1. Post #41
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    Yes, that's the Collectors Armor.
    Holy shit. Bioware knows how to make some awesome armor.


    Mother fucking page 2.
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  2. Post #42
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    Wrex says otherwise.

    I'm still unsure, but I did say FP would decide. She lives!

    :toot:
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  3. Post #43
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    Wrex says otherwise.

    I'm still unsure, but I did say FP would decide. She lives!

    :toot:
    Just remember, to even out the Paragon with Renegade, do every single side-quest and always choose the renegade option (You'll need points in Intimidate.)

    Except for Conrad Verner, keep him happy.
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  4. Post #44
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    Just remember, to even out the Paragon with Renegade, do every single side-quest and always choose the renegade option (You'll need points in Intimidate.)

    Except for Conrad Verner, keep him happy.
    Yeah, this is like my 2nd/3rd playthrough and I wanted my character to be an overall good character with sass.

    Yeah, you're right. Now that I think about it, my character wouldn't kill her. And I feel better about that decision.

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    In other news, that new gun for Gamestop preorders looks cool.
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    Yeah, this is like my 2nd/3rd playthrough and I wanted my character to be an overall good character with sass.

    Yeah, you're right. Now that I think about it, my character wouldn't kill her. And I feel better about that decision.

    Edited:

    In other news, that new gun for Gamestop preorders looks cool.
    However, when it comes to it, let those Council fuckers burn and install a New Human Empire with Udina as the chairman.
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    However, when it comes to it, let those Council fuckers burn and install a New Human Empire with Udina as the chairman.
    Ew. Not Udina, Anderson for sure. Udina reminds me of a worm.
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    Ew. Not Udina, Anderson for sure. Udina reminds me of a worm.
    When you need someone that knows how to eat dirt, do you ask the worm or the dog?
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    When you need someone that knows how to eat dirt, do you ask the worm or the dog?
    Galatic Politics don't rely on eating dirt though, more like shit, and dogs are good at that. Genetically so.
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    Galatic Politics don't rely on eating dirt though, more like shit, and dogs are good at that. Genetically so.
    Anderson is a pushover, though, Udina at least has the spine to stand up for Humanity, even if it sounds ridiculous.

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    I wouldn't imagine anyone better for the position of Chairman of the Human Empire then Udina.

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    I mean, God Damn, read this spineless thing about The Council:

    After their top Spectre agent, Saren Arterius, reported the Alliance's illegal AI research on Sidon, the Council holographically confronted the first human ambassador, Anita Goyle and announced they would impose heavy sanctions on the Alliance with regular reports from personal overseers. Goyle predicted their ulterior motives - intending to curb humanity's rapid growth and expansion - managed to negotiate a better deal with a passionate speech about humanity's growth as a species.
    Fuck them to hell, I CHEERED when the Destiny Ascension was destroyed, I praised every Geth missile that struck its hull.
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    Anderson is a pushover, though, Udina at least has the spine to stand up for Humanity, even if it sounds ridiculous.

    Edited:

    I wouldn't imagine anyone better for the position of Chairman of the Human Empire then Udina.

    Edited:

    I mean, God Damn, read this spineless thing about The Council:



    Fuck them to hell, I CHEERED when the Destiny Ascension was destroyed, I praised every Geth missile that struck its hull.
    I love Udina's stick up the ass attitude.
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    Anderson is a pushover, though, Udina at least has the spine to stand up for Humanity, even if it sounds ridiculous.

    Edited:

    I wouldn't imagine anyone better for the position of Chairman of the Human Empire then Udina.

    Edited:

    I mean, God Damn, read this spineless thing about The Council:



    Fuck them to hell, I CHEERED when the Destiny Ascension was destroyed, I praised every Geth missile that struck its hull.
    but anderson has the spine to punch udina in the face
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  12. Post #52
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    I love Udina's stick up the ass attitude.
    Someone has to have the stick up their ass, otherwise your opponents are just going to beat you with it.

