1. Post #1761
    Mooman's Avatar
    November 2009
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    I agree with the guy that ealier posted nolan should do a time travel movie. Also my dad had a theory that Saito was actually part of fischer's company, perhaps one of the higher-ups who would own part if it was split up. Because he never says the name of his company.
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  2. Post #1762
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    I agree with the guy that ealier posted nolan should do a time travel movie. Also my dad had a theory that Saito was actually part of fischer's company, perhaps one of the higher-ups who would own part if it was split up. Because he never says the name of his company.
    If he is than that's a huge plot hole as Fischer would have had to have recognized him when they were in the dreams together.

  3. Post #1763
    Finally saw this and it is awesome.

  4. Post #1764
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    October 2007
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    If you watched the film please read

       If Cobb wasn't dreaming that means everything ended up good, except for the fact that his wife died.

    But, if Cobb WAS indeed dreaming, that means that his wife was right and she's alright, although he is a complete moron and is still stuck in limbo. OR, it could mean that Mal maybe didn't even exist, and the movie was just a very weird dream he had. 
      

  5. Post #1765
    "We should allow child labor overseas ...the sweatshop is what is saving the 9 year old worker"
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    If you watched the film please read

       If Cobb wasn't dreaming that means everything ended up good, except for the fact that his wife died.

    But, if Cobb WAS indeed dreaming, that means that his wife was right and she's alright, although he is a complete moron and is still stuck in limbo. OR, it could mean that Mal maybe didn't even exist, and the movie was just a very weird dream he had. 
      
    I don't believe the whole    Mal was right    is anything legitimate. I'll requote one of my ealier posts.

       Mal really did kill herself though. The basis in the movie for telling what is real and what is the totem and if it spins or not. In the scene where he calls home he spins it and it falls, and he gets on the phone with his daughter or something and it gets explained that he can't go there and such which makes it pretty concrete that Mal is dead. Now in the scene where Mal kills herself it is probably intended for the audience to think "what if Mal is right" but that is there more to make you think and question your own reality. What that scene is primarily for though is to demonstrate one of the first real lines in the movie, that an idea is a resilient virus.   

  6. Post #1766
    Maybe in some layers of the dream the totem falls as well

  7. Post #1767
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    did anybody else notice Yusuf flipping off the guys chasing him before he    drove off the bridge?   

    I don't think I imagined it..
    Yeah he did.

    Edited:

    Is it just me, or is there no point to this movie?

    The only point I can see for it is that it plants an idea in your head. All I know now is that I want to learn how to lucid dream.
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  8. Post #1768
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    All I know now is that I want to learn how to lucid dream.
    It's a whole other experience, because the movie isn't exactly at touch with the accuracy of lucid dreaming.
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  9. Post #1769
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    I just saw this. Im probably gonna be still thinking about it in a week. Awesome. And one of the few pieces of art that earn the title "thought-inspiring".

    And actually, lucid dreaming instantly sounds awesome, i wanna curve down cities.

  10. Post #1770
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    Best film I've ever seen. Period.
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  11. Post #1771
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    I didnt see any oscar winning performances so definitely not the best movie ever

    EDIT:

    FOR ME..... although EACH OF THE THREE TIMES THAT I WATCHED IT. It was one INCREDIBLE experience.
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  12. Post #1772
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    I didint see any oscar winning performances so definitely not the best movie ever
    the acting was brilliant

    the actual movie was what made it so good
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  13. Post #1773
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    the acting was brilliant

    the actual movie was what made it so good
    My thoughts exactly

  14. Post #1774
    "We should allow child labor overseas ...the sweatshop is what is saving the 9 year old worker"
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    Is it just me, or is there no point to this movie?

    The only point I can see for it is that it plants an idea in your head. All I know now is that I want to learn how to lucid dream.
    Message is a bit similar to the matrix. How do you know you aren't dreaming? I know a lot of times I dream I don't recognize I'm dreaming, everything seems real no matter how unreal it is. Really, how do you know what is real and what isn't?

  15. Post #1775
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    Message is a bit similar to the matrix. How do you know you aren't dreaming? I know a lot of times I dream I don't recognize I'm dreaming, everything seems real no matter how unreal it is. Really, how do you know what is real and what isn't?
    Yes, that's what I was saying.

  16. Post #1776
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    the acting was brilliant

    the actual movie was what made it so good
    Was i truly moved by Cobb's character or affection for others in Caprio's performance? I would say no.

