1. Post #441
    Transpectral's Avatar
    August 2007
    17 Posts
    Nah, changing the outer or inner barrel is a snap in most AEGs, unless you've got some pain of a gun to take apart. The gun isn't a complete G36C nor a complete G36K so you can't call it either. Still a G36, of course, but not C or K (or E for that matter!)
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  2. Post #442
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    July 2006
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    I consider the G36 classes by barrel length, not the choice in optics since they are easily switched out.

    2 vents, G36C
    4 Vents, G36K
    6 vents, Full size G36 or SL8, depending on the stock.
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  3. Post #443
    Kais's Avatar
    July 2007
    48 Posts
    Yea the class is defined by the barrel length not by accessories.
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  4. Post #444
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  5. Post #445
    Awesome Moo's Avatar
    January 2008
    44 Posts
    God damn you boy! Why won't you just listen!?

    www.airsoftgi.com

    Since you are a cheap bastard check out:

    A&K
    JG
    ECHO 1
    G&G SPORTLINE
    CA SPORTLINE
    TSD SPORTLINE
    CYMA

    There are more. Just fucking look.
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  6. Post #446
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    May 2007
    27 Posts
    I'm cheap because its hard to even find work around the house, i spend my entire day cuting thorn bushes at the top of the hill have and got 30 bucks, now they owe me 82 dollars and i don't get it till the end of the week
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  7. Post #447
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    December 2005
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    get the G&G Sportline.

    If you don't plan on getting very serious. The Well LPEG MP5 (on airsplat) can serve you well. Why LPEGS? Because, if a guy just wants to sit on his ass and shoot a few coke cans, he ain't gonna need no damned tokyo marui.

    Of course, I'm the airsoft crazy man. So don't trust me 100%.
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  8. Post #448
    Awesome Moo's Avatar
    January 2008
    44 Posts
    zeroarmorjed posted:
    I'm cheap because its hard to even find work around the house, i spend my entire day cuting thorn bushes at the top of the hill have and got 30 bucks, now they owe me 82 dollars and i don't get it till the end of the week
    Lucky ass. When I was real young, I didn't get paid to do shit. It was expected of me. And I did a hell've alot of work.
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  9. Post #449
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    December 2005
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    Yeah, I don't get paid too to do stuff around the house.
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  10. Post #450
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    January 2008
    61 Posts
    I got $10 a week for taking trash out, doing dishes, cleaning room, ect. Now that I have my own job I have to pay my parents $10 a week since they drive me from work.
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  11. Post #451
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    January 2008
    44 Posts
    doommarine23 posted:
    Yeah, I don't get paid too to do stuff around the house.
    I suppose we really can't complain. We're given a roof and food, amirite? I can get by with that much, moneys what a jobs for.

    Edit:

    Around where I live, if you are 15 you can get a job putting fliers on peoples doors, plan out a route, and put on a good pair of shoes, and you can make yourself a pretty penny, considering they pay "by-the-house". I suppose doing this and working in retail, you can get a good airsoft fund going.
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  12. Post #452
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    Awesome Moo posted:
    I suppose we really can't complain. We're given a roof and food, amirite? I can get by with that much, moneys what a jobs for.

    Edit:

    Around where I live, if you are 15 you can get a job putting fliers on peoples doors, plan out a route, and put on a good pair of shoes, and you can make yourself a pretty penny, considering they pay "by-the-house".
    While true, around where I live you need to be 15 (or i think now 16) to work. I am 13. Sure, I pass off as 17 but eh.
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  13. Post #453
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    July 2006
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    I'm lucky. I get $20 a week for lunch, and another $20 for walking the dog. This explains how I can afford most of my guns and gear.

    Hopefully I should be getting summer job, then I can afford some more stuff.
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  14. Post #454
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    June 2007
    51 Posts
    xXEnder007Xx posted:
    Hopefully I should be getting summer job, then I can afford some more stuff.
    I just managed to get a job working in Farmfoods, 180 a week.

    I've worked there before you hardly ever get customers and most of the time is spend bowling with out of date biscuit tubes and chickens.
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  15. Post #455
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    SeamanStaine posted:
    I just managed to get a job working in Farmfoods, 180 a week.