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    but anderson has the spine to punch udina in the face
    EVERYONE wants to punch Udina in the face, that's like saying you are surprised someone wanted to fuck the hot blonde at that Frat party.
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  13. Post #53
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    Well, I just know when I load up Mass Effect 2, I'm gonna be seeing Anderson in the council. Why? because Keith David is his goddamn voice actor. I haven't heard enough of him in Modern Warfare 2.
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    Well, I just know when I load up Mass Effect 2, I'm gonna be seeing Anderson in the council. Why? because Keith David is his goddamn voice actor. I haven't heard enough of him in Modern Warfare 2.
    Where is the list of Voice Actors in Mass Effect 2? I want to see if Udina is on it.
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  15. Post #55
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    I saved the council because letting them die and reinstalling a Human Empire would have all the other races hate the Humans because you would be hording all the power and eventually being an oppressor, Star Wars style.

    However, saving the council and having Anderson as the council member would give the council a positive look on Humanity for saving them and having Anderson be a strong leader so that Humanity would be a healthy part of of the galaxy.


    Udina would be a tyrant for his own gain, he doesn't care about Humanity, he cares only for himself. He uses the scapegoat of working for humanity but he really just wants power for himself.
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    Where is the list of Voice Actors in Mass Effect 2? I want to see if Udina is on it.
    There was a video showcasing the 'celebrity" talent it was going to have, no list though.
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    I saved the council because letting them die and reinstalling a Human Empire would have all the other races hate the Humans because you would be hording all the power and eventually being an oppressor, Star Wars style.

    However, saving the council and having Anderson as the council member would give the council a positive look on Humanity for saving them and having Anderson be a strong leader so that Humanity would be a healthy part of of the galaxy.


    Udina would be a tyrant for his own gain, he doesn't care about Humanity, he cares only for himself. He uses the scapegoat of working for humanity but he really just wants power for himself.
    You don't technically start a Human Empire, rather, you simply create an all human council. Furthermore, the other races won't really see you as evil, since, as Udina and Anderson explained if you chose the Renegade Non-Council route, "The other races have never faced something like this before, they don't know what to do, we won't need to bring them in line through force because they'll look up to Humanity, since we are the only ones who have shown they have the ability to face this threat."

    Also, why should Humanity become yet another portrait on the face of the Galaxy, why don't you want Humanity to be the centerpiece? Anderson and saving the Council makes Humanity devolve into yet another one of the endless tides of races, indistinguishable besides some ancestral traditions (since the Asari culture, like with every other race in the Council, will take over ours) and holdovers from when we used to be independent, a multi-race council is stagnation, and an injection of 100% Humanity is the cure.

    I'm willing to do whatever is necessary to make Humanity the dominant force in the galaxy, if that means I have to glass the Turian Homeworld, I'll only ask where are it's coordinates. That is why I want to work with Cerberus so bad, I won't see it as blackmail, I'll see it as an opportunity to do what I couldn't do as a Spectre; highly illegal activities to aid in helping Humanity.

    After all, when have the Council Races ever helped us? Every time we asked for aid they turned us down, our only REAL dealings with them is when they are dragging their feet to give us scraps. Hell, the only reason they give Humanity a Council seat in the paragon ending is, I don't know, Humanity having a massive fleet over their heads?
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  18. Post #58
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    You don't technically start a Human Empire, rather, you simply create an all human council. Furthermore, the other races won't really see you as evil, since, as Udina and Anderson explained if you chose the Renegade Non-Council route, "The other races have never faced something like this before, they don't know what to do, we won't need to bring them in line through force because they'll look up to Humanity, since we are the only ones who have shown they have the ability to face this threat."

    Also, why should Humanity become yet another portrait on the face of the Galaxy, why don't you want Humanity to be the centerpiece? Anderson and saving the Council makes Humanity devolve into yet another one of the endless tides of races, indistinguishable besides some ancestral traditions (since the Asari culture, like with every other race in the Council, will take over ours) and holdovers from when we used to be independent.

    I'm willing to do whatever is necessary to make Humanity the dominant force in the galaxy, if that means I have to glass the Turian Homeworld, I'll only ask where are it's coordinates. That is why I want to work with Cerberus so bad, I won't see it as blackmail, I'll see it as an opportunity to do what I couldn't do as a Spectre; highly illegal activities to aid in helping Humanity.

    After all, when have the Council Races ever helped us?
    But humanity is just another race, and just a more greedy, and possibly corrupted race than the others. I killed the council too, but the humans should work with everyone else. We haven't faced anything like this either.
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    But humanity is just another race, and just a more greedy, and possibly corrupted race than the others. I killed the council too, but the humans should work with everyone else. We haven't faced anything like this either.
    But we understand sacrifice, it's what makes us stronger then the others.
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    Wrex should've bee in the council... if he were alive still :(
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    Wrex should've bee in the council... if he were alive still :(
    He is alive?
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    I never noticed how fun combat is in ME until recently.