    The performances were great but the flow and style of the movie did it for me. Very well scripted to.

    But it ain't no Marlon Brando in The Godfather, mind!!!
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  17. Post #1777
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    October 2009
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    Alright I just saw it and only have one question.     What did Fisher's father mean by "I'm disappointed that you tried"?   

  18. Post #1778
    Ignhelper's Avatar
    November 2009
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    So, anyone here able to decide what dreams to get in your sleep when you sleep?

  19. Post #1779
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    Alright I just saw it and only have one question.     What did Fisher's father mean by "I'm disappointed that you tried"?   
    Fischer said    "I know, you are disappointed because I couldn't be like you", and his Dad's response was "No, I am disappointed that you tried." As in, he was disappointed that he tried to become like his father. His father didn't want him to become an old man, filled with regret, waiting to die alone. Of course, all of this was just projections and whatnot but it makes sense in the sense that they were trying to split up his father's company.   
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  20. Post #1780
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    May be late on this but
       when cobb woke up it was 20 minutes to landing time Wouldnt the dream of only taken Lets say 10 minutes real time?   

  21. Post #1781
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    May be late on this but
       when cobb woke up it was 20 minutes to landing time Wouldnt the dream of only taken Lets say 10 minutes real time?   
    The flight was 10 hours long, so they spent about 9 hours and 30 minutes.

    Edited:

    So, anyone here able to decide what dreams to get in your sleep when you sleep?
    Its not about being able to decide what to dream, but being able to manipulate the dream you're currently dreaming, if you refer to lucid dreaming.

  22. Post #1782
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    July 2009
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    I saw this film yesterday. :iia:

       But at the end, was cobb dreaming? The totem shook, but didn't fall. Maybe he fell deeper than limbo into what seemed to be his own reality?   

  23. Post #1783
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    I saw this film yesterday. :iia:

       But at the end, was cobb dreaming? The totem shook, but didn't fall. Maybe he fell deeper than limbo into what seemed to be his own reality?   
       The totem totally fell. It makes no sense for it not to have.   

  24. Post #1784
    Ah yes "opinions"
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    In a related note, here's the worst review for inception I could find:

    http://www.observer.com/2010/culture...n-inception-me

    2.5/10... wow... and it's mainly because he doesn't like Christopher Nolan, and didn't understand it.
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  25. Post #1785
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    In a related note, here's the worst review for inception I could find:

    http://www.observer.com/2010/culture...n-inception-me

    2.5/10... wow... and it's mainly because he doesn't like Christopher Nolan, and didn't understand it.
    Good example for people who are too dumb to even understand the movie.
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  26. Post #1786
    Roll a d100, 99? Deary me...
    cyclocius's Avatar
    January 2009
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    Going to see this tonight, looking foreward to it, and that observer reviewer is an idiot.

  27. Post #1787
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       The totem totally fell. It makes no sense for it not to have.   
        It didn't fall? It wobbled a bit but was still spinning...    

  28. Post #1788
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        It didn't fall? It wobbled a bit but was still spinning...    
    In my personal opinion    it was going to topple over, BUT they ended it because they wanted to symbolize him being in limbo, where he was still asleep, and Mal had woken up already. Cobb never had that totem in the real world {remember, his "real world" is a dream), Mal had it. And then Cobb started using it. The problem is, we never saw the top spinning at all in the 'real world' until Mal died. All we saw was Mal holding it and whatnot. So after she died, Cobb had started carrying the totem around, but the problem is, if this is a dream, then he's never actually held the totem in his hands and felt it in the real world. So he just expects it to fall over, because that's what he saw in the real world. So if Mal had spun the totem in Limbo while Cobb was not looking, it wouldn't topple over. But after she killed herself and woke up, Cobb started using it. Cobb thought that his world was the real world (remember he's in limbo), so he expected it to fall over, even though he never actually held it in the real world.   

    Am I making any sense at all?

