They knew the risks when they sexually assaulted her, right?
They should be happy they're not getting the dick in prison.
Why do we always pit rape as the fault of a woman, even in a subconscious sense? Everyone will say what the man/men did was wrong, immoral, illegal, etc., but as many people will be so quick to turn around and still say "Oh, but she shouldn't have been wearing a skirt, or drinking, or been there, or so-and-so, or acted that way.", all tongue in cheek. It's pathetic.
This is not a women's rights issue nor a free speech issue. If you learned about the court system and how it works you would understand that she was not allowed to release their names, because courts do that to ensure that the prosecuted lives aren't ruined even if they're guilty or not. Them not getting a job when they're 50 is not fair punishment for a drunken horrible mistake they made in their teens. This could affect their futures, and hers too. She's going to go to jail now for contempt, a charge that she fully deserves. While they should be punished, she broke the rules and should be too.
A drunken, horrible mistake would be getting someone pregnant or something, Rape is far worse than that.
And I suppose its fair on her to have to live with what the did to her. If they were adults, they'd have probably been named anyway. Frankly, naming convicted rapists (they were found guilty, they're awaiting sentencing) is a fucking public service.
Like that one guy who drowned because the family was too stuck-up to return the favor, this kind of shit is the reason things like this go unreported.
She's cute :$
Along with this what does a light sentence teach them? That even if they get caught with rape they can still worm their way out of it scot free?
That girl looks a lot like one of the people I have in my friends list.
I've yet to get into contact with the person that's on my friends list, but I hope to god it's just a coincidence and it isn't really her.
Because the girl in the picture in the OP and the one on my friends list are pretty much exact duplicates.
Once I marry a pretty girl I'm presumably going to have kids with her, which will presumably have a 50/50 chance of being female. If I do have a female child, chances are it will grow into a female teenager. Once that happens, I'll probably show her how to responsibly use alcohol, but at the same time I will teach her that she should not get drunk to the point of losing consciousness, for reasons such as this. There's fucking nothing wrong with that.
If the child is a boy (and indeed if the child is a girl) I will tell them that getting excessively drunk will cause you to do shit you'll regret. Because yes, boys do need to be taught that rape isn't good. But at the same time, rape happens, so it is in my best interest to tell my daughter how to avoid it.
The issue I raise is that, despite women being a victim of a crime that shouldn't happen to begin with, we still place blame onto them. This shouldn't happen at all. They're victims. We don't look at murder victims and say "Well shit, he shouldn't have tried catching that bullet with his rib cage, should he? What an idiot, deserved it."
There will always be extenuating circumstances for all crimes where even I might even pause and say "That bitch got raped good." for whatever reason. But that every rape devolves into a paltry debate of shifting blame and priorities is unnecessary.
You can do stupid things that put you at risk of becoming a criminal victim. Being a criminal victim is not a pleasant experience, that does not change the fact that you're dumb for getting into that position.
Anyone who says the rapist is not at fault is a dirtbag. But I still think that I have the right to be critical about someone's decisions that led up to their becoming a victim.
lol my god that is such a terrible strawman! No. In an ideal society there would be no rape, and it's the burden of men to make that happen.
Still, I have no reason not to tell my daughter to avoid situations in which she might get raped. None. Jesus.
If twitter hasnt done anything about the tweets, people should re-tweet them so everyone gets to know the names of the scumbags who did this.
I really hope it doesn't come to her being charged, because, yes, while it is in contempt of court, her naming her attackers isn't going to actually do anythign that changes the case, as they were already found guilty on the charges and are awaiting sentencing and the judge already knows who they are.
I have absolutely no sympathy for rapists
what they do doesn't matter at that point if they are targeted. you are still subtly implying a victim bears some responsibility for what happened. this is not right.
go try telling a woman "well it was pretty stupid of you to get drunk" so fucking what it's a free country you should be able to get shitfaced if you want without fear of becoming the victim of a crime.
What if she did something that was extremely risky and nothing came out of it? Could I then chastise her for doing something really risky, using rape as an example? It wouldn't be awkward if she wasn't raped. Your argument is essentially relying upon the inherent unpleasantness of telling someone that what they did was dumb, without negating that it was dumb.
So what if it's a free country? Rapists and shitheads exist, and I will make preparations for that.
it's an irresponsible action if you don't have someone designated to watch you, but that does not mean you are at fault because you got fucking taken advantage of. if one day i accidentally forgot to lock my car doors and it got stolen, does that mean i am partially to blame? no, you blame the fucking criminal who took the car.
It's a shame that the prosecution didn't consider the victim's wishes when reaching a plea deal. These boys could have served a reasonable sentence, not they're part of a huge public scandal. It's funny that the system's failure has essentially doubled the suffering of both the criminal and the victim.
I don't sympathize with any rapist. I sympathize with you, because you don't seem to understand that despite how comforting and logical it might at first feel not to put any blame on a victim, it just doesn't work out in reality.
What if you hadn't had your car stolen? What if you left your car unlocked by accident and nothing happened? Could I then call you dumb for leaving your car unlocked? To be less vulgar, could I at the very least advise you not to leave your car unlocked in the future? I run the risk of hurting the feelings of someone who did indeed leave their car unlocked and their car was stolen, but that doesn't change anything about whether or not leaving your car unlocked is a dumb thing to do.
If you perform a stupid act that leads to you becoming a victim of a crime, then some definitions would put you as partially to blame for that crime. It sounds mean. It doesn't sound nice. But it's only logical that you should avoid dangerous situations, even if the crimes which might result would be someone else's doing.
If leaving a car unlocked is irresponsible, then I can call you a dumbass for doing so. If your car is actually stolen, you're still a dumbass but it'd be very mean to say it to your face.
If getting drunk off your ass is irresponsible, then I can call you a dumbass for doing so. If you're raped, you're still dumb but it'd be very very very mean to say it.
Whether or not something occurred as partially your fault if you did something dumb which contributed depends entirely on your definition of blame.
if the criminal was not there, the crime would not have happened. it is really that damn simple. the victim should never be blamed for becoming a victim. there is no way to "suggest" what to do without implying that it is partially their fault for what happens to them.
you're even more frightening than i thought.
You're so illogical. I can't chew someone out for leaving their car unlocked? That's the same logic, only a crime of less terrible scale.
So what if someone's individual definition of blame means that a rape victim is at fault partially? It sounds mean, and it is very very mean to say to a rape victim's face. But it's true!
i don't know how i can be anymore clear. if you seriously think a rape victim has any blame at all for being raped i don't know what to say other than see a psychologist.
I had the most dashing argument to bolster my side in this argument, but I forgot it months ago. I know it happened.
I've been in this debate before you know.
I've said it time and again that I would not want to say it to a girl's face, and that I don't want anyone to say it to a girl's face, because it's incredibly mean to do so if she has been raped. But when you circulate your argument around how mean it is, you're fallacious.
I don't give a fuck. I'm right.
You speak as if it is my goal to point out that girls are dumb after they're raped. It's not. That's just a side effect, a solitary condition tacked on to my main purpose.
My main purpose is to say that I am free to tell girls to avoid dangerous situations without being called nasty things. In this way I hope that rape cases can go down more than is possible just by educating the male portion of this country.