    Playing as an Engi with the shotgun talent.
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  25. Post #65
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    You killed him?!
    Ashley used her tit magic to make me shoot him I swear I'm innocent!

    Edited:

    "So it occurs to me this might be our last night alive; got any plans?"
    "Trying a frontal assault?-"
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  26. Post #66
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    Ashley used her tit magic to make me shoot him I swear I'm innocent!
    You could've gone and gotten Wrex's ancestral armor.
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  27. Post #67
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    As you could see from the video, my intimidate or charm wasn't high enough to select those options.
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    As you could see from the video, my intimidate or charm wasn't high enough to select those options.
    Doesn't matter, you could've gotten his armor and it's an automatic "I wuv you."
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    As you could see from the video, my intimidate or charm wasn't high enough to select those options.
    Good thing I put a lot of points into charm on my first playthrough.
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  30. Post #70
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    Doesn't matter, you could've gotten his armor and it's an automatic "I wuv you."
    he was a big stupid frog monster anyway

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    Good thing I put a lot of points into charm on my first playthrough.
    me too, on my first xbox playthrough

    pc was a fresh start

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    Put everything into shotgun and warp
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  31. Post #71
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    You don't technically start a Human Empire, rather, you simply create an all human council. Furthermore, the other races won't really see you as evil, since, as Udina and Anderson explained if you chose the Renegade Non-Council route, "The other races have never faced something like this before, they don't know what to do, we won't need to bring them in line through force because they'll look up to Humanity, since we are the only ones who have shown they have the ability to face this threat."

    Also, why should Humanity become yet another portrait on the face of the Galaxy, why don't you want Humanity to be the centerpiece? Anderson and saving the Council makes Humanity devolve into yet another one of the endless tides of races, indistinguishable besides some ancestral traditions (since the Asari culture, like with every other race in the Council, will take over ours) and holdovers from when we used to be independent, a multi-race council is stagnation, and an injection of 100% Humanity is the cure.

    I'm willing to do whatever is necessary to make Humanity the dominant force in the galaxy, if that means I have to glass the Turian Homeworld, I'll only ask where are it's coordinates. That is why I want to work with Cerberus so bad, I won't see it as blackmail, I'll see it as an opportunity to do what I couldn't do as a Spectre; highly illegal activities to aid in helping Humanity.

    After all, when have the Council Races ever helped us? Every time we asked for aid they turned us down, our only REAL dealings with them is when they are dragging their feet to give us scraps. Hell, the only reason they give Humanity a Council seat in the paragon ending is, I don't know, Humanity having a massive fleet over their heads?
    What you fail to grasp is that Humanity aren't the Holy Space Marines in shining armor that you make them out to be. Humans are corrupt and savage in nature, you know about the 40k universe, Humanity massacres and oppresses it's own citizens in the name of a governing power.

    If an all human council is formed, then it will corrupt itself and turn into the Imperium or the Galactic Empire. Yes, Humans should be a powerful part of the Council, but not the governing aspect of it.

    Now that you say that Humanity's culture is at stake from this, I think that yes, Humanity should be the centerpiece but not an oppressive one.
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    What you fail to grasp is that Humanity aren't the Holy Space Marines in shining armor that you make them out to be. Humans are corrupt and savage in nature, you know about the 40k universe, Humanity massacres and oppresses it's own citizens in the name of a governing power.

    If an all human council is formed, then it will corrupt itself and turn into the Imperium or the Galactic Empire. Yes, Humans should be a powerful part of the Council, but not the governing aspect of it.

    Now that you say that Humanity's culture is at stake from this, I think that yes, Humanity should be the centerpiece but not an oppressive one.
    And how do we make it the centerpiece with the Asari and Turians in the way? I can see that killing the council to go after Sovereign, then saying we need to reform the council with Humanity in a leading role COULD work, but I'd rather have an oppressive Human government then one that has to play nice with aliens.

