1. Post #121
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    April 2009
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    Jullian Assange is not wikileaks. This is a common mistake people seem to be making in these threads lately, people seem to think that is Wikileaks and there is no one else involved.
    He is just a co-founder / spokesperson. Holding him responsible is the same as say blaming the CEO (or even spokesperson) of a company for something it does. Or holding the president of a country personally responsible for something it's army does.
    Wikileaks is not some "corporation" which one of its workers did wrong. The main purpose of Wikileaks is to leak classified documents. Assange is the one who put himself into public eye and is in charge of the many actions that took place.

  2. Post #122
    i<3apple's Avatar
    March 2010
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    Remember, No Secrets.

  3. Post #123
    Jsm
    "Belgium is pretty much a non-country"
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    Wikileaks is not some "corporation" which one of its workers did wrong. The main purpose of Wikileaks is to leak classified documents. Assange is the one who put himself into public eye and is in charge of the many actions that took place.
    That doesn't mean he can be personally blamed. Wikileaks / The Sunshine Press is a legal entity in its self which leaks stuff, not individual people leaking. It is no different to a news paper publishing leaks, and no one has ever suggested the editors of news papers should be arrested or assassinated for doing such things.

  4. Post #124

    July 2010
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    The public deserves to know the truth!

  5. Post #125
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    And usually break international law in the process.

    Although this is starting to get very off topic, and it is true the US does assist most of the world when shit goes wrong.
    We don't come into a country if it doesn't want us. Usually when the government cannot function under the current circumstances. is when we call ourselves in for the better good.

  6. Post #126
    Jsm
    "Belgium is pretty much a non-country"
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    We don't come into a country if it doesn't want us. Usually when the government cannot function under the current circumstances. is when we call ourselves in for the better good.
    I'm quite sure Iraq didn't want you. Although thats more of an invasion than trying to police the world (even if it is technically a "police action").

  7. Post #127
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    July 2009
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    Oh that happens every thread. It could be a thread about kittens and it would happen.

    What's funny is that I don't actually like our own federal government much at all. I think they are corrupt assholes. But everyone takes their hatred of the US to such great lengths that I have to step in and point out that they are being ridiculous.
    Cause probally they are all british people thinking they are better.
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  8. Post #128
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    I wouldn't be surprised if he winds up dead sometime in the next few years.

  9. Post #129
    Jsm
    "Belgium is pretty much a non-country"
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    I wouldn't be surprised if he winds up dead sometime in the next few years.
    I don't think its quite that easy to kill a public figure.

  10. Post #130
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    I'm quite sure Iraq didn't want you. Although thats more of an invasion than trying to police the world (even if it is technically a "police action").
    Going into Iraq to free the citizens from oppression is policing.

    Edited:

    I don't think its quite that easy to kill a public figure.
    He wouldn't be killed in the public eye, he would just disappear and the public would soon forget about him.

  11. Post #131
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    Because I care more about a thousand Afghani families than about one autistic Swedish guy?
    Who haven't and probably will never be harmed.
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  12. Post #132
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    Who haven't and probably will never be harmed.
    Putting families in the threat of danger is crossing the line, harmed or not.
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  13. Post #133
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    October 2008
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    wikileak is just using the free speech bs as an excuse to troll the us military. Personally, I'd love to see the snob creator of that site get taken care of CIA black-ops style.
    This is not call of duty, it won't happen.

    Edited:

    Cause probally they are all british people thinking they are better.

  14. Post #134
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    This is not call of duty, it won't happen.
    The CIA doesn't even assassinate anyone. Leave that to Delta.

  15. Post #135
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    We don't come into a country if it doesn't want us.
    lol

    also itt we assume that assange is the driving force of wikileaks and everything is his fault

  16. Post #136
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    January 2009
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    Seeing as he's censored all the names in this batch, they're only bitching just to cover up their war crimes.
    This.

    Edited:

    We don't come into a country if it doesn't want us.
    I lol'd.

    I can give you a huge list of countries that major powers like US, UK, Russia, etc. have gone into where they weren't wanted. Here's a few:

    US: Iraq, Afghanistan, some parts of Africa, Japan, Hawaii (when Hawaii was independent), every Native American country.

    UK: India Kingdoms (like the Marathan Empire), Zulu Kingdom, Afghanistan, Australia, New Zealand.

    Russia: Afghanistan, Dagestan, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Romania, Poland, Ukraine.



    You see, major powers like those three aren't affected by other non-major nations' requests or orders. It's basically like "We've got a shitload of power, you don't. Just try and stop us".
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  17. Post #137
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    That doesn't mean he can be personally blamed. Wikileaks / The Sunshine Press is a legal entity in its self which leaks stuff, not individual people leaking. It is no different to a news paper publishing leaks, and no one has ever suggested the editors of news papers should be arrested or assassinated for doing such things.
    The editors of newspapers don't publish the names of anonymous informants, because A) they run legitimate businesses and don't want to go to jail, B) want to cultivate a relationship with the police/military, and C) have a sense of ethics.
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  18. Post #138
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    January 2010
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    Okay, I'm switching sides. Ban him again, Garry.

    Mods shouldn't advocate murder and you are better than that.



