1. Post #241
    sirbinks's Avatar
    August 2008
    257 Posts
    I think wiremod has really expanded what could be done in Gmod, at least it did for me. I never wold have been able to build giant pinball or pong without it.

    While I agree that endless copies of engines and turrets are boring, I definitely think that wire can be a huge asset given a little creativity.

    (Plus, when you're running Gmod on a laptop like me, you don't have a numpad, so some other form of input is a must. Thank god for the pod controller.)
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  2. Post #242
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    Phycosymo's Avatar
    December 2007
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    Wiremod is a great addon, many uses for it and all.

    But, it seems to have made a ton of Garry's Mod players stop using their imagination, and at times just be a total assholes.

    For example, I was building a car the other day using entirely vanilla props, when this jackass comes with this ugly PHX3 "car" he made and tells me that I suck and I'm a minge for not using wire, and then proceeded on to destroy my car.

    As for killing the imagination, for example, you could build a nice catapult or cannon with vanilla tools and props, that could take you a bit to make. Then some wire mod user crushes all your spirit by simply using a forcer to catapult any particular prop.
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  3. Post #243

    September 2007
    18 Posts
    lol people are still whining about this?

    please stand up, turn 360 degrees, and go outside.


    Wiremod is a great addon, many uses for it and all.

    But, it seems to have made a ton of Garry's Mod players stop using their imagination, and at times just be a total assholes.

    For example, I was building a car the other day using entirely vanilla props, when this jackass comes with this ugly PHX3 "car" he made and tells me that I suck and I'm a minge for not using wire, and then proceeded on to destroy my car.

    As for killing the imagination, for example, you could build a nice catapult or cannon with vanilla tools and props, that could take you a bit to make. Then some wire mod user crushes all your spirit by simply using a forcer to catapult any particular prop.
    you know what? wire mod is great, good amount of automation, but people using it are ignorant as hell.

    you simply just tell them that you don't give a crap that they can download some crappy wire contraption from gmod.org, and upload it to the server and act like they made it. for all you know, they just enjoy looking better then you from stupid shit, and if they enjoy doing that, then they have some really fucked up problems.
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  4. Post #244
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    July 2006
    745 Posts
    I agree, wiremod has in fact ruined garrys mod. I cannot stand going to any sandbox servers now because of wire.
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  5. Post #245
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    Phycosymo's Avatar
    December 2007
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    you know what? wire mod is great, good amount of automation, but people using it are ignorant as hell.

    you simply just tell them that you don't give a crap that they can download some crappy wire contraption from gmod.org, and upload it to the server and act like they made it. for all you know, they just enjoy looking better then you from stupid shit, and if they enjoy doing that, then they have some really fucked up problems.
    I also really dislike these kinds of people you pointed out. I hate the nine year olds who do this all the time.
    Steal someones work and claim to be their own, and if you say that they didn't make it, they will either
    A. Attempt to crash the server
    B. Attempt to disrupt your fun
    or C. Start talking trash towards you and say that your mom is a "whore" and will even question of your own sexuality.
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  6. Post #246
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    August 2008
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    I also really dislike these kinds of people you pointed out. I hate the nine year olds who do this all the time.
    Steal someones work and claim to be their own, and if you say that they didn't make it, they will either
    A. Attempt to crash the server
    B. Attempt to disrupt your fun
    or C. Start talking trash towards you and say that your mom is a "whore" and will even question of your own sexuality.
    Considering most of them don't understand how it works you can confuse them by saying, "Okay, if you made it, how does it work? What produces the helicopters lift huh?", before long they will be off the server or crying, and if they do decide to insult you, normally an admin will deal with them.
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  7. Post #247
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    March 2009
    3 Posts
    Wire can be cool if you have the ideas for building with it.
    and also if you understand the advanced chips and tools that go with it.
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  8. Post #248