    I've worked there before you hardly ever get customers and most of the time is spend bowling with out of date biscuit tubes and chickens.
    Do they have any vacancies? :raise:
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  16. Post #456
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    June 2007
    51 Posts
    Adam Whitby posted:
    Do they have any vacancies? :raise:
    Not anymore

    6 an hour, 30 hours a week. So yeah it is a proper job, not a paper round.
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  17. Post #457
    Awesome Moo's Avatar
    January 2008
    44 Posts
    This thread has turned into the "Can I has a moneys" thread
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  18. Post #458
    SeamanStaine's Avatar
    June 2007
    51 Posts
    Ok, to get this thread sort of back on course, I got one of these 3 weeks ago.
    http://www.rsov.com/product/0/1729/p...res-CM042.html

    Near indestructable, heavy (but sits well with a sling), real wood and metal, 350FPS, enough room for an 8.4v battery. Doesn't creak at all. Gun blueing effect is great, wood looks new but I'll do some work on it soon to make it look old. No one at my local site can believe it is a CYMA.

    It far surpasses the quality of any Tokyo Mauri gun, and comes in alot cheaper too.
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  19. Post #459
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    January 2008
    61 Posts
    SeamanStaine posted:
    It far surpasses the quality of any Tokyo Mauri gun, and comes in alot cheaper too.
    lol.
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  20. Post #460
    SeamanStaine's Avatar
    June 2007
    51 Posts
    c0llide posted:
    lol.
    No joke. This thing is MUCH better quality. I've played around with Japanese guns and the new Chinese ones are much better.

    The old Chinese ones were terrible though.
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  21. Post #461
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    January 2005
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    I've heard a lot of good things about Cyma's new AK-47s and AK-74s. All of the reviews I've read are good.

    I may consider one in the future, but I'm going to stick with my three guns at the moment.

    Also, for those who laugh and sneer at Cyma, there was a company, a while back, that did the same thing. Started crappy and now one of the main-stay. Classic Army. Original Classic Army guns sucked. However, now they are one of the more popular brands on the field.

    Cyma started out absolutely shitty. I'll agree. Most of their guns are still shitty. However, if they start doing what they have been on these new AK models, I think we'll see another player on the brand field.

    I do not see why you guys think that competition is a threat. (I see it more so as "Oh no, I bought this gun for 400 dollars now people can buy it for half as much with roughly the same quality. Ego-boost deactivated :(" ) Competition is what airsoft has needed for along time.

    I struggled to start airsoft back in 2001-2002. I had no job, I was in middle school and those were the years where it was either Tokyo Marui or nothing. Most people starting out only bought springers, saw how crappy they were, and disappeared from the hobby. However, I stuck with it until I finally was able to get the TM M16A2 in 2003. Two years AFTER I started.

    I seriously wish that all these clone brands and cheaper brands existed when I started and have the same quality they do now. Why? Because I would have gotten into airsoft a lot faster, and, things would have been different in this area regarding airsoft. It would have become a little more popular...so...more people to play with.

    Competition also helps balance the prices. When TM was the only good brand, they literally had the say on what they could price things. Now, with competition, they are forced to adapt. And as those other companies are starting to creep up in quality to them, I'm sure in the future we will start seeing better products from TM, CA, VFC, and so on.

    This, people, is why GOOD competition is GOOD. Stop being so stuck-up over brands, it's what has killed paintball, and if people keep it up, it's what will kill airsoft. Airsoft is not about "Holy shit, my 600 dollar gun kicks your 200 dollar guns ASS." It's about having fun, learning teamwork, and being more mature and laid back than most other sports and hobbys that involve competition.

    Seriously. Each time I see a brand battle, this echoes in my head...

    "Oh, my 600 dollar auto-cocker beats the hell out of your Tippmann 98 because your gun came in a value package at 140 dollars."

    And that, my friends. Is a direct quote I have heard before. Elitism will slowly drag this sport down a hill, and pull everyone with it.
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  22. Post #462
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    July 2006
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    Because the reality of the matter is my brand new JG G36C which cost me 35, yes, 35 just mowed you and your M4A1 SOPMOD which you spent over 1000 on down.

    Also, teamwork. No matter what your opponent has I'd rather have a decent team than their weapon.
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  23. Post #463
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    January 2008
    61 Posts
    The thing is with TM is they won't just lower their prices, wanna know why? They can't. Which is also one of the reasons why TM is going to stop selling their guns outside Japan. Wanna know something else? CA which had very good quality control is going down the shitter. Evike has refused to carry CA now because their last batch was so bad. And another thing, these clone companies won't make anything NEW! They got the slave labor, the cheap parts, why not make something new from it? All I've seen them doing is copying old and current TM/CA/VFC designs.

