avatar
    May 2012
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    Ok all Israel has to do now is agree to a two-state solution.

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    Marbalo's Avatar
    June 2011
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    This is pretty cool, this country is the last I'd imagine being concerned about separation of 'synagogue and state' just yet. Ive always thought we were nowhere near that point in our societal development.
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