    October 2008
    3 Posts
    Wire's fun, but if it's not used for text screens, it being used to minge.
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  9. Post #249
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    fishyfish777's Avatar
    November 2007
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    Wire's fun, but if it's not used for text screens, it being used to minge.
    But you can use it for segway races
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  10. Post #250
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    January 2009
    29 Posts
    On tricky's tutorials server, You cant use normal tools or you get kicked, thats what happend to me
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  11. Post #251
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    August 2008
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    On tricky's tutorials server, You cant use normal tools or you get kicked, thats what happend to me
    Looking at your name here, I think they may have kicked you for an unreadable Steam community name. they haven't kicked me and I used normal tools to build something there multiple times.
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  12. Post #252

    March 2009
    2 Posts
    I don't know how to use wire mod I only can use wiring from youtube tutorials.
    I get a lot more fun from the game by making my own things and using them with the numpad.
    I agree that for a really complex thing you might need wires for more slots for numpad. I spawned a plane model and I used thrusters to control it. I put a seat in it and got in. I put 2 thrusters under the wings to activate with number 8. Some at the back controled with /. And some on the side controled with 4 and 6. Some on the top with 2.I could control it myself.I saved it and started practicing flying it. It was fun because I actually controled it while a wired one would control itself and you would get no fun.
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  13. Post #253
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    September 2006
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    I love wiremod and I think it's the best addon for Gmod and in MY OPINION people only whine about it because they can't use it.
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  14. Post #254
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    September 2006
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    If people tell you that your a noob for NOT using wiremod then you can just tell them FUCK OFF! stand up for your self!
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  15. Post #255
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    September 2006
    876 Posts
    Just look what wiremod can do!
    http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=531905
    Thanks to Zeospantera.
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  16. Post #256
    ahref's Avatar
    July 2008
    191 Posts
    is boring wire-mod shit that half of us don't understand
    Lazyness...by your logic anything you dont understand is boring? thats flawed.

    used to be about the building
    construction: the act of constructing something
    err it still is.

    I just think people have taken it too far
    Too far would be making gmod in gmod. Inspiration and creation expand with the tools availible. Without metal or stone we'd be in wooden huts going ugg ugg and complaining.

    [qupte]"Wow, another engine, never seen that before!"[/quote]
    Practicising concepts is what wire people do. If they build something original youll read about it somewhere. also "Wow, another laggy container door fort that uses thrusters to open and close a door!!"

    I just wish we could go back to the old days where building skill still counted.
    construction: the act of constructing something
    Building skill does :D. I can build stuff you cannot.

    With the onset of wire 2 allowing you to encase chips inside an intergrated circuit wiremod is coming closer to real electronics.

    Every electrical thing contains a few of these you can't escape them.

    I challenge you to make a fully functional house that doesnt use thrusters or hydraulics for the doors and windows. Id love to see a locking system for your door without using wire.

    Numpad controls are obsolete when i can just press a key on my keyboard and get fully functioning text to display on a screen:

    This is actually a chat system you can see another client saying hello whilst i tested line lengths. You can come and see it on my server if you want but my server has double the wire stuff your used to.

    also
    It was fun because I actually controled it while a wired one would control itself and you would get no fun.
    Err real planes use computers to stay in the air :D.
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  17. Post #257
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    August 2008
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    Unless you have Wire 2 or the UNWSVN installed, how the hell did you get double wire?
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  18. Post #258
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    May 2008
    3,632 Posts
    Oh Hai Facepunch :P Wiremod is best and most widely the lua addon for garry'smod
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  19. Post #259
    ahref's Avatar
    July 2008
    191 Posts
    Unless you have Wire 2 or the UNWSVN installed, how the hell did you get double wire?
    I have UWSVN,Wire2 and 2 sets of custom functions for expression 2. I also have 3 custom functions for E2 that i wrote myself... SO :D!. Oh Hai J
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  20. Post #260
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    June 2008
    2 Posts
    i can make an invisible turret that kills all the guys using wiremod and in a way that looks like god did it
    im sure you could do this with wire but its more fun with out it and much faster
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  21. Post #261
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    May 2007
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    -Cleanup snip-
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  22. Post #262
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    June 2008
    4,170 Posts
    In my honest opinion (if anyone cares, please read on)

    I believe that Wire Mod has overuled Garry's Mod, GMod used to be a simple game where you built things that were very basic like forts etc but with the addition of Wire Mod GMod has become more complicated because half the things in Wire Mod i have no idea what they mean, it doesn't really detail on what the tool does or how to work it, all it sais is what it is nothing else.