  29. Post #1789
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        I personally believe that the whole point of the top wobbling, but us not getting to see the fall/continued spinning is that, in the end, Cobb discarded any question about his reality and simply chose this one to be his, regardless of if it is or not. That seemed to be a reoccuring theme in the movie.
    After all, they destroyed Fischer's relationship with Browning to (as a by-line to their goals) make his relationship with his then deceased father all the more important. Fischer's reality was, effectively, completely destroyed and reformed and instead of one based on rejection, it was the catharsis of reconciliation after deception.
    Hell, the whole point of limbo (the inability to escape atleast) was that when you went in, you simply had no idea that you had been asleep or any way of convincing yourself that you were asleep (save the special property of totems), so you had to take the "9mm kick" out. Mal was "trapped" in her belief that limbo had never stopped because Cobb had defiled her totem/tricked her mind to convince her that limbo hadn't been real, leading her to question the properties of the world she was then in. She had seen limbo as inescapable and denied there was any higher more "real" reality until a fundamental part of her subconcious had to reconcile the situation.
    Likewise, Saito had built his own limbo around himself, and only the impossibility of a seemingly ageless Cobb and his magic top had convinced him he had been dreaming all along. Ariadne (god damn I can't spell her name) by either being escorted by Cobb who had seemingly mastered the mental barrier of Limbo space, or by way of the least noticed plothole I've yet seen, simply ignored this stricture of limbo and was able to kick back up a level by an apropriately quick and painful splat. Another theory may be that she was the only character who was effectively and constantly rejecting the reality offered to her, which is part of why she was the perfect, or most capable, architect.
    Then of course, there's Yusef and the dreamer's cellar, the old man who chided them about the basis of subjective reality, and the entire bit about faceless corporate entities chasing Cobb, much like a subconcious chasing an interloper, but I can't be fucked to keep writing.

    Of course, all of this can effectively go out of the window when you count in the clues of the wedding ring, the subtle top drop heard after credits and the diffrentiated children's clothes. By the same token however, it can also be a sign that Cobb, in accepting his reality regardless of its realness, has perfected that world to the point it simply is real, atleast to him. Either way

    tl;dr Inception was about the power of perception.  
      

    Spoiled for the decency of I can't be assed to know what does and doesn't constitute "Oh gawd DAT HAPPENED?!"

  30. Post #1790
    Ignhelper's Avatar
    November 2009
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    Where can I get the official totem? No ebay crap please. Do they still sell it?

  31. Post #1791
    Namo's Avatar
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    Where can I get the official totem? No ebay crap please. Do they still sell it?
    No. Go away please. People with the default avatars don't need them.

    But in all seriousness, no, I'm pretty sure it was designed for the movie.

  32. Post #1792
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    I watched this yesterday. :iia:

    Edited:

    I saw this film yesterday. :iia:

       But at the end, was cobb dreaming? The totem shook, but didn't fall. Maybe he fell deeper than limbo into what seemed to be his own reality?   
       I think the moment they cut it off was genius, so that you can draw your own conclusion. It probably did fall, but I like to think that it didn't but he was so happy that he finally saw the kids that he forgot/didn't care about the totem and whether he was dreaming or not.   

  33. Post #1793
    Ignhelper's Avatar
    November 2009
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    No. Go away please. People with the default avatars don't need them.

    But in all seriousness, no, I'm pretty sure it was designed for the movie.
    No. Some people had the totems. On youtube and ebay. But so crazy ass is selling it for 200 bucks.

  34. Post #1794
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    No. Some people had the totems. On youtube and ebay. But so crazy ass is selling it for 200 bucks.
    My point is that the tops probably didn't exist before the movie was made. I'm getting one through Ebay.

  35. Post #1795
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    What would you even do with the totem anyway

  36. Post #1796
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    July 2009
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    I watched this yesterday. :iia:

    Edited:



       I think the moment they cut it off was genius, so that you can draw your own conclusion. It probably did fall, but I like to think that it didn't but he was so happy that he finally saw the kids that he forgot/didn't care about the totem and whether he was dreaming or not.   
       I agree, the ending was fantastic. My friend was like "WHAT I WANT TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENS!!" But she is a woman."   

  37. Post #1797
    Namo's Avatar
    September 2009
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    But she is a woman.
    :geno:

    Edited:

    What would you even do with the totem anyway
    Carry it around. Just because I can. :smug:

  38. Post #1798
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    January 2009
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    Perception?

    Wow, another great title for sequel!!

    Interception, Intussusseption are also good
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  39. Post #1799
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    An intestine... within an intestine? Two levels?

    No... three.

  40. Post #1800
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    Perception?

    Wow, another great title for sequel!!

    Interception, Intussusseption are also good
    Contraception :smug:
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