    Edit:

    Also, when I started airsofting in 2002 I didn't have a job, I didn't get money from my parents, nothing like that. I started by borrowing my friend's GBB then I saved money up for months and bought my first NBB (Y&P Beretta) then I saved up for almost a year and sold the M9 and bought a used TM M4. Ever since then I've been selling video games, old guns, and using birthdays and christmas to get more airsoft stuff.

    Edit:

    SeamanStaine posted:
    No joke. This thing is MUCH better quality. I've played around with Japanese guns and the new Chinese ones are much better.

    The old Chinese ones were terrible though.
    And it is. When a CYMA can run stock for 7 years without repairs you let me know.
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  24. Post #464
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    c0llide posted:
    They got the slave labor, the cheap parts, why not make something new from it? All I've seen them doing is copying old and current TM/CA/VFC designs.
    JLS SCAR.

    Ok, it's not that good stock, a little tweaking and it's decent, but it was out way before VFC's or CA's.
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  25. Post #465
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    January 2008
    44 Posts
    c0llide posted:
    The thing is with TM is they won't just lower their prices, wanna know why? They can't. Which is also one of the reasons why TM is going to stop selling their guns outside Japan. Wanna know something else? CA which had very good quality control is going down the shitter. Evike has refused to carry CA now because their last batch was so bad. And another thing, these clone companies won't make anything NEW! They got the slave labor, the cheap parts, why not make something new from it? All I've seen them doing is copying old and current TM/CA/VFC designs.

    Edit:

    Also, when I started airsofting in 2002 I didn't have a job, I didn't get money from my parents, nothing like that. I started by borrowing my friend's GBB then I saved money up for months and bought my first NBB (Y&P Beretta) then I saved up for almost a year and sold the M9 and bought a used TM M4. Ever since then I've been selling video games, old guns, and using birthdays and christmas to get more airsoft stuff.

    Edit:


    And it is. When a CYMA can run stock for 7 years without repairs you let me know.
    I've known to many people with TM horror stories.

    This is what TM is working on lately.



    For all of you who don't know, TM has been working on train sets rather than airsoft as of late

    Edit:

    I always thought TM should have relocated to Taiwan or somewhere other than Japan to avoid all those shitty laws, if it came stock with a higher FPS, metal body, and blowback for the pistols, that would be fucking epic.
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  26. Post #466
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    January 2008
    61 Posts
    Awesome Moo posted:
    I've known to many people with TM horror stories.
    Like what? Unless the person is brain dead it shouldn't be too hard to fuck up a TM.

    Edit:

    Awesome Moo posted:
    I always thought TM should have relocated to Taiwan or somewhere other than Japan to avoid all those shitty laws, if it came stock with a higher FPS, metal body, and blowback for the pistols, that would be fucking epic.
    Since when are TMs not blowback? I swear this forum doesn't research anything about TMs.

    Edit:

    Fragmatic posted:
    JLS SCAR.

    Ok, it's not that good stock, a little tweaking and it's decent, but it was out way before VFC's or CA's.
    It's funny that when CA announced a SCAR a month later JLS said they were making one and released it a month before CAs. And JLS' SCAR isn't that unique other than the front end and stock, the internals all work the same way they would on a M4.
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  27. Post #467
    Awesome Moo's Avatar
    January 2008
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    Oh. My bad, I thought TM was NBB.
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  28. Post #468
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    June 2007
    51 Posts
    Once Japan is out of the picture the Chinese will make new guns. Real Sword is a Chinese company making some real leaps in airsoft gun design.

    Their Type 56s can take two batteries, linked up. The gun is made from real Type 56 parts. The reciever is the same size as the real one (unlike TM and clones, which are afew mm wider). The internals are tidy and clean, wires are ran through wire guides. China has the people to develop the next generation of airsoft replica's.

    Oh and Collide my friend who got me into airsoft has a CM031 which he got in 2006, and he has used every week to two weeks in half day to full day games and it hasn't failed yet which is ridiculous considering the sheer amount of punishment that boy puts it through, its gears should have stripped long ago.
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  29. Post #469
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    January 2008
    44 Posts
    I want a RealSword type 97 REALLY bad. That gun is sex in a convenient package.
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  30. Post #470
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    That can shoot your foot and make you bleed
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  31. Post #471
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    June 2007
    51 Posts
    Awesome Moo posted:
    I want a RealSword type 97 REALLY bad. That gun is sex in a convenient package.
    Yeah it looks really nice. Made of the same materials as the real one. Can take M16 magazines and you can get a picatinny rail for the top for aftermarket scopes. Battery arrangement looks like a bitch though.
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  32. Post #472
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    January 2008
    44 Posts
    doommarine23 posted:
    That can shoot your foot and make you bleed
    Unfortunately, it would be more difficult, because if I remember correctly it shoots at 295. Rather disappointing considering it costs nearly $500.
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  33. Post #473
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    January 2008
    61 Posts
    SeamanStaine posted:
    Once Japan is out of the picture the Chinese will make new guns. Real Sword is a Chinese company making some real leaps in airsoft gun design.
    You act like Japan is bad? You know Japanese manufactures INVENTED everything in airsoft basically.