    Anyway, thanks for reading i guess nice topic for a rant.
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  23. Post #263
    ahref's Avatar
    July 2008
    191 Posts
    simple
    complicated
    Being complicated doesn't mean bad. Try learning some simple wiremod stuff. :D
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  24. Post #264
    Fucker ALT's Avatar
    February 2009
    5 Posts
    I hate wiremod because its so damn complicated.
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  25. Post #265
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    June 2008
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    i refrain to use as little wire as possible. I agree with you somewhat op, but wire is necessary for some awesome things, like realisitically flying helicopters, gcombat, etc.
    believe or not, this only has one necessary wire component, which is a speedometer wired to a thruster to prevent backspin =P
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  26. Post #266

    October 2008
    27 Posts
    Without wiremod, my inventons would be a total peice of crap...
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  27. Post #267
    Almighty's Avatar
    November 2006
    672 Posts
    Wire has only a prerequisite to help impress the online community. However that doesn't mean not using it isn't fun.

    If your happy with how you're playing the game then you shouldn't have to complain about how others are playing it. That is, unless, you secretly wish wire was never invented to bring ambitious people down to your level of putting wheels on kleiner.
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  28. Post #268
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    January 2009
    29 Posts
    Looking at your name here, I think they may have kicked you for an unreadable Steam community name. they haven't kicked me and I used normal tools to build something there multiple times.
    No, my in-game name is not ๖ۜwug_ .
    I just built some jet in the area where everyone was building, and he said "get that piece of crap away from me" and kicked me with reason "learn wire"
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  29. Post #269
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    April 2007
    146 Posts
    It's probably been said countless of times before, but here's my view on it:
    Wiremod is to geeks, what Garrysmod is to tinkerers.

    Some people like to work with their hands and aesthetics, while others rather work with technical problems and solutions.
    Those are the two extremes in reality, and it is often easy to tell which one of those a person is, and there is nothing wrong with either.

    So in my opinion, I would say that rather than Wiremod somehow ruining Garrysmod, it simply introduced another group of people into the game. But the reasoning is interesting, because if instead Garrysmod was an addon for Wiremod, the argument would be the reverse, how Garrysmod destroyed Wiremod and now everything has to look pretty >:(


    I think the root of the problem is that while tinkerers secretly think "I wish I could understand wiremod :'(", they don't realize that geeks also think "I wish I could build like that :'(".
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  30. Post #270
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    August 2008
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    No, my in-game name is not ๖ۜwug_ .
    I just built some jet in the area where everyone was building, and he said "get that piece of crap away from me" and kicked me with reason "learn wire"
    You probably ran into one of the assholey 5 year olds that somehow got admin then, god I hate them, I've seen them quite a few times on there.
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  31. Post #271
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    November 2007
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    I agree that wiremod is complicated. This used to be such a simple game, but now you have to learn trigonometry to work things.

    ...Which I did.
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  32. Post #272
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    July 2008
    191 Posts
    Complicated doesn't mean bad or ruined. Dont shun something to a corner just because you don't understand it. So it being complicated is not an excuse you just are not prepared to learn and practice wiremod until it sticks.

    Trigonometery is tricky yes but I haven't used it since i made a holo circle last year. Its only used for 3D and 2D coordinate calculations which are way to complicated for you if your calling the entirity of wiremod complicated.

    Spawn a wired thruster and a button with THE DEFFAULT SETTINGS. wire a of the thruster to the button. We all have a button that says 1 and 0 its on the back of our pcs. Its wires overuling concept wire one to something to make it do something and wire 0 to make it stop. In the real world give electricity to something and you can heat light video games etc don't give it electricity and you get cold bored and can't see much at nihgt
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  33. Post #273
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    Phycosymo's Avatar
    December 2007
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    I love wiremod and I think it's the best addon for Gmod and in MY OPINION people only whine about it because they can't use it.
    I have a basic knowledge of wire, and I still think it's ruined gmod, well the players at least.