    The names were expunged, that's why there was a delay, this isn't news
    What do you mean Garry ban him again? Hezzy banned him.
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  19. Post #139
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    I don't really understand this argument about "they didn't have the manpower to censor all of the names in the documents"... If you don't have the ability to censor them properly, don't publish them. No one needs to die, wound or feel threatened because of your laziness and negligence.
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  20. Post #140
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    I don't really understand this argument about "they didn't have the manpower to censor all of the names in the documents"... If you don't have the ability to censor them properly, don't publish them. No one needs to die, wound or feel threatened because of your laziness and negligence.
    They did censor them.

    Edited:

    What do you mean Garry ban him again? Hezzy banned him.
    No garry did.

  21. Post #141
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    Dennab
    December 2007
    3,224 Posts
    The site is about leaking uncensored documents, did you guys really think they would go against their values?

    If they do/did, they are just undermining their integrity and going against the point of the site.
    If they don't, they're a bunch of senseless assholes.

    Either way they lose.

  22. Post #142
    ohadje's Avatar
    July 2010
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    I can't see the importance of the names of Afghani informers.

  23. Post #143
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    Wasn't it just last week you were all sucking his dick and calling him a great man?
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  24. Post #144
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    Wasn't it just last week you were all sucking his dick and calling him a great man?
    Welcome to the U.S Manipulative Media.
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  25. Post #145
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    They did censor them.
    Amnesty international seems to think otherwise.

  26. Post #146
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    March 2007
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    I support assange. If you condone what they (USA) do, it's your problem.
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  27. Post #147
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    I support assange. If you condone what they (USA) do, it's your problem.
    We can make it Assange's problem :smug:
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  28. Post #148
    lol reading comprehension

    I'm blaming the US government for not cooperating to reduce the damage these documents could inflict. They were going to be released either way. Apparently the US thought their bullying tactics would work--they didn't, and now their refusal to cooperate and remove important names from the documents has resulted in a shitstorm ... because the U.S. government, NATO, and whoever else refused to ensure the safety of the contents.

    (As you can see, I am not blaming the US government for the release itself, since it was happening under their supervision or not.)
    If they weren't sure that all the names were deleted then they should have delayed the release. It's like a risk assessment.

  29. Post #149
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    October 2007
    1,251 Posts
    Wikileaks is not some "corporation" which one of its workers did wrong. The main purpose of Wikileaks is to leak classified documents. Assange is the one who put himself into public eye and is in charge of the many actions that took place.
    that's not wikileaks main purpose. they take whatever information they get. people give them information and they publish it. it's not like they go "HEY GIVE US CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS"

    Edited:

    We don't come into a country if it doesn't want us. Usually when the government cannot function under the current circumstances. is when we call ourselves in for the better good.
    which is probably illegal.

    and we shouldn't be going into other country's businesses, what gives us the right to act as world police?

    Edited:

    Going into Iraq to free the citizens from oppression is policing.

    Edited:



    He wouldn't be killed in the public eye, he would just disappear and the public would soon forget about him.
    uh no iraq was an invasion are you ignorant.

  30. Post #150
    I lol'd.

    I can give you a huge list of countries that major powers like US, UK, Russia, etc. have gone into where they weren't wanted. Here's a few:

    US: Iraq, Afghanistan, some parts of Africa, Japan, Hawaii (when Hawaii was independent), every Native American country.

    UK: India Kingdoms (like the Marathan Empire), Zulu Kingdom, Afghanistan, Australia, New Zealand.

    Russia: Afghanistan, Dagestan, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Romania, Poland, Ukraine.
    Hey don't forget the Italians they invaded like all of Europe.

    Edited:

    And northern Africa.

    Edited:

    And Asia as well. What pricks!

  31. Post #151
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    January 2005
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    and we shouldn't be going into other country's businesses, what gives us the right to act as world police?
    Same thing that enables the real police to intervene, threat of force.

  32. Post #152
    JDK721v2's Avatar
    April 2009
    1,451 Posts
    Okay, I'm switching sides. Kill him, CIA.
    what the fuck are you doing
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  33. Post #153
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    July 2005
    460 Posts
    what the fuck are you doing
    He's switching sides. :colbert:

  34. Post #154
    Starpluck? More like StarFUCK!!
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    Amnesty international seems to think otherwise.
    What's your point?

  35. Post #155
    JDK721v2's Avatar
    April 2009
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    why am I not surprised that gunfurry is in here being a military apologist

    "arrest him" etc.

    you want him arrested for exposing war crimes? they're REDACTING all the names as previously mentioned. the media is just trying to divert attention from the real reason that people don't want the documents exposed: because they show that the war is a failure and that there have been numerous war crimes that have continually been covered up

    (User was banned for this post ("Flaming" - GunFox))
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  36. Post #156
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    Because the American media totally supports the war.

  37. Post #157
    JDK721v2's Avatar
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    Because the American media totally supports the war.
    because the media is going to make their own country look terrible
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  38. Post #158
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    January 2005
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    What's your point?
    Between them and you, I'm inclined to believe them.

    Edited:

    because the media is going to make their own country look terrible
    The source in the OP isn't American.

    And news is a business. For all its flaws, it's not state-run, and it's not a conspiracy.

  39. Post #159
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    July 2010
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    because the media is going to make their own country look terrible
    Why not?

  40. Post #160
    Starpluck? More like StarFUCK!!
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    Between them and you, I'm inclined to believe them.
    Hahaha.

    The WHOLE purpose of the delay was to censor the names. What should be newsworthy is the fact that they're going to censor the names. CNN barley mentioned that they were going censored at least.

    To deny this fact is absurd. It's known that they are being censored and it was a very expensive operation.

    Keep eating what the US media tells you or start thinking for yourself.