    SeamanStaine posted:
    Their Type 56s can take two batteries, linked up. The gun is made from real Type 56 parts. The reciever is the same size as the real one (unlike TM and clones, which are afew mm wider). The internals are tidy and clean, wires are ran through wire guides. China has the people to develop the next generation of airsoft replica's.
    RS is an exception. They don't clone and they're a real gun manufacturer. They'll probably not make anymore guns either.

    SeamanStaine posted:
    Oh and Collide my friend who got me into airsoft has a CM031 which he got in 2006, and he has used every week to two weeks in half day to full day games and it hasn't failed yet which is ridiculous considering the sheer amount of punishment that boy puts it through, its gears should have stripped long ago.
    Yeah um, 1.5 years is not 7, barely a fraction.

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    Awesome Moo posted:
    Unfortunately, it would be more difficult, because if I remember correctly it shoots at 295. Rather disappointing considering it costs nearly $500.
    Like in every Japanese manufacturer's case, FPS does not mean quality. A $10 spring does not make or break a gun.
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  34. Post #474
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    If you want to avoid getting a lemon, order from a place that tests the guns and is reliable.

    I'd also like to see proof behind this recent Classic Army ban, if you'd not mind showing it to me.

    If you order from places such as AirsoftGI or Airsoft Smith, you will not have this issue with quality control. They test each gun before shipping them out. Airsoft Smith does a full check on them before shipping, I'd know, because I've bought two guns from their store front.

    I bought my G36k a few months ago and it's running just fine. I managed to out shoot two TM G36cs, which you, c0llide, claimed would never happen in a lifetime. Simply used my scope and easily had them out ranged and was more accurate.

    Airsoft Smith has shared a very similar view for a LONG time. They carried only TM and Classic Army. I spoke to the man running the shop last week and he's starting to carry Echo 1 and JG. Why? Because he said he was "Shocked at the quality and performance of the new clone guns."

    This comes from a man who is experienced at taking apart guns and fixing them. He's done it for many years and has been playing as long as I have, if not longer. I was shocked to hear it coming from him, as they were only 'name brand carriers' for a long time.

    I'm not saying TM is bad. I'm just pointing out, TM is not the god-like their shit does not stink company you try to make it out to be. The other brands are catching up.

    Why, you ask, do they not make something new? I'm sure they will, they are just working on the current guns out there first. Then I bet we'll see some new stuff. Give it about a year, and I'm sure we'll start seeing some sweet new guns rolling off into the market.
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  35. Post #475
    Dennab
    December 2006
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    It is my fail pistol
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  36. Post #476
    SeamanStaine's Avatar
    June 2007
    51 Posts
    Woah, does it work?

    c0llide posted:
    You act like Japan is bad? You know Japanese manufactures INVENTED everything in airsoft basically.

    Yeah um, 1.5 years is not 7, barely a fraction.
    I didn't say Japan was bad. What I mean is once they stop distributing globally or even making or designing guns, China will make their own airsoft replica's. They have the knowlage to do it now, and companies like RS demonstrate they can make quality guns.

    And yes, 1.5 years is not 7, but I wouldn't be suprised if it does shoot that long, the gearbox is high quality and the only complaint he had was the amount of "lubrication" they shipped it with.

    He has used that gun for more than 30 games, hours and hours a time each and it hasn't broken yet.
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  37. Post #477
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    January 2008
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    HkSniper posted:
    If you want to avoid getting a lemon, order from a place that tests the guns and is reliable.

    I'd also like to see proof behind this recent Classic Army ban, if you'd not mind showing it to me.

    If you order from places such as AirsoftGI or Airsoft Smith, you will not have this issue with quality control. They test each gun before shipping them out. Airsoft Smith does a full check on them before shipping, I'd know, because I've bought two guns from their store front.