    Of course, I am speaking about this from Space Marine Shepherd's perspective (since I have to keep in this mindset since I'll be using him for ME2) so see why I am basically emulating the Imperium of Man?
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    What you fail to grasp is that Humanity aren't the Holy Space Marines in shining armor that you make them out to be. Humans are corrupt and savage in nature, you know about the 40k universe, Humanity massacres and oppresses it's own citizens in the name of a governing power.

    If an all human council is formed, then it will corrupt itself and turn into the Imperium or the Galactic Empire. Yes, Humans should be a powerful part of the Council, but not the governing aspect of it.

    Now that you say that Humanity's culture is at stake from this, I think that yes, Humanity should be the centerpiece but not an oppressive one.
    the imperium in mass effect would be pretty bad ass though
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    the imperium in mass effect would be pretty bad ass though
    I'm coming really damn close, I will give you updates when my genocidal rampage in ME2 reaches a head.
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    Where is the list of Voice Actors in Mass Effect 2? I want to see if Udina is on it.
    Mass Effect 2 Cast: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1540125/fullcredits#cast

    (Isn't Bob Stoneman, the Cinematic Designer, Robert Stoneman, the guy who made War of the Servers?)

    Bill Ratner did the voice in ME1... but neither Udina or Ratner are on this list.
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    I didn't make an all human council because that would of just proven we were the selfish and power hungry savages they think we are. The initial shock of "Oh, these guys know what they are doing. We has better let them be in charge." would wear off in less than a generation and we would just be the invading newcomers oppressing the native people. We would have to let other races into the council to avoid a civil war anyway and we would be treated with such hostility that human culture would be a brief stain on history.

    Who cares about human culture anyway? I'll admit that Asari culture is shit and I hate the penis-haired bitches more than any other race but how are we that much superior? We are a two faced people who will preach peace and love one second and fight fiercer than any Krogan the next. Making our culture central is about power and selfishness and we don't need a repution like that if we want to keep spreading.

    Really though, I don't care about the council. They oversee trade between races and can move a few decorative troops around but it is the individual races that are powerful, not the council. Humans took over a huge chunk of the galaxy in less than a century while other races haven't expanded from their homeworlds in over a millenium. Since we have the power to push past the veil and into geth territory and new worlds, it's only a matter of time before we take that land too and control more area than every other race combined. Even if they ask us to join them then, we are still more powerful and we aren't under their control.
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    I'm really enjoying this debate you are all having.

    Humans rule, though.
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    If you preorder the Collector's Edition, do you get both of the unique armours? Both look pretty badass and so does the black hole gun.

    Edit: Also, to Devo, it seems more like humans don't want to fight unless they're forced to, and you best start prayin' to your deity if you piss them off. Them and the Turians would've exterminated each other due to the rising tension, and this one recalls one of them even admitting that an angry human is a dangerous one.
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    Mass Effect 2 Cast: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1540125/fullcredits#cast

    (Isn't Bob Stoneman, the Cinematic Designer, Robert Stoneman, the guy who made War of the Servers
    Yeah, he said he got a job at Bioware.

    That's why LitFuse Films hasn't been active in awhile; they lost all their best guys.
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    I didn't make an all human council because that would of just proven we were the selfish and power hungry savages they think we are. The initial shock of "Oh, these guys know what they are doing. We has better let them be in charge." would wear off in less than a generation and we would just be the invading newcomers oppressing the native people. We would have to let other races into the council to avoid a civil war anyway and we would be treated with such hostility that human culture would be a brief stain on history.

    Who cares about human culture anyway? I'll admit that Asari culture is shit and I hate the penis-haired bitches more than any other race but how are we that much superior? We are a two faced people who will preach peace and love one second and fight fiercer than any Krogan the next. Making our culture central is about power and selfishness and we don't need a repution like that if we want to keep spreading.

    Really though, I don't care about the council. They oversee trade between races and can move a few decorative troops around but it is the individual races that are powerful, not the council. Humans took over a huge chunk of the galaxy in less than a century while other races haven't expanded from their homeworlds in over a millenium. Since we have the power to push past the veil and into geth territory and new worlds, it's only a matter of time before we take that land too and control more area than every other race combined. Even if they ask us to join them then, we are still more powerful and we aren't under their control.
    The Council to everyone but Humanity is their SINGLE form of Government, that is what is heavily implied based on its usage and importance. Us controlling it means we control every other race.
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