    It's a great addon but players pretty much stopped using their imagination because of it. For example, I could make a catapult, using the vanilla tools, with lots of constraints and what not while some other talentless player builds a forcer with some values on a ugly steel plate, and that works too.

    And I'm sick of seeing practically useless and ugly engines everywhere I go.
    ahref posted:
    Complicated doesn't mean bad or ruined.
    It didn't ruin gmod because it's complicated.
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  34. Post #274
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    April 2007
    146 Posts
    I have a basic knowledge of wire, and I still think it's ruined gmod, well the players at least.

    It's a great addon but players pretty much stopped using their imagination because of it. For example, I could make a catapult, using the vanilla tools, with lots of constraints and what not while some other talentless player builds a forcer with some values on a ugly steel plate, and that works too.

    And I'm sick of seeing practically useless and ugly engines everywhere I go.
    Oh so you mean that there minges didn't exist before wiremod?
    Minges that spawned their bathtub, some wheels and some thrusters and went around it that all day long?
    And I could say the same, I'm sick and tired of seeing all those catapults built from the exact same tutorial.

    You can't judge something by those who doesn't use it properly or just copies some tutorial, by your standard all of earth is simple one big retardcamp... because there exists a few? Yeah I totally agree with you.

    The only thing is that some people actually got tired of making the same old catapults over and over, so they went and made engines instead, which they then made another few hundred times.

    And the same thing applies to you, why the **** do you care if someone makes a shitty catapult?
    Are people perhaps not allowed to learn at their own pace and do what they feel like?
    Everyone should be building replicas, only replicas, and they have to be perfect replicas, and judged by you.

    I'm pretty sure the first thing you did when you got garrysmod wasn't to build a perfect replica that wowed everyone. But perhaps that's ok, because it was you... right?
    I'm also pretty sure that everyone else that loves building replicas, are still building replicas, and will continue building replicas. The only people that stop building replicas are those that got bored of it, or like you, those that can't mind their buisness, and feels that gmod is now ruined because everyone isn't building replicas
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  35. Post #275
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    October 2008
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    I would prefer Wiremod, because I don't like having limited contraptions due to only 16 numpad buttons, but I can get along fine without it.

    I prefer vanilla tools in some cases, as well. Hydraulics and Hoverballs for one.
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  36. Post #276
    Dennab
    August 2008
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    I would prefer Wiremod, because I don't like having limited contraptions due to only 16 numpad buttons, but I can get along fine without it.

    I prefer vanilla tools in some cases, as well. Hydraulics and Hoverballs for one.
    I agree!
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  37. Post #277
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    March 2009
    3 Posts
    I can't tell you how you could do that without it, but all that stuff's just too much math.

    Gmod is a game which requires alot of creativity, adding logical thinking into a creative game is just wrong.

    All you people who enjoys logical thinking will surely disagree with me, yes, but Gmod needs less of all the logical stuff, not more.
    Actually, that isn't any math at all. is just saying when a timer is greater than 2, a prop will appear.

    to me, it doesn't sound too complicated.
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  38. Post #278
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    August 2008
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    It isn't hard, poeple just like moaning
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  39. Post #279
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    November 2007
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    It's hard to grasp the concept. The general concept is, that wiremod is a series of numbers running through a series of tubes. Those numbers are triggered, modified, etc, using gates and stuff. The number "1" usually says "on" while the number "0" usually says "off".
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  40. Post #280
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    February 2009
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    I think wiremod engines are a load of poo.
    what an intellectual remark on this debate.
    anyway, I've already had loads of fun with it (wire, that is) and I've only had it a few weeks, so even though I'm noob I've made some quite cool things, no complete computer systems though. although, I must agree pointless things are well, pointless, i dont think theres any point making something in a game if it isn't fun.
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