    I bought my G36k a few months ago and it's running just fine. I managed to out shoot two TM G36cs, which you, c0llide, claimed would never happen in a lifetime. Simply used my scope and easily had them out ranged and was more accurate.

    Airsoft Smith has shared a very similar view for a LONG time. They carried only TM and Classic Army. I spoke to the man running the shop last week and he's starting to carry Echo 1 and JG. Why? Because he said he was "Shocked at the quality and performance of the new clone guns."

    This comes from a man who is experienced at taking apart guns and fixing them. He's done it for many years and has been playing as long as I have, if not longer. I was shocked to hear it coming from him, as they were only 'name brand carriers' for a long time.

    I'm not saying TM is bad. I'm just pointing out, TM is not the god-like their shit does not stink company you try to make it out to be. The other brands are catching up.

    Why, you ask, do they not make something new? I'm sure they will, they are just working on the current guns out there first. Then I bet we'll see some new stuff. Give it about a year, and I'm sure we'll start seeing some sweet new guns rolling off into the market.
    I, for one, have seen CA guns getting shit reviews lately. Rather disappointing.
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  38. Post #478
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    January 2008
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    HkSniper posted:
    I'd also like to see proof behind this recent Classic Army ban, if you'd not mind showing it to me.
    I didn't say it was a ban. I said a store stopped carrying CA.

    HkSniper posted:
    If you order from places such as AirsoftGI or Airsoft Smith, you will not have this issue with quality control. They test each gun before shipping them out. Airsoft Smith does a full check on them before shipping, I'd know, because I've bought two guns from their store front.
    oh no, you get the problem, it just stops at the store. As in the store gets the lemon, not you.

    HkSniper posted:
    I bought my G36k a few months ago and it's running just fine. I managed to out shoot two TM G36cs, which you, c0llide, claimed would never happen in a lifetime. Simply used my scope and easily had them out ranged and was more accurate.
    When you say "out shoot", do you mean FPS/Range/ROF? Cause I never said TM has these, in fact I say they don't, I do however say their quality is unsurpassed.


    HkSniper posted:
    Why, you ask, do they not make something new? I'm sure they will, they are just working on the current guns out there first. Then I bet we'll see some new stuff. Give it about a year, and I'm sure we'll start seeing some sweet new guns rolling off into the market.
    I doubt it. They've literally had dozens of chances to improve on TM design and they haven't done anything with it.

    Edit:

    CA has been cutting a lot of corners on the latest generations so they can lower their prices. Great competition eh?
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  39. Post #479
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    I can vouch for CA's QC dropping. My friend and his dad both bought CA M15 CQBR's, and within 2 rounds of their first game, my friends dad's CQBR died. Not sure why but it sounded like something was wrong with the gearbox.

    I think TM is falling behind the times though, but I think they spend more time working on other projects such as their trains. Clone guns are starting to have better externals (metal bodies) that TM doesn't have. Give them some time and their internals will be up there too one day.

    I still like Chinese clones. They may not last as long, but they're great guns. I wish I had them when I started. The only chinese guns we had back then were the UTG MP5 (CM.027 I think) and the UTG Ak47's, which were CYMA rebrands. Now there's a bunch to choose from. It's great for new comers, but I've also seen it as a bad thing on the field. More kids, or noobs I should say, can afford the guns, and they tend to ruin the games by not calling their hits. I'm not saying it's all of them, but the amount of them has gone up over the last year from what I've seen.
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  40. Post #480
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    January 2005
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    So how come TM has not bothered to improve their own weapons?

    Where's the metal bodies?
    Where's some improved internals?
    Fixes on bugs in previous models (infamous M16 barrel wobble for example)
    New guns rolling out?

    If Tokyo Mauri started making metal body guns, I would buy them in a heartbeat. They're internal durability with external durability that I know they would be capable of would be awesome.

    Yet. All I see is the same plastic guns...

    It's one of the reasons I do not buy TM. I'd be afraid of tripping over something and snapping an expensive gun such as it in half.

    It's too bad you can not see, perhaps, a team up between TM and CA. CA's bodies are very well made (I love their MP5.) and internals though have been hit and miss lately (both of my guns however, the MP5 and G36k shoot just fine.)

    Though, I would rather not spend a ton of money buying a CA MP5 and a TM MP5 just to swap parts...we're talking 400-500 dollars on an MP5.

    And when I mean outshot, I mean outshot. Range and accuracy, both of which you claimed in an earlier thread would be impossible. I'd dig for it, but it would not be worth my time or effort.
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